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PCUSA OKs Changes to Faith Document, Removal of Gay Condemnation

By Lillian Kwon|Christian Post Reporter

A committee in the Presbyterian Church (U.S.A.) approved on Monday changes to a translated version of a document of the Reformed Christian faith – changes opponents say are a smokescreen effort to remove a negative reference to homosexual behavior.

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    Commissioners and advisory delegates attend the 218th General Assembly of the Presbyterian Church (U.S.A.) in San Jose, Calif. The biennial meeting is taking place June 21-28, 2008.

PC(USA) commissioners and delegates at their biennial General Assembly went into nearly seven hours of debate on overtures, or resolutions, that called for changes to the 1962 Miller-Osterhaven translation of the Heidelberg Catechism. Much of the controversy revolved around a reference to "homosexual perversion" that is not found in the original German text.

Written in the 16th century, the Heidelberg Catechism has been translated in to many languages and the PC(USA) adopted in 1967 the Miller-Osterhaven version in its Book of Confessions. Opponents of the current translation say the original text and all subsequent translations do not contain any reference to homosexuality and are seeking for a more historically faithful and accurate translation.

Christopher Elwood and Amy Plantinga Pauw, who are part of 32 faculty members from the denomination's 10 seminaries who signed a petition calling for a better translation, said the current version misleads readers by adding phrases that suggest that the catechism took a clear stand on issues of sexual orientation and practice, according to the Presbyterian News Service.

Professor Edward Dowey, chair of the Special Committee of the General Assembly that oversaw the production of the Book of Confessions, acknowledged that he and the committee as a whole failed to notice these errors, and are in this respect “guilty of negligence," as PNS reported.

Question 87 in the 1962 translation reads:

"Q. 87. Can those who do not turn to God from their ungrateful, impenitent life be saved?

A. Certainly not! Scripture says, 'Surely you know that the unjust will never come into possession of the kingdom of God. Make no mistake: no fornicator or idolater, none who are guilty either of adultery or of homosexual perversion, no thieves or grabbers or drunkards or slanderers or swindlers, will possess the kingdom of God.'"

In support of the current version, Dr. Robert A. J. Gagnon of Pittsburgh Theological Seminary argues that the original German text alludes to the Scripture passage 1 Corinthians 6:9-10 which, in the New English Bible translation, lists "homosexual perversion."

"The spirit of the text of the Catechism is clear enough. It is the exact opposite of the attempt now being made to make the Confessions open to homosexual practice," Gagnon said in a written argument last week. "The attempt at retranslation is not about history and honesty but ideology and a homosexualist agenda."

Three professors – Bruce L. McCormack, E. David Willis, Michael D. Bush – from Princeton Theological Seminary and Erskine Theological Seminary, issued a statement saying those proposing for changes fail to understand how the Book of Confessions function.

"It is not the Latin and German texts from the sixteenth century that guide our Church, but rather it is the English texts adopted by the deliberative assemblies of the Church and published in the Book of Confessions by which every officer of our Church has vowed to be guided," they said. "These English versions have been responsibly translated and carefully chosen as 'faithful expositions of what Scripture teaches us to believe and do.'"

Other supporters of the current Heidelberg version also appealed to the church's longstanding condemnation of homosexuality, according to PC(USA)'s news service from the 218th General Assembly in San Jose, Calif.

The issue was first visited at the General Assembly in 1997 and then again in 1998. Recommendations for changes to the catechism were voted down. But this year, the Committee on Theological Issues and Institutions approved 33-26 to ask the 218th General Assembly of the PC(USA) to make changes to the 1962 version.

Meanwhile, William J. Weston, a sociology professor at Centre College in Danville, Ky., believes no one even makes anything serious of what the Heidelberg Catechism says. He went further to say that the Book of Confessions has become merely advisory and is ignored, according to his blog post Tuesday.

