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Rick Warren: Obama's Abortion Answer Not Clear Enough

By Michelle A. Vu|Christian Post Reporter

Moderator Rick Warren of the Saddleback Civil Forum said presidential hopeful Barack Obama needed to be more specific in his answer to the question of when life begins.

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    Democratic presidential candidate Sen. Barack Obama, D-Ill., talks with Pastor Rick Warren during the Saddleback Forum in Lake Forrest, Calif. Saturday, Aug. 16, 2008.
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    Democratic presidential candidate Sen. Barack Obama, D-Ill., shakes hands with Pastor Rick Warren during the Saddleback Forum in Lake Forrest, Calif. Saturday, Aug. 16, 2008.
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Obama, the putative Democratic nominee, had glibly responded that “it’s above my pay grade” to answer specifically when asked the question on life.

“I think he needed to be more specific on that,” said Warren in an interview following the forum with Beliefnet.com. “I happen to disagree with Barack on that.

“[T]o me, I would not want to die and get before God one day and go, ‘Oh, sorry, I didn’t take the time to figure out’ because if I was wrong, then it had severe implications for my leadership if I had the ability to do something about,” Warren explained.

The influential megachurch pastor wished Obama would have stated clearly that he did not believe life begins until “X” point or that it is a human being at “X” point.

“But to just say ‘I don’t know’ on the most divisive issue in America is not a clear enough answer for me,” Warren, who refused to say who he will vote for, said.

Other evangelical leaders, such as Janet Folger, president of Faith2Action, also were dissatisfied with Obama’s answer to the abortion question.

She said the question could be interpreted as “when does a baby get human rights?” in which Obama’s voting record would reply “never.”

“He’s the only Senator in the entire Senate in Illinois who actually stood on the floor and spoke against protecting babies that were completely severed from the mother, that had survived the assault of an abortion,” Folger said during a teleconference with other evangelical leaders following the forum. “That answer should have been ‘never.’ He tried to avoid it, and it tells me that he shouldn’t be getting the pay grade of President.”

During the interview with Beliefnet, Warren reaffirmed what he and many others have said in the past - that evangelicals are not monolithic and he cannot predict who this group will vote for.

But he did say that evangelicals will vote based on their priority in values, and for many, the abortion issue could be the “deal breaker.”

“If they think that life begins at conception, then that means that there are 40 million Americans who are not here [because they were aborted] that could have voted,” Warren said.

“They would call that a holocaust, and for them it would like if I'm Jewish and a Holocaust denier is running for office. I don't care how right he is on everything else, it's a deal breaker for me. I'm not going to vote for a Holocaust denier …”

Polls show that young evangelicals are more pro-life than their parents' generation. Although these young faith voters are looking at other topics such as poverty, AIDS, climate change, the issue of abortion remains at the top for many, according to surveys.

The Saddleback Civil Forum, which took place last Saturday evening, drew massive media attention because it was the first time presidential candidates John McCain and Barack Obama shared the same stage this election year.

Warren followed up the forum with a sermon, which was streamed lived on the Internet, on Sunday, preaching on the qualities of a biblical leader. He purposely avoided naming names of candidates, but said the purpose of the special sermon, titled “The Kind of Leader America Needs,” was to simply teach Christians the characteristics of a leader, as taught in the Bible, who will be blessed by God and let Christian voters make up their own political decisions.

"Don't just look at issues, look at character," Warren told Saddleback congregants and those watching on the Internet. "Look at the candidate and say, 'Does he live with integrity, service with humility, share with generosity, or not?'"

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  • Tue Jun 30, 2009 3:39 pm Agree: 0   Disagree: 0

    What's the change we really need? Find plenty of examples at: http://obamaprayers.blogspot.com

  • Fri Oct 31, 2008 10:26 am Agree: 2   Disagree: 0

    Im against abortion because God is; why?

    No child is a mistake before birth or inside the womb. We as followers of Christ need to back our opinions with facts. These facts are in the Bible. Abortion is against Gods will! Read Jeremiah 1:5, psalms 139.

