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Church|Mon, May. 26 2008 11:53 AM EDT

Calif. Episcopal Church to Perform Same-Sex Weddings

By Lillian Kwon|Christian Post Reporter

An Episcopal church in California plans to perform marriage ceremonies for same-sex couples beginning mid-June.

All Saints Episcopal Church in Pasadena, one of the largest congregations in the denomination, adopted last Thursday the "Resolution on Marriage Equality" in response to a California Supreme Court ruling that legalized gay "marriage."

The 125-year-old congregation "will treat equally all couples presenting themselves for the rite of marriage," said the Rev. Canon J. Edwin Bacon Jr. in an announcement.

"I am honored to serve a church where the leadership demonstrates such stirring courage to move beyond lip service about embodying God's inclusive love to actually committing our faith community to the practice of marriage equality," Bacon commented, according to Episcopal News Service.

On May 15 in a 4-3 ruling, the state high court struck down a ban that prohibited same-sex couples from "marrying." The justices ruled that “domestic partnerships are not a good enough substitute for marriage."

After the high court cleared the way for same-sex "marriage" in a decision that was a blow to Christian and pro-family groups, churches were faced with the pressing question of whether they must recognize and officiate gay weddings.

California has an estimated 92,000 same-sex couples.

Episcopal Bishop Jon Bruno of Los Angeles is establishing a task force to help clarify the impact of the court's decision on local congregations.

While many bishops in The Episcopal Church support the rights of gays and lesbians, the denomination has not "yet made" the decision to bless same-sex unions, Bishop Jim Mathes of San Diego noted.

"We are in the midst of a challenging but vital conversation about holy relationships in this diocese and indeed across the [Anglican] Communion," Mathes said.

The Episcopal Church, the U.S. branch of Anglicanism, had passed a resolution in September 2007 saying they will "exercise restraint" in authorizing public rites of the blessing of same-sex unions. Episcopal Presiding Bishop Katharine Jefferts Schori had made it clear, however, that the church will not retreat from the "full inclusion" of gays and lesbians but is willing to "pause" as the Anglican Communion remains divided on the issue of homosexuality.

Meanwhile, Bacon of All Saints Church believes the latest pro-gay move by his congregation "aligns" them with "the Scriptures' mandate to make God's love tangible by 'doing justice and loving mercy.'"

But Richard J. Mouw, president of the conservative Protestant Fuller Theological Seminary in Pasadena and a friend to Bacon, says All Saints' decision to perform same-sex weddings is "a very serious mistake."

By linking gay "marriage" to issues of "justice and mercy" rather than moral standards, All Saints restricts dialogue with people who have "legitimate questions" about their definition of marriage, Mouw said, according to Pasadena Star News .

"It should be clear to everyone that he's (Bacon) out of step with his global Anglican communion and fostering what many of us sincerely believe is a real threat to the social fabric," Mouw noted.

The global Anglican Communion maintains that homosexual practice is incompatible with Scripture.

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  • Mon Dec 29, 2008 2:31 am Agree: 1   Disagree: 0

    Sin's only friend is death, whether you're an adulterer, fornicator, murderer, thief, liar, blasphemer, or the like. NONE of these will enter the Kingdom of Heaven. Quote.

    To me and the majority of thinking people, this is showing that the church is nothing but terrorism, telling lies that fly totally in the face of what Jesus life on earth was all about - God's love for all his creation.

    I know all the brainwashed people here, terrorized by the church, will never change, for the church is really just one thing - master psychologists, driven primarily for their power over people's lives, and the money that comes with it - money that is "the root of all evil".

    So we, my whole hetero family have left the Catholic church. We have joined progressive churches who do not live in the past, terrorize their people really in the name of the church sadistic power.

    If anyone is going to hell, it will be the leaders of those who poison minds, want to live in the horrible ancient history of mankind, and who are the heirs to a 1000 year reign of terror from the catholic church, combined with corrupt kings, who murdered tens of millions of Muslims "in the name of God", but really in the name of grand theft and their psychopathic pleasure of killing people.

    And there was also the burning at the stake of a million mostly women as witches, which was nothing but the ultimate expression of machoism based power, from a church that still holds women as inferior to men - that is all it is about - ancient beliefs.

    And I could go on. The inquisition, the treatment of the Jews by the church. But the bottom line is that history is moving forward, and if the church doesn't change, it will become increasingly irrelevant in the modern world. The only shame is for all the horrible things it has sponsored, all in the name of God. It is you who should be quaking in your boots, for your day will come.

