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Society|Tue, Jun. 16 2009 09:19 AM EDT

D.C. Board Blocks Gay Marriage Referendum

By Nathan Black|Christian Post Reporter

The D.C. Board of Elections and Ethics rejected a proposal to allow voters to decide on whether the District should recognize same-sex marriages performed elsewhere.

Monday's ruling against a referendum irked pastors and traditional marriage supporters who want the people to be able to decide on the critical moral and social issue.

"The real human rights issue at stake in this decision is whether the people of D.C. will be given their right to vote," Bishop Harry Jackson of Hope Christian Church in Beltsville, Md., told The Washington Post. "We are not going to sit still for allowing an unelected board of bureaucrats to deny voters their rightful say on this issue and, by their action, allow the institution of marriage to be radically redefined."

Jackson and a group of primarily African American pastors along with conservative family groups have been pushing for a referendum since the Washington, D.C. Council voted last month to recognize same-sex marriages performed in other jurisdictions.

The elections board, however, ruled that a referendum would authorize discrimination against gays and lesbians, which is prohibited by the District's Human Rights Act.

Under D.C. law, referendums cannot violate the city's human rights laws.

"The Referendum's proposers would, in contravention of the HRA, strip same-sex couples of the rights and responsibilities of marriage that they were afforded by virtue of entering into valid marriages elsewhere," the board stated in its ruling.

Brian Raum, senior legal counsel for the Alliance Defense Fund, said proponents of the referendum will file an appeal Tuesday in D.C. Superior Court.

Raum has argued that the issue is not whether same-sex marriage is good or bad policy, but whether who gets to decide the issue.

Referendum proponents say the people should decide.

The same-sex marriage bill is currently under congressional review and could become law as early as July if the court does not intervene.

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  • Tue Jul 07, 2009 10:33 pm Agree: 0   Disagree: 0

    Has anyone noticed that not only are posts being deleted in massive amounts, but you can't even post any new things quoting another existing post? It comes up as a couple of letters.

    This is too funny that this flagger can't refute the information so they think deleting it moves them to some perceived winning position, LOL

    http://alockslee.blogspot.com/ Censorship isn't practiced on this Blog

    TFR

  • Tue Jul 07, 2009 5:37 pm Agree: 0   Disagree: 0

    Flagged as inappropriate. show The term marriage was simply hijacked by religious groups and given a sacramental element that didn't originally exist. It was the "church" that decided unilaterally to take a purely civil recognition of two people and yes that included same sex couples, Babylonian, Greek, Roman, and many others and the failure of those screaming that it is something that is uniquely religious, which it is certainly not. The concept of marriage is a secular recognition and the use of the term is simply the taking of the term and then converting the meaning (perhaps perverting?) the meaning into something it didn't mean so they could preempt the non religious authorities from recognizing marriages outside of their authority and to force the control of the church and everyone knows the history of the church. The Fundamentalist/Evangelical situation is nothing more than just a recent attempt to force compliance from the people into their belief system and that failed with the earlier Catholic Church's efforts and is an even bigger failure by the fundies. TFR hide

  • Tue Jul 07, 2009 5:37 pm Agree: 0   Disagree: 0

    Flagged as inappropriate. show The problem with discussing the subject of the article with those who refuse to either be reasonable in their religious ideology is impossible since they aren't able to conduct themselves in a reasonable manner due to the programming inherent in their ongoing attendance of their local fundie round up every Sunday. When you feel capable of putting forth an argument contrary to my postings drop by here and see if you can support it in a forum where you can't flag my responses off the site since you know you can't refute me. http://alockslee.blogspot.com/ Remember on the above site you can actually respond as long as you argue the facts and not proselytize and that is something that would be unique to some of those here as it require the ability to think independently of their religious programming. TFR hide

  • Tue Jun 23, 2009 9:46 pm Agree: 0   Disagree: 0

    Tee, hee....

    We had a board meeting for our school tonight and we are looking at a new policy on plagerism.... Yep, I had to ask... "is this policy completely original or did we plagiarize some of it?"

  • Tue Jun 23, 2009 8:39 pm Agree: 2   Disagree: 0

    Flagged as inappropriate. show Thanks DP. I said that Brit is being silly to complain about somebody thumbs-downing her posts while she keeps *deleting* my posts. So she deleted it LOL! hide

  • Mon Jun 22, 2009 3:56 pm Agree: 0   Disagree: 0

    HMs post was only up for 3 minutes! What'd you post???