    It is evident that even before we are born, we are sawn together in our mothers womb. We are perfectly made to do our calling as Christians which is better explained in Jeremiah 1.

    The main thing is the most powerful gift given when we are born. "Love". Its not the mother of a new-born that makes her child attracted to her, its Love between them two. "God is Love". Its the shortest scripture in the Bible but the most powerful.

    Taking this gift from a "prophet" is by far the most cruel thing you can do and anyone who supports this act of selfishness, is just as cruel. This is not a judgement but a stated fact. Anyone who supports this cruelty is clearly not following Christ and following His walk.

    Its clear that it is Gods will a child be born. When Adam and Eve ate the apple..this opened our ability of choice here on earth. Anyone would have done it. Following this act, we as believers or non-believers have the ability to choice between good and evil. Abortion is evil and this cruelty will for sure be judged on Jesus return.

    You can call yourself a christian all the days of your life but a true Christian is a believer in faith not ignorance. Christians have God as their footstool not morality or common understanding. God tells Christians that our believe in Him will shine so that all will see so that no label should have to be placed.

    Are you shining or following your understandings? God tells us not to "lean on our own understandings" In all respect to all who post debates, please use scripture not other peoples opinions. God Bless.

    Michael Etheridge,
    Myspace.com/michaeletheridge622

  • Tue Oct 14, 2008 5:01 am Agree: 2   Disagree: 2

    I think Sarah palin would be a cool VP!

    Do your research:

    - -Obama voted to kill babies born alive (voted against infant protection)

    - - Obama and Hillary push for partial birth abortion which is cut the skull, suck the brains out of a human being, and throw them in the trash. Obama is sick!

    Why is my family so concerned about the deception of Obama? He is not a decent man, has no experience and has ties with ACORN, AYERS, WRIGHT, some are voting for Obama only because of skin color and so many other bad reasons...

    *** Families for McCain - Palin ***

  • Mon Oct 13, 2008 6:39 pm Agree: 0   Disagree: 0

    I could never vote for Obama.

  • Mon Oct 13, 2008 6:38 pm Agree: 1   Disagree: 1

    Sarah Palin is a real Christian. Where are the articles of her faith? SHe is not perfect, but will keep America safe!

  • Mon Oct 13, 2008 6:37 pm Agree: 0   Disagree: 1

    *** People of faith are voting McCain - Palin ***

    Some facts on Obama's voting and speaking against the teaching of Christ:

    - Obama votes to kill babies born alive. These are people Jesus loves.

    - Obama calls traditional marriage, which Jesus ordained, "divisive".

    - Biden's church has told Biden not to take communion.

    Let's vote for McCain - Palin beacuse they care for all babies and marriage - instead of voting because

    someone is black or speaks well.


    *** People of faith are voting McCain - Palin ***

  • Mon Oct 13, 2008 4:10 pm Agree: 0   Disagree: 1

    "A vote for McCain is a vote to tell our young people that adultery in its most blatant forms is OK. THAT is a threat to marriage. "

    A vote for Obama tells our children that we think we should reserve the right to have aborted them if we so desired and that they should have the right to abort our grandchildren so that it won't "ruin" their life.

  • Mon Oct 13, 2008 1:40 pm Agree: 0   Disagree: 0

    Our choices are hard indeed. Adultery on one hand and abortion on the other hand. No doubt both are sins and both provide a bad example to young people, but what we don't know is whether John Mc Cain has repented and asked God and his family for forgiveness.

    If he has done so we cannot hold it over his head any longer as God has forgiven him. I also see a difference in the extent of the evil they both have participated in directly or indirectly. Mc Cain's was a choice that affected his family directly; hard and painful but God has given us the capacity to get on with our lives even after suffering that kind of betrayal.

    Obama's take on abortion jeopardizes the lives of thousands of people everyday, people who will not get the opportunity to make a mistake because they are viewed as something that can be just thrown away if the moment just isn't right.

