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Evangelicals Give Mixed Reactions to Pope's Visit

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Christian Post Reporter
Tue, Apr. 22 2008 08:52 AM ET
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WASHINGTON – Evangelical leaders expressed mixed reactions to Pope Benedict XVI’s first U.S. visit, which ranged from underscoring similar values to highlighting the divide between Catholics and Protestants.

The Rev. Richard Cizik, vice president for governmental affairs of the National Association of Evangelicals, drew attention to similarities between the pope’s view on environmentalism and embryonic stem cell research and the view of some within the evangelical community.

The pope during his U.N. speech last week argued that environmental protection is a moral obligation, and urged global leaders to do more to preserve God’s creation, according to National Geographic News.

“Relating the Gospel of Jesus Christ to questions of science and the doctrine of Creation, for example, as well as to issues such as stems cells, is critical for evangelicals,” NAE’s Cizik reflected to The Christian Post on Saturday.

“Pope Benedict’s statement about ‘rediscovering the authentic image of creation’ are helpful and reflect our own evangelical ‘creation care’ movement’s effort to take responsibility for the world that God created and love,” noted the man who has become the face of the growing green evangelical movement.

Under Benedict, the Vatican became the world’s only sovereign state that is carbon-neutral – meaning that all greenhouse gas emissions from the Holy See are offset with renewable energy or carbon credits. Last summer, solar panels were installed on the roof of the city’s buildings.

As a result of his efforts, Benedict has been dubbed by some as the “green pope.”

Besides Creation Care, Cizik also found commonality with the pope on what he described as a possible “veiled reference” to embryonic stem cell research.

The pope said in his U.N. speech that protecting life on earth should never require a choice to be made between science and ethics, but “rather it is a question of adopting a scientific method that is truly respectful of ethical imperatives,” according to the New York Times.

Cizik said that if the pope’s comment referred to his opposition to embryonic stem cell research – which the Vatican has previously been openly opposed to – then evangelicals “would find agreement with Catholics” on this issue.

Opponents of the research method argue that the human embryo is equal to a human being and the destruction of the embryo to extract the stem cells is equivalent to abortion.

But while Cizik focused on commonalities between evangelicals and Catholics, others chose to remind Americans of the divide between Catholicism and Protestantism during the historic visit of the first pope to visit the White House in nearly 30 years.

Prominent theologian Dr. R. Albert Mohler, Jr., president of The Southern Baptist Theological Seminary, reminded people that the pope is a staunch defender of the doctrines of the Roman Catholic Church, and that it is not likely that evangelical Christians and the Catholic Church will bridge differences.

In particular, Mohler pointed to Benedict’s speech at Regensburg, Germany, in 2006; his baptism of a prominent Muslim convert; and the Vatican’s release of the document reasserting that the Roman Catholic Church is the only true church as examples that the pope is not “primarily concerned with ecumenical relations.”

“The Roman Catholic Church believes that evangelicals are in spiritual danger for obstinately and disobediently excluding ourselves from submission to its universal claims and its papacy,” the well-known theologian wrote.

Meanwhile, he added, “Evangelicals are concerned that Catholics are in spiritual danger for their submission to these very claims.”

“We both understand what is at stake,” Mohler wrote.

Benedict, who ended his U.S. visit Sunday, concluded his six-day trip with a Mass in Yankee Stadium in New York before a crowd of 60,000 people, and a visit to the Ground Zero site.

At Ground Zero, the pope knelt in silent prayer for peace.

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Chris333
  • Sat Apr 26, 2008 11:56 pm
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scitsonga,

Granted. But I do not believe that the Bible is the only piece of evidence for the Christian faith. I believe there are two lines of approaching knowledge of God, both of which are found in Revelation.

1)Objective evidence: This falls in the category of the Bible as attested to by historical/archaeological discoveries, teleological argument, cosmological argument, and perhaps a moral argument (I find it strong, others not so much).

2) Subjective evidence: This would include personal experience of God, answered prayers, miracles, a feeling of completeness and peace, etc. I believe this line of evidence is much more powerful, but it is often limited to only the person who experiences it. I could tell you of different miracles that have happened in my life which attest to the glory and truth of God, but if you cannot see them, then I don't know how much benefit it can be for you (unless you trust me, but I see no reason why you should, as we do not know each other save for sparse conversations here)

Of course, also included in the Subjective evidence would be a personal relationship with God which can often be found in Scriptures, thus the Bible fits under both categories, depending upon how one approaches it.

You say you are agnostic, as I have gathered because you believe the evidence to be lacking in support of either God, or any specific view of God. I would probably be agnostic too, if it were not for my experience with God, if you don't mind, I will pray for you that you can have that affirmation in your life as well and be able to believe.

God Bless,

Chris
Wilderness1
  • Sat Apr 26, 2008 6:39 pm
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THE CATHOLIC CHURCH is a Visible Church --a society existing among men and instituted by God, and worshipping Him with external observances which have been developed into a complex ritual. (The Visible Church by Rev. John F. Sullivan, D.D.)

Let us reason out of the scriptures, as was Paul’s manner (Acts 17:2).

God is a Spirit: and they that worship him must worship him in spirit and in truth. John 4:24

But I fear, lest by any means, as the serpent beguiled Eve through his subtlety, so your minds should be corrupted from the simplicity that is in Christ. 2Co 11:3
Online4Him
  • Sat Apr 26, 2008 5:50 pm
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Jesus’ resurrection was also prophesied in the Hebrew Scriptures – Psalms 16:10 – his victorious resurrection over sin and death gives all those who follow him a living hope for the inevitable restoration of all things.

I don’t know if any of this answered your question but it was intended to give a brief summary of what Jesus’ life and his death means to Christians.
Online4Him
  • Sat Apr 26, 2008 5:50 pm
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Scitsonga,

How is it Jesus paid an infinite price, what does that mean?