  • Thu Jun 19, 2008 10:56 pm Agree: 0   Disagree: 0

    Hi Fellow Believers!

    Who here says every word in the Bible is true? Who here endorses 100% of the Bible, every statement as the wishes of God! If in the Bible, I can find an "order" of God, and if you do NOT 100% execute it, I consider you literalists to have LOST.

    Who here takes my challenge? Is there a soul here in this room that agrees 100% with every phrase and statement in the Bible? And will there be NOTHING I can find thats a commandment in the Bible that you not 100% completely agree with?

    This ought to be interesting. Any takers?

  • Mon Jun 02, 2008 4:52 pm Agree: 2   Disagree: 0

    msnchris70

    RE:can you show me where your church was started by Christ?

    My Church, which is the body of Christ, was started by Jesus Christ Himself (Col 1:18).

    The body of Christ consists of all people who have been regeneratrd by the Holy Ghost and evidences itself through a changed life (Titus 3;5). The head of my church, is Christ Jesus Himself.

    Re:Where does it say in the Bible that you have the right to interpret Scripture by yourself and not in communion with the body of Christ?

    It is my God given right to seek Him for understanding of His Word and for Him to guide me into all its truths. (John 14:26, John 16:13) No human being is going to replace God in my life.

    If you don't want to seek God for understanding of His Word and to be guided into all its truths by Him, then that is your business.

    RE:you seem to be a literalist

    Yes, I am a literalist. If you don't want to take God at His Word, then that is your business, but you do so to your own hurt.

    Re:Protestantism is by nature a man-made Tradition

    Catholicism is full of man-made traditions.

    You are resposible before God for what you believe. Beware, false doctrine/teachings/practices can lead you away from God and can even cause you to lose your salvation becaue you do not practice sound doctrine (1 Tim 4:16).

  • Mon Jun 02, 2008 4:05 pm Agree: 1   Disagree: 0

    Same sex marriage is NOT normal or Biblical. What is normal you ask? Normal is function according to design. One way of determining if something is normal or not is to ask, "what if everyone married a same sex partner?" There would be no Father/Mother parenting. There would be no unassisted procreation; there could be no family as designed by God in the Bible. Alas, the only thing new in theology is Apostasy!

  • Sun Jun 01, 2008 3:03 pm Agree: 1   Disagree: 1

    I pray dearest GOD that these churches turn to your word and wisdom. Please save those who sin against you, including myself. I love you Lord, help us in our hearts forgive those who like seeds sprout up quickly but get taken over by weeds. Jesus is alive and has risen. I pray against those who do unholy things in your name sweet Jesus. Amen
    I recall a man by the name Saul who became everything to everyone. I think he did this to bring them to Jesus. Not to agree with their sins.

  • Sat May 31, 2008 11:04 pm Agree: 0   Disagree: 0

    Hey everybody who was flagged - I don't know why our comments were flagged but I reported it to CP and asked them to restore what was flagged.

  • Sat May 31, 2008 1:17 pm Agree: 0   Disagree: 3

    Star2,

    You consistently jump from the exact wording of Scripture to what your own interpretation is. You are consistently inconsistent.

    Since you seem to be a literalist and if it isn't in the Bible you won't do it, right? I am surprised you even brush your teeth or take a shower since those are clearly not in the Bible. Literalists are such a bunch of hypocrites.

    Where does it say in the Bible that you have the right to interpret Scripture by yourself and not in communion with the body of Christ? Oh yeah, and can you show me where your church was started by Christ?

    Just because you can't show any connection from your beliefs to the Apostles and nor a connection to God's church and your church, as a Catholic I will say that you are a Christian despite your lack of connection or the fact that God didn't start your church because of your main core beliefs.
    Protestantism is by nature a man-made Tradition and even Paul said we should avoid those who don't keep to the Traditions of the Church and we should not be in communion with those who cause disunity as we should be of one mind and one faith. Not different minds and not different faiths. There was only one Church founded by God.

    Protestantism has always been a shadow of the real church. You threw the baby out with the Bath water and your churches have been suffering since. Martin Luther had valid points, but the way he handled it was horrible and unscriptural. Since you are unwilling to equally look at Luther critically as Catholics look at the horrible bishops who did unblibical things at the time, you just prove yourself to be not a person of reason.