    Our society loves utilitarianism and though I don't subscribe to the idea, those who defend it should see that this case does offer a choice for the greater good of a greater number of people.

  • Wed Aug 27, 2008 10:35 am Agree: 4   Disagree: 4

    I for one, am not comfortable electing someone who repeatedly cheated on his first wife, left her for his wealthy mistress, and awkwardly uses his POW status to cover over his discomfort with discussing his faith and other difficult topics, and has lived a life of luxury and privilege, aside from his years of service.

    A vote for McCain is a vote to tell our young people that adultery in its most blatant forms is OK. THAT is a threat to marriage.

  • igh »
    Tue Aug 26, 2008 9:22 am Agree: 3   Disagree: 1

    stanz said:
    "First of all, Senator Obama did not personally kill anyone"

    anyone who supports abortion is a murderer. And i mean the whole "industry" that is out to make money on the innocent and helpless. Then they sell the little bodies that have been cut up to so-called research companies. There are price lists for our children. For example $1000 for an eye, $500 for a brain, $100 for an arm etc...
    Anyone who supports this is damned.
    And i follow the Spirit too, it is he that gives understanding when we dont have "specific verses" on abortion industry.
    ty and have a nice day.

  • Mon Aug 25, 2008 10:09 pm Agree: 0   Disagree: 0

    "many of you talk and think the same and hang out with people who think the same. Me, I've read my Bible alone every day for 13-14 years and 8 years on and off. I listen to preachers as a supplement, like a person who takes a vitamin, but my meals or the meat of my learning comes from the Holy Spirit."

    Um, I don't think this is the first time I've read you write this, and I'm sure you did not mean it to come out this way, but it sounds like a bit of pride. Kind of like in Matthew 6:5.

  • Mon Aug 25, 2008 2:23 pm Agree: 1   Disagree: 1

    Preach it, wbmoore! Preach it!

    msnchris70

  • Mon Aug 25, 2008 1:13 pm Agree: 1   Disagree: 0

    "Senator Obama did not personally kill anyone."

    Didn't say he did. I said he did not vote to protect children who survived abortion. Then I said it looks like he lied about his position.

    "Second of all, why do Republican leaders advocate personal responsibility when it comes to income, but ignore personal responsibility when it comes to abortion? "

    I'm not a republican leader, but as for me, when the innocent baby can protect itself, I'll expect it to take personal responsibility. Until then, we need to protect it if possible.

    As for the mother who wants the abortion, aborting a baby is NOT taking personal responsibility - it is attempting to abdicate it. I say attempting because while the baby may die, there are still negative consequeces to abortion.

    Many people ARE working to end hunger and disease. This does not mean we should not work to end infanticide.

    Many of us who are against infanticide are also against adultery and divorce; I wouldn't mind find a way to end those too.

  • Sun Aug 24, 2008 11:30 am Agree: 1   Disagree: 0

    stan,
    "and do very little to open up the minds of the young people getting the abortions to the fact that even developing life is precious"
    Wrong. We do. But people still view pregnancy as inconvenient rather than a life. We tried to get Planned Parenthood to do ultrasounds for pregnant mothers so that they could see the baby growing, which would make it more real to them. PP refused to do that because they knew it would sway clients to not get to procedure. There are alternatives to PP, but they are not as prolific for two reasons.
    PP gets government funding. Many of these other places do not.
    As I said before, many young people continue to view pregnancy as being inconvenient, and do not want to take responsibility for their actions.
    I would like to say that the overall responsibility falls upon the parents of the pregnant teen, but the government wants to even take that away as well.