What I am sharing may sound redundant, maybe not, but if you would allow me to back track a little and consider the “claims” that Jesus himself made; for example he claimed to be the “Messiah”- the (“Anointed One”) - the coming Savior/Prophet/King who was prophesied throughout the Hebrew Scriptures to come and redeem mankind from sin and its penalty. The Prophet Daniel refers to him as the “Son of man” – another title which he used to describe the coming messiah – Daniel 7:13, 14. Jesus repeatedly utilized this title “Son of Man” for himself throughout his ministry– see Mark 14:61-64; my point is this: if Jesus is who he claimed to be (God in the flesh) - well then, everyone must decide for themselves how to respond.

With that said, within the Christian worldview mankind was created in the image of God; not only in his physical form but was also made to reflect his holy character. As you well know, the written account states that mankind separated himself from God through disobedience and through disobedience sin which is biblically described as “the transgression of the law” – 1John 3:4 - brought death upon all mankind - “For all have sinned, and come short of the glory of God” – Romans 3:23.

This death entails a total separation from God himself; however, through Jesus Christ we have been reconciled to God through faith in his Son – “Much more then, being now justified by his blood, we shall be saved from wrath through him” – Romans 5:9. “For as by one man's disobedience many were made sinners, so by the obedience of one shall many be made righteous – Romans 5:19. References to God’s holy character and law as recorded in the scriptures should not surprise us given the fact that our physical world is governed by physical laws.

Now to finally answer your question: “the infinite price for our sins” – perhaps the word “infinite” is what you are wrestling with; this statement merely describes the immeasurably great sacrifice that was paid to redeem mankind. The New Testament is really a fulfillment of the prophetic account of what the Old Testament writers pointed to – Jesus Christ being the “lamb of God” who takes away the sins of the world – John 1:29. The old sacrificial system that is recorded in the Hebrew Scriptures (Old Testament) all pointed to Jesus Christ.
scitsonga
  • Sat Apr 26, 2008 3:25 pm
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Online4him "Jesus, who was God incarnate (John 1:1, 14), paid an infinite price for our sin. Jesus died for our sins"

perhaps i'm missing something here. How is it Jesus paid an infinite price, what does that mean? If he died for our sins. Why is that such a sacrifice if he then rose from the dead and is still alive. Am i missing something on that?
scitsonga
  • Sat Apr 26, 2008 3:22 pm
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Chris333, As an agnostic I would say that I am unencumbered with any particular belief in the nature of God or whether such an entity even exists, and as such, I do take the view that one's religion is a personal thing and are entitled to that view. You have reasons to think that your beliefs are the correct ones, perhaps they are, or perhaps not. Others, say Muslims and Jews, have their reasons for their beliefs. My position is I have no way of knowing, and I say live and let live. As far as I know, the Bible is really the only "evidence" that Christians have for their beliefs. I dont place much stock in a single source of information. I would agree with you that if there exists a God, then ones interpretation of the nature of God doesn't matter, then God is what God is. Unless I have additional information, I really have no reason to believe one way or the other. To me, it makes little sense that God punishes those that do not believe, or have the wrong ideas. I have my reasons for being an agnostic, if as my Christian friends tell me, God gave us free will and a mind to think for our selves, then I find it difficult to believe I will be punished for that. I can see though the possibility that if there is a God, that God might be using ones existence on earth to weed out those whom God believes to be unworthy of eternal life in some place called heaven and that perhaps most human would flunk the test. I'm sure I would not make it, I dont have a problem with that. The idea of the eternal torture treatment for those that flunk the test is beyond logic and would be antithetical to the claim Christians make of their religion and God- love and compassion.
truthandjustice1
  • Sat Apr 26, 2008 2:54 pm
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Evangelicals Give Mixed Reactions to Pope's Visit....seriously who cares what they think of the visit? I mean why are they so focused on what the leadership of the Catholic Church is doing? wait , for a moment I forgot the incredible importance of the Catholic Church for Christianity...ok please disregard my question.
leapfrog
  • Sat Apr 26, 2008 11:36 am
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In some of my studies in regards to catholic teaching it seems that some pagan beliefs have found their way into it. They have just been "Christianized." Pattiepie seems to be on top of things. Lidia my question to you is why have you become Catholic? What do you think of Protestants in general such as myself? Obviously you don't know all about me but we are engaging in debate on a very serious matter. It just seems that Scripture is being misinterpreted by someone.
Online4Him
  • Sat Apr 26, 2008 11:07 am
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The very idea of Purgatory, and the doctrines that are often attached to it (prayer for the dead, indulgences, meritorious works on behalf of the dead, etc.) all fail to recognize that Jesus’ death was SUFFICIENT to pay the penalty for ALL of our sins. Jesus, who was God incarnate (John 1:1, 14), paid an infinite price for our sin. Jesus died for our sins (1 Corinthians 15:3). Jesus is the atoning sacrifice for our sins (1 John 2:2).
Chris333
  • Sat Apr 26, 2008 8:21 am
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"The majority of Americans have a belief in a Creator, but realize everyone has their own interpretation of religion and what the nature of the Creator might be"

Poppycock! (Just wanted to say that, no offense scitsonga) It is all fine and good to say that many Americans are becoming more and more relativistic in their thinking, but it is not a good thing. There is either God or no God, and if there is God, then that God is only a certain way. Our interpretation of that is virtually worthless, I can interpret all I want, but if there is no God, then I can not interpret Him into existence. The same applies to the other side, if there is God, then interpret as hard as you desire, but God won't go away.

It is good that we have a separation of Church and State, otherwise the wrong interpretation may win out, and so that people are not forced to accept the right interpretation and their belief can be spontaneous and genuine.
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