  • Sat May 31, 2008 11:10 am Agree: 1   Disagree: 0

    msnchris70

    Re:We Catholics honor Mary like Jesus already did.

    Jesus honored His mother on the earth like children are required to honor their parents. Commandment 4: "Honor thy father and thy mother..." (Exodus 20: 12).

    Re:Lastly, all the prayers of the Rosary are straight out of Scripture.

    This is not true. Let us take a look at the content of the prayer:

    Hail Mary prayer:

    Hail Mary, full of Grace, the Lord is with you.
    Blessed art thou amongst women and blessed is the fruit of thy womb Jesus.
    Holy Mary, Mother of God, pray for us sinners
    now and at the our of our death. AMEN.

    "Hail Mary" - This is not what scripture says. It says Luke 1:28 - "And the angel came in unto her, and said, 'Hail, thou art highly favoured..."

    " blessed is the fruit of thy womb Jesus." - Elizabeth did not say "Jesus" when she said "blessed is the fruit of thy womb" (Luke 1:42). Elizabeth did not know what the Savior's name would be and neither did Mary at that time.

    "Holy Mary" - nowhere in scripture is Mary given the title of "Holy".

    "pray for us sinners now and at the our of our death."

    The Hail Mary prayer is prayed to Mary who is in Heaven. Nowhere in scripture does it say that Mary, who is in Heaven, is to pray for sinners anytime in their life or at their death. Rev 14:13 clearly teaches that once a believer goes to Heaven their labour and work is over.

    While Mary was on the earth, and after the resurrected Christ went back to Heaven to be with His Father and to sit at His Father's right hand making intercession for the saints, she probably prayed for people she knew who needed God in their life either for salvation or their daily need, as is commanded by God for all the saints to do. But once she died and went to Heaven she ceased from that work and labour.

    The Hail Mary prayer is not scriptural nor is it of God.

  • Sat May 31, 2008 1:54 am Agree: 1   Disagree: 0

    The Externals of the Catholic Church (Chapter XXXII, The Rosary)

    Many of the saints have had a wonderful love for this beautiful prayer. St. Alphonsus Liguori was most devoted to it. St. Francis de Sales recited it for an hour each day. All the spiritual writers have sounded its praises, and many indulgences have been granted to it by successive Pontiffs. St. Dominic called it " the rampart of the Church of God," " the Book of Life." In various papal briefs it has been described as " the salvation of Christians," " the dispeller of heresies," " the scourge of Satan " and " the promoter of God s glory." [End quote]

    Rampart of the Church of God? Book of Life? The dispeller of heresies? The scourge of Satan? The promoter of God’s glory? The salvation of Christians? Take heed, for such would not be the case.

  • Sat May 31, 2008 12:53 am Agree: 0   Disagree: 2

    Grace2,

    Since I think you are not all that familiar with the Rosary.

    Hail Mary, full of Grace, the Lord is with you.
    Blessed art thou amongst women and blessed is the fruit of thy womb Jesus.
    Holy Mary, Mother of God, pray for us sinners
    now and at the our of our death. AMEN.
    Luke 1:28: Luke 1:42, Luke 1:48, Luke 1:43, (Luke 1:6,9,11);
    Col 2:9; John 2:1; 1John 5:20; 1Tim 2:1-4: Rev 6:9-10; Rev 12:1-5

    The Our Father is said in the Rosary - Matt 6:9-13: Luke 11:2-4
    The Glory be is said in the Rosary - Matt 28:19; Psalm 90:2

    Pretty Scriptural, eh? You may not like the rosary for some sort of preconceived bias, but as you can see our focus is on Jesus and very Scriptural.

    We Catholics honor Mary like Jesus already did. OUr Goal is to immitate Christ, so we will.

  • Sat May 31, 2008 12:33 am Agree: 0   Disagree: 2

    Grace2,

    I think it is even beyond you to make Prudential judgements on what gets people closer to Christ. Saying that the Rosary will not get you closer to Christ is prudential decision you can not make for God.

    For me, saying the Rosary and focusing on the mysteries of Christ life help me to meditate on His life, death and resurrection. Yes, there are more Hail Mary's than Our Fathers, but the point of the Hail Mary is to meditate on the life of Jesus when you say it. For example, this form a meditative and contempletive prayer was practiced by both early Christians and Jews. You say the words of Scripture and then you create an image of God in your head.