  • Sun Aug 24, 2008 2:25 am Agree: 0   Disagree: 0

    First of all, Senator Obama did not personally kill anyone. Second of all, why do Republican leaders advocate personal responsibility when it comes to income, but ignore personal responsibility when it comes to abortion? They blame the Democrats every four years so they can get the "evangelical vote" and do very little to open up the minds of the young people getting the abortions to the fact that even developing life is precious . Republicans controlled the White house and Congress for six years and there have been seven Republican appointments to the Supreme Court, but nothing done on abortion. There are four different Gospel authors, but not one religious teaching exclusively on killing, much less abortion. There are many verses denouncing greed (idol worship) and some are a quarter of a chapter and more long such as Mark 10:17-27. Almost the entire chapter of Luke 16:9-31 is a parable and parables denouncing greed. Why, because tens of millions of people(including children) are starving to death slowly and slowly dying from lack of medicine and food and from treatable diseases. Meanwhile people are buying seven houses and ignoring them. All life is precious to the Lord and he looks on the elderly as you do the young. They are still children in His eyes! We can save far more lives from disease, starvation and sickness, including far more children than are lost to abortion, with a fraction of what we spend on an unjust war. By the way, both those chapters I cited also contain warnings against adultery and you can be left out of heaven for adultery as easily as you can for killing. It's so sad how many people don't understand scripture. But many of you talk and think the same and hang out with people who think the same. Me, I've read my Bible alone every day for 13-14 years and 8 years on and off. I listen to preachers as a supplement, like a person who takes a vitamin, but my meals or the meat of my learning comes from the Holy Spirit.

  • Sat Aug 23, 2008 10:46 am Agree: 1   Disagree: 0

    "It looks like Obama lies...."

    In following his campain he seems to represent every possible position on all subjects. You would think one of them would be right. :D

  • Fri Aug 22, 2008 11:19 pm Agree: 0   Disagree: 0

    It looks like Obama lies....

    http://www.onenewsnow.com/Election2008/Default.aspx?id=223514
    http://www.stoptheaclu.com/archives/2008/08/18/campaign-admits-obama-lied-about-abortion-vote-media-asleep/

  • Fri Aug 22, 2008 7:21 pm Agree: 1   Disagree: 1

    chris,
    I agree with you on your reasons for supporting McCain. It's kinda the same thing I did with Bush/Kerry.
    Obama just doesn't set well with my spirit.

  • Fri Aug 22, 2008 6:16 pm Agree: 0   Disagree: 0

    chris,
    I'm not going to rebuttle your answer. I was just curious, because I'm torn over that issue.

  • Fri Aug 22, 2008 6:15 pm Agree: 2   Disagree: 2

    msnchris,
    I agree with you whole heartedly. Abortion is murder. And I lean more towards McCain than Obama. But let me ask you this. I'm not trying to start an argument, I'm just curious. The Bible is explicit in the fact that if you are divorced and you remarry, you are living in adultery. McCain is living in adultery. What's your take?

  • Fri Aug 22, 2008 5:54 pm Agree: 1   Disagree: 0

    omhr, what church do you attend that tells girls if they have pre-marital sex they're going to hell? Too many churches aren't even speaking to the issue of pre-marital sex and that's where the problem lies. As a result teens are being saturated by the media and their peers that it's cool to have sex and in many cases their not being told the dangers of premarital sex or their told well since you're going to have it anyways please wait until you think you're ready and please use a condom.

  • DRJ »
    Fri Aug 22, 2008 5:21 pm Agree: 1   Disagree: 0

    If you are wondering why Obama seems to be so far off the mark concerning important issues in America, here's some polite suggestions. Listen to his verrrrry general resonses to very specific questions and you will see a pattern. He is not very saavy because that's what the Liberal Left is banking on for THIS election! By offering to run a black candidate (who can't possibly win) the Democrats will forever endear themselves to all future black voters. Because of their seeming benevelence and ethnic sensitivity they see themselves in the driver's seat for the 2012 campaign of Hillary Clinton. It's deceptive but politically brilliant! In the mean time Dems are willing to raise the hopes (and take the money of) many honest, trusting people in America to pull off the biggest hoax in the history of American politics. The saddest thing is that poor Barack doesn't have a clue about how he is being misused by "his party."

  • Fri Aug 22, 2008 12:26 pm Agree: 0   Disagree: 0

    Liberals love to make the 10 Commandments into the 10 Suggestions!