  • Mon Jun 22, 2009 3:51 pm Agree: 2   Disagree: 0

    Flagged as inappropriate. show Thbbbpt. My post that Brit keeps deleting is merely a question, and a light-hearted one at that. :D hide

  • Mon Jun 22, 2009 12:54 pm Agree: 2   Disagree: 2

    ''They just thumbs down without even reading. That's how Obama got elected!''

    LOL.

  • Mon Jun 22, 2009 12:49 pm Agree: 5   Disagree: 4

    I once posted a question as a thumbs up/down poll. The way I phrased it all the gay folks should have given a thumbs up as well as the Christian folks. I got 3 thumbs down!!!

    They just thumbs down without even reading. That's how Obama got elected!

  • Mon Jun 22, 2009 7:07 am Agree: 0   Disagree: 0

    lol :)

  • Sun Jun 21, 2009 7:16 pm Agree: 0   Disagree: 3

    See? Exhibit A. They are so darn predictable.

  • Sun Jun 21, 2009 6:53 pm Agree: 1   Disagree: 3

    BRIT: The pervs/trolls here give thumbs-down for anything they disagree with, or even WANT to disagree with. Sad, but it should surprise none of the Christians here.

  • Sun Jun 21, 2009 2:47 pm Agree: 2   Disagree: 3

    ''God bless you believer, keep safe.''

    A thumbs down for that, oh dear, oh dear!

  • Sun Jun 21, 2009 9:36 am Agree: 3   Disagree: 2

    God bless you believer, keep safe.

  • Sun Jun 21, 2009 9:27 am Agree: 2   Disagree: 3

    brit, totally agree, but unfortunately I think we all can plead guilty to rationalizing those sins we don't want to let go of or don't want to let go of us. I'm heading to the Southern Baptist Convention's Annual Meeting in Louisville, Kentucky most of this week so I'll not be posting much, but I'll see you guys in a few days.

  • Sun Jun 21, 2009 8:49 am Agree: 3   Disagree: 1

    But this is what they do, because the Bible doesn't say two men can't get married, that means they can, even though the Bible speaks against homo relationships.

    The Bible doesn't say that can't get married to a monkey either, but it does speak against bestiality, so does that mean I can marry a monkey....I would say not, wouldn't you?

  • Sat Jun 20, 2009 7:15 pm Agree: 4   Disagree: 2

    hman, He said keep my commands, Jesus is God and God has declared in His Word that marriage is one man and one woman and sexual intimacy is reserved for one man and one woman who are husband and wife and you will find no scripture where God says otherwise and if you love God you will desire and will keeps His commands in these two areas.

  • Sat Jun 20, 2009 6:02 pm Agree: 2   Disagree: 2

    Someone can go to hell for all eternity for the slightest of sins. It doesn't take the sin of homosexuality or incest or murder to make someone worthy of hell. "For ALL have sinned and come short of the glory of God."

  • Sat Jun 20, 2009 6:00 pm Agree: 3   Disagree: 3

    "You hear, and you quote, but you do not understand what Jesus is saying."

    NO ONE can understand what Jesus is saying without the help of the Holy Spirit, Homo Man. You do not have the Holy Spirit indwelling you, so therefore you cannot comprehend the Lord's will for your life. It's obvious you have some biblical knowledge, but zero spiritual WISDOM.

    "The natural man knows not the things of God, neither CAN he know them because they are SPIRITually discerned."

    You can have all sorts of head knowledge (and it appears you do), but until you are a born-again believer who has repented of his sin, you are apart from God.

  • Sat Jun 20, 2009 5:54 pm Agree: 2   Disagree: 2

    Hm, you are a sinner and you need to be saved.
    I'm not picking on you because you are homosexual, it wouldn't matter even if you were not, you would still need to trust Christ.

    You need to realise you're desperately wicked and on your way to a lost eternity.

    Forget the whole homo thing, there are so many sins that we all commit and if we die without Christ as our Saviour, we are lost for ever.

    Stop arguing with us, and ask God to show you your need.

  • Sat Jun 20, 2009 5:46 pm Agree: 0   Disagree: 1

    ''Yes indeed. You hear, and you quote, but you do not understand what Jesus is saying.''

    Oh, of course he does, I only wish the same could be said for you my dear.