    Here are the mysteries of the Rosary that you should think of while saying the Hail Mary.
    Joyful Mysteries: The annunciation of the angel to Mary, The Visitation of Mary visiting Elizabeth, The Nativity-Jesus born, The Presentation of Jesus in the Temple, The finding of Jesus in the Temple.
    Luminous Mysteries: Baptism of Jesus, The Wedding of Cana, The proclamation of the Kingdom of God, Christ Transfiguration, Institution of the Holy Eucharist-communion.
    Sorrowful Mysteries: Christ agony in the Garden, The scourging at the pillar, the crowning of thorns, the carrying of the cross, The Crucifixion.
    Glorious Mysteries: The Resurrection of Jesus, The Ascension of Jesus, the descent of the Holy Spirit on the Disciples, The Assumption of Mary as seen in Rev, The corronation of Mary as seen in Rev.

    So, as you can see the Rosary is the most Christological prayer we have other than the Our Father. .

  • Fri May 30, 2008 1:03 pm Agree: 0   Disagree: 0

    tpique1: I couldn't agree with you more!!

  • Fri May 30, 2008 12:20 pm Agree: 1   Disagree: 0

    smbga,

    This isn't just about "gays". This is about "ALL have sinned and fallen short of the glory of God." 'There is a way that SEEMS RIGHT unto a man, but the end thereof leads to death." The idea that "if it feels good it must be right" is a demonic lie. It is NOT a biblical nor Christian idea.

    Sin's only friend is death, whether you're an adulterer, fornicator, murderer, thief, liar, blasphemer, or the like. NONE of these will enter the Kingdom of Heaven.

    The one reason this particular topic is so pervasive to most Christians is that it's 'in your face"-"accept it or else"- "like it or not". It's being IMPOSED upon society through schools and workplaces everywhere when history is clear that such behavior is not only destructive to families but to whole civilizations and God condemns it as an abomination. If the God of the universe goes so far as to call something an abomination it must be bad.

    Because of the "strong arm" media we are accustomed to, we have become CONDITIONED to believe the lie that such behavior is purely innocent and without consequence. The sooner we stop listening to the talking heads of this generation and start listening to God again the better off our entire civilization will be.

  • Fri May 30, 2008 3:35 am Agree: 2   Disagree: 0

    msnchris70

    Jesus said if you love Him then keep His commandments. Jesus also said that we are not to do repetitious praying. Praying the rosary is repetitious praying. Why are you disobeying God?

    You say that the rosary is all about Jesus. I say, "No, it is not. If you pray 10 hail Mary's for every Our Father then your focus is on Mary not on God."


    Jesus never instructed His disciples to pray to anyone other than God the Father in His name (Jesus' name). To pray to anyone else is a sin.

    Praying the Rosary will not bring you forgiveness of sin nor will it bring you closer to God.

  • Thu May 29, 2008 9:17 pm Agree: 1   Disagree: 0

    Many will say "Lord, Lord" but will be told "I never knew you".

  • Thu May 29, 2008 7:15 pm Agree: 0   Disagree: 0

    WE SING GOD BLESS AMERICA LAND THAT I LOVE WHATS ALL THE COMMENTS ABOUT? THEY DON'T MEAN ANYTHING AND YOU ARE NOT GOING TO CHANGE FREEDOM!!! SO LETS CHANGE THE SONG TO GOD BLESS FREEDOM FOR EVERYTHING... LET FREEDOM RING!!!

  • Thu May 29, 2008 1:24 pm Agree: 1   Disagree: 0

    On our dollar bill, it needs to read, In Flesh we Trust. America has gone to hell. I am not being blasphemous either. I am telling the truth. I pray daily for the handful that are 'pure in heart.' That God will preserve and keep them from the dreadful hour coming,.......and it's coming

  • Thu May 29, 2008 11:49 am Agree: 1   Disagree: 0

    smbga: If they haven't repented, in a word,.... NO!

  • Thu May 29, 2008 11:48 am Agree: 2   Disagree: 0

    msnchris70: Nope, you have just about covered it! Except you forgot to mention the Schorri doesn't believe that Jesus is the only way to the Father, which I guess means that she is not even a CHRISTIAN!

    As far as the RC thing... wouldn't the rosary be consistant with 'Mary Worship'? I mean 1 'Our Father' and TEN 'Hail Mary's'????????????