    If you licitly support abortion by voting for a Pro-choice candidate, then depending on your conscience and why you made that vote for the pro-abortion candidate you too may not go to heaven. Why? Because you are obstinately opposing the commandment of thou shall not MURDER in the proper hebrew/aramaic and greek versions. You take an innocent life or support it, then you are guilty of murder.

    Support of murder is not something to take lightly. Your salvation is at risk if you support abortion.

  • Fri Aug 22, 2008 12:21 pm Agree: 0   Disagree: 0

    Show me in the Tanakh where life begins at birth??? Life begins at conception. Most abortions happen in the 9th-14th week, which means the baby already has a heartbeat, has fingers , toes and it moves.

    If you abort, you are a murderer. Premarital sex is a sin that you will go to hell for without repentance. You cannot be in a sinful life and go to Heaven. By sinning you reject God and His Love.

    McCain 2008!

    Liberalism is a mental disease created by extreme forms of relativism both theological and moral. It can only be stamped out by Christian orthodoxy.

  • omhr »
    Fri Aug 22, 2008 11:02 am Agree: 2   Disagree: 1

    Wow, I cannot believe what I am reading. So its okay that McCain does not support and take care of his wife and children that already exist....as long as he thinks that people that don't technically exist have rights. That's the kind of leader we need! The truth is, it is above Obama's paygrade to determine when life begins...its above all of us. That is God's decision. According to the Tanakh (Old Testament), life begins at birth. I'm certainly not pro-abortion...but I am pro-choice. Statistics show that the majority of abortions occur in so-called Christian homes. It's no wonder when young girls are scared into believing they will go to Hell for premarital sex. Instead of demonizing premarital sex as the ultimate sin, we should be supporting our children when they make poor decisions. If the church and parents would console and support instead of punish, far fewer girls would have abortions. That is the point Obama has made. He wants to educate people and provide support so that women can make a choice to either keep the baby and give it up for adoption rather than having an abortion. Notice that Bill Clinton felt the same way as Obama and abortion rates were much lower. Under Bush, the number of abortions skyrocketed because it became centerstage. There are many more important issues than rights for children that aren't born yet. If McCain gets in...the economy is going to completely crash and you will see abortions go up even more because people are not going to have sex, but they can't afford the children they might give birth to as a result of sex.

  • Thu Aug 21, 2008 11:28 pm Agree: 0   Disagree: 0

    Come on Bob: adultery vs. murder? Like that's a tough choice??? Give me a break. I bet you didn't vote for Huckabee.

    Liberalism is a disease - Truth is the cure!

  • Thu Aug 21, 2008 8:37 pm Agree: 0   Disagree: 1

    So, what about McCain's brush off of discussing his cheating on his wife? As a velues voter, I am still appalled every time I look at him and remember that story. She waited for him through the entire war, then he left her for a wealthy beer model. My wife calls him a model for cheaters everywhere.

  • Thu Aug 21, 2008 6:26 pm Agree: 0   Disagree: 0

    I tend to agree with the assumption that Saddam got rid of the WMD's. When we first had our questions about his WMD project, we slapped his hand and told him to stop. Then we asked to see certain questionable sites, which he refused. Then we put embargos on him. Still not having physically gone in to check it out. Saddam would let no one in to see. Then we threatened him, but did nothing. This went of for a loooooooong time. And while this worthless show of force continued, I kept tell my wife "He's milking it. Giving him time to either hide or destroy all evidence of what he's doing."
    Which I think, with as much time we wasted pandering to him, he had plenty of time to do just that. Saddam was a very very cunning and smart man. I don't think he had an idea that he would have ended up dead. But I think he was hoping that we would come in, find nothing, and leave with egg on our faces in disgrace.

  • Thu Aug 21, 2008 6:16 pm Agree: 0   Disagree: 0

    "Sadam had WMDs, but got rid of them before the war started"

    Interesting how the nuclear programs in a near straight line from Iraq to N. Korea got a jump right after this go 'round in Iraq started? Iran...China...Korea...