  • Sat Jun 20, 2009 5:45 pm Agree: 1   Disagree: 0

    Flagged as inappropriate. show believer wrote: "Christ also says if you love Me you will keep My commands, to include those commands dealing with both marriage and sexual intimacy!" As you know, that is NOT what Jesus said, and you are just adding your own obsessions. hide

  • Sat Jun 20, 2009 5:44 pm Agree: 1   Disagree: 0

    Flagged as inappropriate. show DP wrote: "You are SO not a StarTrek fan...right? :D" TOS only, if ye ken my meaning. ;-) hide

  • Sat Jun 20, 2009 5:39 pm Agree: 1   Disagree: 0

    Flagged as inappropriate. show JN writes: "'YOU WILL KEEP ON HEARING, BUT WILL NOT UNDERSTAND; YOU WILL KEEP ON SEEING, BUT WILL NOT PERCEIVE" Yes indeed. You hear, and you quote, but you do not understand what Jesus is saying. hide

  • Sat Jun 20, 2009 5:25 pm Agree: 0   Disagree: 0

    As the sinner stands before God's holy law, all he can say is, "I'M GUILTY!" As the believing sinner stands before Jesus Christ, all he can say is, "Praise God! I'M CLEANSED AND FORGIVEN!" What the law could never do, God did by the sending of His own SON (Romans 8:3). Praise God for the LAMB!

    This is the reason why God determined to send His Son to redeem His people.
    Jer 31:33 "But this is the covenant which I will make with the house of Israel after those days," declares the LORD, "I will put My law within them and on their heart I will write it; and I will be their God, and they shall be My people. "
    Eze 11:19 "And I will give them one heart, and put a new spirit within them. And I will take the heart of stone out of their flesh and give them a heart of flesh,
    Eze 11:20 that they may walk in My statutes and keep My ordinances and do them. Then they will be My people, and I shall be their God."

    This is GOD's purpose: Col 1:27 ..to whom God willed to make known what is the riches of the glory of this mystery among the Gentiles, which is Christ in you, the hope of glory..Rom 8:4 That the righteousness of the law might be fulfilled in us, who walk not after the flesh, but after the Spirit.

    Soli Deo Gloria

  • Sat Jun 20, 2009 5:23 pm Agree: 1   Disagree: 0

    Mat 5:17 "Do not think that I came to abolish the Law or the Prophets; I did not come to abolish but to fulfill.
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    Christ's words are so deep and so rich that it will take a lot of searching and meditation to understand and appreciate His work.

    The law is a reflection of God Himself. God is HOLY and JUST and GOOD. So also the laws that God gave to men are HOLY and JUST and GOOD. The law shows forth God's righteous requirements. The problem is that sinful man is unable to do what God's holy law requires. When God's laws are broken there is a penalty that must be paid. We learn the same thing in Romans 6:23 -- "the wages of sin is death."

    The purpose of the law is stated in Rom 3:20 -- "because by the works of the Law no flesh will be justified in His sight; for through the Law {comes} the knowledge of sin." This verse teaches us two important truths:

    The purpose of the law is not to save (JUSTIFY) a person. The purpose of the law is to show a person his sin (make him knowledgeable about his sin) Romans 7:7-14.

    The law cannot save, but it can show a person that he needs to be saved. The law cannot cleanse a person from sin, but it can point out a person's sin. A mirror is not something that can be used to wash yourself, but it sure helps you to see what the problem is!
    The law is holy but the law cannot make a person holy. It can show us how unholy we are. It cannot sanctify us.

    As the sinner stands before God's holy law, all he can say is, "Iâ

  • Sat Jun 20, 2009 3:42 pm Agree: 0   Disagree: 0

    hman, everything was indeed accomplished on the Cross, Christ did all that could or would be done so that a person can choose to be saved, but it is still up to each of us to choose if we'll accept God's plan of salvation or reject it, for those who accept it when we die we'll go to heaven and be with God for all eternity, for those who reject God's plan when they die they will be eternally separated from God in hell for all eternity.

  • Sat Jun 20, 2009 3:37 pm Agree: 0   Disagree: 1

    hman, and Christ also says if you love Me you will keep My commands, to include those commands dealing with both marriage and sexual intimacy!