  • Thu May 29, 2008 11:43 am Agree: 0   Disagree: 0

    Topekan: Unfortunately it is not just in California, go to www.virtueonline.org to see how widespread this disease is in The Episcopal Church.

  • Thu May 29, 2008 7:10 am Agree: 0   Disagree: 1

    and what a day that will be when some weird weather event or some catastrophic thing happens, and all these gays say "oh God". Gee, I wonder if He will even consider them.

  • Wed May 28, 2008 9:01 pm Agree: 1   Disagree: 0

    The bible is clear about same sex sexuality it is a sin and for anyone to say good is evil and evil is good is another sign that we are living in the END OF DAYS. The bible tells christians to come out of the harlot that calls herself a child of jesus christ. We must prey they see the error of their ways. God-Sent gave you the verse isaiah (5:20) read your bible with open eyes pastor may god have mercy on your soul for leading people to stray for the word of God. This is not the only church that has lead people to believe in something that is a lie we as christians must stop listening to these people and digg in to the bible and prey for the truth to be placed in our hearts by the holy spirit and speak out about the wrongs the church is teaching and help our churchs to come out of the harlot.

  • Wed May 28, 2008 11:36 am Agree: 4   Disagree: 0

    Oh and one more thing; all Bible Believing Christians must reject immorality per scripture. Our Christian morals have the foundation on the Word of God.

    Let us all prepare and be ready for Christ return at any time. Come Lord Jesus, Come!

  • Wed May 28, 2008 11:33 am Agree: 2   Disagree: 0

    Weird...all of our comments wiped out yesterday.

    To the person who said that Star2 and Believer worship the Bible is as absurd as thinking we Catholics worship Mary or the Saints. Star2 and Believer honor and venerate the Bible as we all should do. While I may not agree on some points of doctrine with them, Star2 and Believer should be accepted as brothers and sisters in Christ and fellow workers in God's vineyard.

    Concerning Episcopalians and the slippery slope:

    Contraception allowed, abortion allowed, sex outside of marriage not addressed, invitro fertilization ok'd, embryonic stem cell ok'd, women ordained, actively gay men ordained and one consecrated as bishop, a woman made bishop, gays permitted to adopt, gays permitted to marry, etc. Have I missed something?

  • Wed May 28, 2008 11:14 am Agree: 2   Disagree: 0

    oh, great, now the comments have been erased. you know what i think? someone is complaining to the CP about the comments, and now the squeeky wheel gets the oil. I had responded to a man who said he was gay and Christian, and i was exhorting him to repent and to turn to Christ, because you can't have it both ways, and now, low and behold, no one can see the comments. maybe someone at the CP is sensitive to the issue? Maybe they are undercover gay or something? If they don't want people commenting, then they need to stop putting up articles with space to blog. period.

  • Wed May 28, 2008 9:48 am Agree: 1   Disagree: 0

    " Woe unto them that call evil good, and good evil; that put darkness for light, and light for darkness; that put bitter for sweet, and sweet for bitter! " (Isaiah 5:20)

  • Wed May 28, 2008 9:26 am Agree: 1   Disagree: 0

    It seems to me that there's something in the book about calling evil good and good evil. Seems applicable to the California Episcopal Church.

  • Wed May 28, 2008 1:44 am Agree: 1   Disagree: 0

    All Saints "justice and mercy",is going to steal from them, kill and destroy them, and rightly so.
    One cannot have do justice and mercy to sin but to purge it as Paul says in his letter to the Corinthians. The evil that the Episcopal church is facing is the leavening of the whole lump.
    If we judge ourselves we will not have to be judged by Jesus.Now the the Episcopal church
    will probably have it's lamp removed as the church in Revelation.

  • Tue May 27, 2008 11:26 pm Agree: 0   Disagree: 0

    All comments just disappearing has been happening a lot these days at CP. this isn't the only article where this has happened. I wonder if CP knows?

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    Tue May 27, 2008 8:11 pm Agree: 0   Disagree: 0

    Scary isn't it.

  • Tue May 27, 2008 7:04 pm Agree: 0   Disagree: 0

    Hey guys, if you are going to wipe out entire sections of comments, do us all a favor and don't have them in the first place.

  • Tue May 27, 2008 7:03 pm Agree: 0   Disagree: 0

    Presiding Bishop Schorri and LA Bishop Bruno must be $$ contributors to the site!

  • Tue May 27, 2008 6:25 pm Agree: 0   Disagree: 0

    What happened to all the comments?

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