    I'm sure it's just a coincidence.... They must have just gone to "nukes 'r us" and picked up a bunch of stuff....

  • Tom »
    Thu Aug 21, 2008 2:06 pm Agree: 0   Disagree: 0

    Believer----amen and amen

  • Thu Aug 21, 2008 1:00 pm Agree: 1   Disagree: 0

    Tom, having pastored a church right outside Fort Drum, I can totally agree that our men and women in the military are doing a great job in both Iraq and Afghanistan from both a humane and military point of view. And as you said the media tends to ignore the good work they are doing because they're so busy reminding us what a mistake we made going into Iraq. Plus, I know many soldiers who are still convinced Sadam had WMDs, but got rid of them before the war started.

  • Tom »
    Thu Aug 21, 2008 12:39 pm Agree: 0   Disagree: 0

    prophet, I have talk to at least 5 or 6 and read about many many more. We have made mistakes there as in any war, but by and large we have been successful. Gods Blessing on you in your defense of the Christian faith as well His Blessing on others who are do likewise. In Christ Tom

  • Thu Aug 21, 2008 12:02 pm Agree: 0   Disagree: 0

    Tom,
    That is so true. What we see from the liberal media, and what actually goes on there are two different things. I personally know two men who did tours over there. They both testified to the fact that the Iraqi citizens were ecstatic that we had done what we did. And they are even more grateful that we hung around to help rebuild their country.

  • Thu Aug 21, 2008 11:08 am Agree: 1   Disagree: 0

    I was watching a news program interviewing a 'Obama supporter' in the studio who was doing the twist and spin...until they talked about Saddleback. He said he didn't think Obama won because McCain was speaking from the heart giving answers right away and Obama was stopping to think too much. It made it look like Obama was calculating his answers. This was from an Obama supporter!

  • Tom »
    Thu Aug 21, 2008 9:56 am Agree: 2   Disagree: 0

    Yes Viking hindsight is always 20/20. The best information they had at the time. Reviewed and accepted by members of both parties at the time I might add. Was that Iraq was involved. You can bring up all the conspiracy theories you want but the end result is one has to make a decision based on the available information. That decision was made and as it turns out the US has done a couple of good works. 1) We have bottled up the killers of innocent people, al-qaeda, in Iraq and Afghanistan for years now and what’s more the US has not had a successful cowardly terrorist attack against us since 911. 2) We have gotten rid of a murder (saddam hussain) who killed and tortured upwards of hundreds of thousands of his own people. Some of who were our brothers and sisters in Christ. (That alone was worth the cost perhaps, time will tell). 4th) There is a measure of Freedom in Iraq that was never been known there. Women can vote, kids going to school etc, etc. Despite what the papers say we are doing a good work for these people. Ask the majority of soldier who have been there. Will it ultimately succeed? May be for a while, but as Christians we know that Jesus is coming back and the world will be a far worse place then it is now before He does. That however does not preclude us from trying to be peacemakers in a world of hate. I think in order to be peacemakers as Jesus said in the beatitudes we need to at times fight in order to bring peace. Gods Blessing In Christ Tom

  • Thu Aug 21, 2008 2:28 am Agree: 1   Disagree: 1

    A candidate who cannot answer the question of when life begins, does not deserve to be president of the United States of America.

    Even a 10-year child can reference a biology book for the answer.

    One cannot make wise decisions without having thought about the foundational basics of life.

  • Thu Aug 21, 2008 2:22 am Agree: 2   Disagree: 1

    It is shameful for Obama to be in favor of the deaths of babies who survived an abortion.

    That is cold & heartless.

    That is radically extreme.

    That is anti-human rights of babies.