Thus, he argues, "The whole Heidelberg translation issue is not really about changing a serious or effective part of the Presbyterian constitution. It is a symbolic feint in the ideological struggle over normalizing homosexual practice."

"What the church really needs is a confession it actually confesses. Then we can have a serious discussion of how, exactly, it is worded," Weston added.

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  • Thu Jun 11, 2009 1:02 am Agree: 0   Disagree: 2

    ""I want what I want and if you don't give it to me, I'll make my own church."

    Good point. No man has been given the authority to "make my own church."

    Only Jesus had that authority and He did it on St Peter over 2000 years ago. St Peter paid Him back by saying to his executioners in Rome I am unworthy to be crucified like my Master so crucify me upside down. (He never forgot his betrayal of Jesus nor His mercy) God Bless

  • Thu Jun 11, 2009 12:56 am Agree: 0   Disagree: 2

    "In the end you need an infallible interpreter and His name is Peter and his successor is Benedict XVI. This is the one church that won't change its view on morality or doctrine because it has been promised by Christ that our doctrines are the Truth."

    Great point. And as an example, we all know that the Anglicans split off because Henry VIII wanted a divorce (that's all)-the Church stuck to its guns (as you say "won't change its views on morality") and would not grant the blatherskite an annulment, and look what damage he caused.

  • Thu Jun 11, 2009 12:51 am Agree: 0   Disagree: 2

    "I'll tell you, brother, disagreements with Catholic teaching on a few major points or not, I'm about this close (holding my fingers about a millimeter apart) from crossing the Tiber..."

    You'll love it...when you see what the Catholic Church teaches as opposed to what Protestant's "think" the Church teaches (you want a quick way-pick up the Didache and read it [written about 80] and it shows the practices of the early Christians-compare it with the Churches today and only one Church matches the descriptions of worship in there. Another way-look at where the early Christians worshiped and were buried-the Catacombs - you can google it - see the graffiti on their walls "praying for the dead (purgatory)" is everywhere, references to the Mass, the Saints, etc. or -watch EWTN "Coming Home" (former Protestants laymen and Ministers) What I love about Protestants is their zeal which they bring with them [gets rid of the CINOs]
    God Bless

  • Thu Jun 11, 2009 12:39 am Agree: 0   Disagree: 2

    "inspired, inerrant Word of God ..."

    "inspired yes, innerrant - no (Catholics are not Literalists); you also have to ask "which Bible?"

  • Thu Jun 11, 2009 12:36 am Agree: 0   Disagree: 0

    Star2 "(I flagged myself.)"

    You should for fibbing.

  • Mon Jun 30, 2008 1:39 pm Agree: 0   Disagree: 1

    There are also lesser known churches like the Evangelical Free Church of America that still stand on the word of God.

  • Sun Jun 29, 2008 4:34 am Agree: 3   Disagree: 0

    True, conservative, Bible believing Christian who know the Word of God should never consider joining themselves with the RCC whose teachings and practices are heretical. It is better to stand alone then to stand with churches that thumb their noses at God's Word like the RCC (which includes Coptics and Orthodox Churches) and these liberal mainline Protestant Churches do.

    You don't have to go to these apostate Churches. There are non-denominational Churches that have not given themselves over to politicial correctness, and ancient and/or modern heretical teachings. Seek God and He will lead you to the Church of His choosing that worships Him in spirit and truth.

    (I flagged myself.)

  • DRJ »
    Thu Jun 26, 2008 7:46 pm Agree: 1   Disagree: 1

    In a study of 80 civilizations, the single determining factor that led to their downfall was their society's acceptance of homosexuality and other sexual immorality.

  • Wed Jun 25, 2008 9:59 pm Agree: 1   Disagree: 0

    believer,

    While I, as a Catholic, have issues with some of the fundamental teachings of the Southern Baptists, one of the things I admire about your denomination is their zeal for acknowledging that the scriptures are the inspired, inerrant Word of God (yes, I know that their were many liberals at the convention that resulted in a rift some years back), and their sense of urgency for evangelization. My best friend from high school of 20+ years is a Southern Baptist, so it is probably the Protestant denomination with which I am most familiar. Over the years, we often have had serious, passionate, but charitable, conversations over differences between our 'faith traditions.' I also have respect for systemtic Reformed theology (I like reading R.C. Sproul, and the late D. James Kennedy). But Satan is attacking on all fronts, and unfortunately, many will be lead astray.

  • Wed Jun 25, 2008 2:15 pm Agree: 2   Disagree: 0

    john14:6, that is one reason I'm a Southern Baptist is because we firmly believe and respect the autonomy of the local church and the priesthood of every true believer. We have no hiearchy that has authority over any local churches. Resolutions passed at our Annual Meeting are not binding on any local church and if a church goes totally off the wall with their doctrine or theology each local church in their Association has the right to withdraw fellowship from that church. Granted we are not a perfect denomination and at times we have more than our share of problems, but each local church is free to move in the direction they truly sense God is leading them to go. Thankfully the Conservative Resurgence brought us back to the foundational truths of God's Word or our denomination might very well be in the mess that many of the mainline denominations are in today. Yes , some things happened in the resurgence that perhaps could have been handled better, but overall it truly helped us to stay focused on the truths of God's Word and joining Him in fulfilling His Great Commission.

  • Wed Jun 25, 2008 12:52 pm Agree: 0   Disagree: 0

    prchrj, thanks for the correction regarding amendments to the confessional documents of the church (as stated in G-18.0201). Such amendments are, indeed, far more difficult than other constitutional amendments.

  • Wed Jun 25, 2008 11:11 am Agree: 5   Disagree: 3

    msnchris70--

    I'm truly beginning to think that all of us Protestants might end up back in the Catholic Church or Orthodox Church over this. This apostasy in Protestantism is ever encroaching and increasing at an exponential rate. Even once conservative denominations are now considering things like ordaining women, accepting homosexuality, etc, because their hierarchy has been taken over by liberals. Only the Lutheran Church Missouri Synod, Presbyterian Church in America, and a few Baptist variants are holding out against it, anymore. But the Episcopalians have already gone over the cliff with the United Methodist Church, the Presbyterian Church of the United States of America and the Evangelical Lutheran Church of America right behind them, and a number of other smaller denominations following like lemmings.

    Changes are already at work within the Lutheran Church Missouri Synod that portend a very dark future for the denomination. The denomination's hierarchy is rapidly being taken over by liberals, and the current President of the denomination is in their camp. I foresee the Missouri Synod easily accepting women priests within five to ten years, and homosexual priests and gay unions within ten to fifteen years (maybe sooner the way things are unraveling at an accelerated pace within the denomination). I see movement among a number of Baptist organizations to accept extreme liberal positions too.

    I have no doubt that every true, conservative, Bible believing Christian will be forced to either join the Catholic or Orthodox faiths, or find some non-denominational, conservative, individual church or congregation to join, within 20 years. The entire mainstream Protestant denominations will be in full-blown apostasy by then, I fear.

    It's sad. 500 years of Protestant tradition, "Here I Stand", and a bloody Reformation that cost countless lives, and we end up with women in authority over men being ordained as ministers and priests, rainbow flags in churches, gay bishops living in open sin, and gay wedding ceremonies. Disgusting.

    I'll tell you, brother, disagreements with Catholic teaching on a few major points or not, I'm about this close (holding my fingers about a millimeter apart) from crossing the Tiber...

  • Wed Jun 25, 2008 10:38 am Agree: 1   Disagree: 5

    500 Years ago Protestants broke away from Holy Mother Church because of disagreements of interpretation of scripture concerning doctrines. Within that 500 years over 50,000 new denominations have been created by dissenting individuals who disagreed with their denomination's interpretation on Scripture concerning doctrine. Now, 500 years later Protestants fight among themselves about the interpretation of scripture concerning morality too and yet both sides uses Scripture to defend their position.