  • Wed Aug 20, 2008 10:30 pm Agree: 0   Disagree: 1

    Hi all, It seems to me that even the proponents of abortion should be rejecting Senator Obama as a presidential candidate. Regardless of where one stands Christian or atheist for a candidate for president to state that a question of great national debate was "above his pay grade" is unacceptable. Senator Obama is interviewing for the job of president. No question is above his sought after pay grade. The whole point of president is leadership and judgement. Ducking any question in this way should be unacceptable to everyone regardless of their position on the issue (by the way I oppose abortion).

  • Wed Aug 20, 2008 10:21 pm Agree: 0   Disagree: 1

    Tom,
    First I have to admit I interpret the teachings of Christ to prohibit me from engaging as a soldier in the killing of another human being regardless of the provocation. (Though I am not prohibited from serving even in combat areas to provide medical or other supportive care to soldiers). That being said I can not insist you accept my interpretation and understand from your post that some wars and the killing in wars can be justified from for example a self defense/ response to aggression stand point.
    However even if one accepts the argument that war can be justified on a response to aggression basis as your reference to 9/11 suggests I can not see how you can justify the war in Iraq on this basis. Even the administration which prosecuted this war has admitted that Iraq had no connection with the planning or execution of the attacks on 9/11. Therefore citing 9/11 as a justification for the killing in Iraq makes no sense. No one in Iraq was coming after us even the Bush administration admits that now. You are right War is hell and people die including innocent persons who have no power over national policy and no connection to the conflict except the misfortune of where they live. This is exactly why war is something to be dreaded and avoided .

  • Wed Aug 20, 2008 10:09 pm Agree: 0   Disagree: 1

    Daniel Paul,
    I read your post of 6:39 Tuesday with shock. Are you really justifying the killing of innocent civilians. Your statement is essentially if terrorists exploit and kill innocent civilians then that justifies somehow our killing innocent civilians. Regardless of ones political views or feelings about justification of war in Iraq it is undeniable that there have been many civilian casualties of persons who had no association or sympathy for terrorists. Think about what you are saying. This would be the same as saying it would be justified for police to shoot and kill hostages in a robbery because the criminals used them as a shield. Or that it would be okay for the government to kill your family because a drug dealer was operating in your neighborhood and they couldn't easily figure out which house he was in. I think you let your political leanings overwhelm your Christian values.

  • Wed Aug 20, 2008 5:01 pm Agree: 0   Disagree: 1

    If I were Obama, I would have laughed and said that a child has rights after the 54th trimester; when they turn 18.

  • Tom »
    Wed Aug 20, 2008 2:07 pm Agree: 0   Disagree: 0

    bondman what a wonderful questions I love it. I just may use that sometime. Gods Blessing In Christ Tom

  • Wed Aug 20, 2008 11:55 am Agree: 1   Disagree: 0

    Rick Warren should have followed up his question to Barack Hussein Obama with this:

    "When, Senator Obama, did your daughters lives (and their human rights) begin?"

    Oftentimes a closely focused question will reveal the truth.

  • Wed Aug 20, 2008 10:42 am Agree: 2   Disagree: 0

    Along with his lack of position on when life begins and other shaky standpoints, especially subjects he favors that clearly goes against biblical principles, Obama also seems to do everything he can to avoid saying Jesus Christ is his Lord and Savior.

    I will not vote for someone who is waffles so much on his faith and faith related issues or does not stand for Christ. Obama needs prayer and he needs to do a lot of soul searching and come down off the fence, not for his political office he is seeking but of his own salvation. You are either for Jesus or you are against Him, there is no middle ground. But for now, he should not be leader of the U.S. until he figures out where he stands.

  • Wed Aug 20, 2008 1:05 am Agree: 6   Disagree: 1

    Most American's DO NOT favor abortion. Nor do they wish to align themselves with factions dedicated in butchering innocent babies inside and outside the womb. And NO, that baby is NOT the women’s body; it is a separate body with a separate heartbeat and separate brain activity. And YES, the unborn baby FEELS PHYSICAL PAIN as it is being ripped out of what should be the safest place on earth - mother’s womb!

    The Planned Parenthood abortionists lie to young women all the time just to get their money, while those ex-mothers and ex-fathers suffer emotional distress as they realize everyday that they have just allowed a child killer to convince them, not only to take their money, but also to kill their precious little baby. Abortion STOPS A BEATING HEART and the future of a civilization.

    People weep and wail over the loss of a High School football player destined for a great professional career who had been gunned down by a random shooter, but yet we will never know the great deficit future generations will suffer for the loss of over 50 million innocent babies in this country alone. Shame on America for tolerating this horror… and shame on its’ citizens for tolerating their personal complacency. Pro-choice is a lie - Babies do not choose to die!

    Away with this archaic freakish, barbaric practice! It will soon be done away with, along with these fake pro-abortion polling numbers! As long as the president chooses judicial nominees his Vice-president better be pro-Life if he is ever going to win an election.

    "A nation that cannot protect its most innocent and helpless citizens and the sanctity of human life is a weak nation that will utterly collapse economically, socially, relationally and entirely." - HMH

    ATHEISM is a CATASTROPHIC FAILURE. Get out while you still can.

    http://www.evolutionfacts.blogspot.com/

  • Wed Aug 20, 2008 12:42 am Agree: 2   Disagree: 0

    Shame, shame, shame on Obama for supporting the deaths of babies who survive abortion procedures. Cold! Heartless! Politically calculating! Radical extremist!

    Shame, shame, shame on Obama for refusing to answer the question about when life begins.

    Even a 10 year-old child can pick up a biology book to get the right answer.

  • Tue Aug 19, 2008 10:48 pm Agree: 0   Disagree: 0

    Diane,
    except for their idea of morality is limited to the sins they aren't doing in mass).

    Hey I think your comments were maybe misunderstood. I think you were trying to say that while Christians maybe pointing the finger at Obama about his stance on abortion, many Christians are still working out there own moral stances and failures.

  • Tue Aug 19, 2008 8:58 pm Agree: 2   Disagree: 0

    Couple of things here. First, McCain won the debate hands down. When Obama tells me his failing is selfishness, that tells me nothing. We're all selfish; tell me something I don't know. McCain citing his divorce at least was specific, tangible.

    Second, McCain was so quick to affirm human life at conception, but why then does he endorse embryonic stem cell harvesting? It doesn't take an ethicist to connect the two, unless you're doing a salvage operation of stem cells from embryos already killed.

    IOW, I think we need to beware of pandering, of being used. McCain needs the Evang. vote badly. Just keep that in mind.

    That said, Obama is making up stuff as he goes and pretending to be a centrist and a healer. He is neither. He is an extremist both politically and theologically. He's thrown most of his past under the bus (his erstwhile pastor had it right: "he's a politician") and with the primaries over has made a mad dash to center.

    Lastly, Pastor Warren took a lot of heat before the forum - separation of church and state, politicizing the Gospel, and all that, but afterward the acclaim was universal. Everyone says this forum gave some very valuable insight into the two contenders.

    And that can't be good for Obama. I see a lot of ppl getting tired of his convenient position switches and elitist narcissism. This is going to be a horse race.

  • Tue Aug 19, 2008 7:29 pm Agree: 4   Disagree: 0

    Sen. Obama will not give clear and straight answer to
    many moral questions. Whether it is divine creation or
    the moral ramification of abortion. Americans are totally getting into the tract of materialism, so the
    majority of the people think that Sen. Obama with
    his more liberalized economic policy can solve the
    problems. But when faced with moral questions, Obama's
    answers are consistently contradictory and chronically
    vacilating.

  • Tue Aug 19, 2008 7:09 pm Agree: 1   Disagree: 1

    "At what point do innocent civilians have a right not to be killed by American forces?"

    That would be at the same time people stop using innocent civilians as shields. Did you hear about the 'special needs' women that terrorists loaded up with explosives and then blew them up in a market by remote control?

    When terrorists stop using innocent civilians to protect themselves and do their dirty work then maybe it wouldn't be needed to kill them.

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