    I thank God everyday that I have finally come home to the authority of the Catholic Church after being a Protestant Pastor for many years. In the end, the Bible teaches us that the Church hiearchy has the right of interpretation given by God. God never meant for every individual to create their own doctrine or morals. He created a Church to interpret these Holy Scriptures and He created a hiearchy in the Church to have authority over God's people.

    In the end you need an infallible interpreter and His name is Peter and his successor is Benedict XVI. This is the one church that won't change its view on morality or doctrine because it has been promised by Christ that our doctrines are the Truth.

  • Wed Jun 25, 2008 10:35 am Agree: 1   Disagree: 1

    Does PC stand for Presbyterian Church or Politically Correct? UNBELIEVABLE!!!

  • Wed Jun 25, 2008 6:38 am Agree: 5   Disagree: 0

    You can remove negative references to homosexual behavior from a faith document, but they're still in the Bible so whats the point: deception?

    itsallaboutjesusnotme.blogspot.com

  • Wed Jun 25, 2008 12:51 am Agree: 0   Disagree: 0

    Actually, any change to the Book of Confessions is far more difficult than changes to the Book of Order. This Gen. Assembly will need to ratify any proposed changes. Then two-thirds of 173 presbyteries will have to approve that ratification. Then the 219th General Assembly (2010) will need to then again ratify the changes. It is not an easy process. Changes to the Book of Order only require a simple majority of the GA and then a majority of the presbyteries for that amendment to the Constitution to become binding.

  • Tue Jun 24, 2008 6:36 pm Agree: 2   Disagree: 1

    cdiddy, we stand with you in prayer. With divisions created anew in Anglican, Episcopalian, Presbyterian and now rumored within Lutheranism, too, over this issue, nonbelievers must be left to wonder who's really in charge, what really is the authority?

    The premise 500 years ago was that it was supposed to be Scripture, but this increasing "denominational disintegration" must make them wonder if it isn't "I want what I want and if you don't give it to me, I'll make my own church."

  • Tue Jun 24, 2008 3:37 pm Agree: 6   Disagree: 0

    I'm a member of the Presbyterian Church (USA). Before throwing the denomination under the bus, please keep in mind the following:

    (1) First, this is an action by a deeply divided committee of the General Assembly. It is not an action of the General Assembly.

    (2) The committee's action must be approved by the General Assembly. It may very well not be approved.

    (3) Even if the GA *did* approve the change, that change must be approved by a majority of the Presbyteries in the PC (USA). The is necessary because the Book of Confessions is one of two books that together comprise the Constitution of the Presbyterian Church (USA). Constitutional changes must be ratified by the presbyteries. Regarding the issue in question, homosexual practice, the church has repeatedly, and increasingly, affirmed the position of Holy Scripture, calling individuals who engage in such practice to repentance and restoration.

  • Tue Jun 24, 2008 2:28 pm Agree: 4   Disagree: 0

    Well, I suppose we all saw this coming. Let's all prepare for another decade of membership decline in the PC(USA). I wonder if there will be enough people left in the denomination after 10 more years to actually allow it to function.

  • Tue Jun 24, 2008 1:34 pm Agree: 3   Disagree: 1

    It was only a matter of time that this liberal denomination would sell its soul to the homosexual agenda.

    Woe unto them that call evil good.

  • Tue Jun 24, 2008 1:28 pm Agree: 3   Disagree: 0

    Do these arrogant men and women think that by changing their confessions that the One and Only Holy God will somehow accept and tolerate their sexual perversion?

    They know not God.

    http://evolutionfacts.blogspot.com/#the_message_that_we_were_born_to_hear

  • Tue Jun 24, 2008 12:33 pm Agree: 1   Disagree: 0

    Ichabod...

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