  • Sat Jun 20, 2009 3:34 pm Agree: 0   Disagree: 0

    hman, all humans are born with a sin nature and sin, there is only one fully human person who did not sin and was not born with a sin nature and that was Christ, but for the rest of us who reach the age of accountability, we need to be saved as a result of our sins. So before a person can be saved they must not necessarily reject Christ but they must come to admit they are a sinner and as a result are separated from God because of their sin.

  • Sat Jun 20, 2009 3:27 pm Agree: 0   Disagree: 0

    mike85, we haven't given serious thought to the Word of God, are you talking to a mirror or what? I have seen on several sites where your knowledge of God's Word is sadly lacking and not just in those areas dealing with homosexuality, so please don't accuse us of not being serious students of God's Word.

  • Sat Jun 20, 2009 3:21 pm Agree: 0   Disagree: 0

    hman, there is much debate as to whether the story of the rich man and Lazarus, not to be confused with the Lazarus who was raised from the dead was a true story or a parable, plus Lazarus was not in heaven, he was in the bosom of Abraham which is the name of the place where those who were going to heaven had to wait until Christ died on the Cross and the gates of heaven would be opened to them.

  • Sat Jun 20, 2009 3:20 pm Agree: 0   Disagree: 1

    Mat 8:20 And Jesus saith unto him, The foxes have holes, and the birds of the air [have] nests; but the Son of man hath not where to lay [his] head.

    Jesus had no home of his own. He was always staying with other people or traveling (outdoors). Not only did he have his 12 traveling with Him but there were also others that traveled with him as was the custom of the day. This is what I meant when I said He was almost always in public. The Bible often speaks of when Jesus went away by Himself to get away from the people. This is what it was talking about.

  • Sat Jun 20, 2009 3:15 pm Agree: 0   Disagree: 0

    "Your universal translator is malfunctioning...."

    "Daniel, you are so constantly eager to ridicule me for things I did not say."


    You are SO not a StarTrek fan...right? :D

  • Sat Jun 20, 2009 2:32 pm Agree: 1   Disagree: 0

    Hmanwrote:....Maybe the Bible does say somewhere that *all* souls will be sorted out by some criterion and sent to either heaven or hell. But Jesus does not say that in this passage.

    Jesus spoke in parables. This is a parable.
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    yes.... and why parables? Take a look at this:


    Mat 13:10 And the disciples came and said to Him, "Why do You speak to them in parables?"
    Mat 13:11 Jesus answered them, "To you it has been granted to know the mysteries of the kingdom of heaven, but to them it has not been granted.
    Mat 13:12 "For whoever has, to him {more} shall be given, and he will have an abundance; but whoever does not have, even what he has shall be taken away from him.
    Mat 13:13 "Therefore I speak to them in parables; because while seeing they do not see, and while hearing they do not hear, nor do they understand.
    Mat 13:14 "In their case the prophecy of Isaiah is being fulfilled, which says, 'YOU WILL KEEP ON HEARING, BUT WILL NOT UNDERSTAND; YOU WILL KEEP ON SEEING, BUT WILL NOT PERCEIVE;
    Mat 13:15 FOR THE HEART OF THIS PEOPLE HAS BECOME DULL, WITH THEIR EARS THEY SCARCELY HEAR, AND THEY HAVE CLOSED THEIR EYES, OTHERWISE THEY WOULD SEE WITH THEIR EYES, HEAR WITH THEIR EARS, AND UNDERSTAND WITH THEIR HEART AND RETURN, AND I WOULD HEAL THEM.'
    Mat 13:16 "But blessed are your eyes, because they see; and your ears, because they hear.
    Mat 13:17 "For truly I say to you that many prophets and righteous men desired to see what you see, and did not see {it,} and to hear what you hear, and did not hear {it.}
    Mat 13:18 "Hear then the parable of the sower.
    Mat 13:19 "When anyone hears the word of the kingdom and does not understand it, the evil {one} comes and snatches away what has been sown in his heart. This is the one on whom seed was sown beside the road.
    Mat 13:20 "The one on whom seed was sown on the rocky places, this is the man who hears the word and immediately receives it with joy;
    Mat 13:21 yet he has no {firm} root in himself, but is {only} temporary, and when affliction or persecution arises because of the word, immediately he falls away.
    Mat 13:22 "And the one on whom seed was sown among the thorns, this is the man who hears the word, and the worry of the world and the deceitfulness of wealth choke the word, and it becomes unfruitful.
    Mat 13:23 "And the one on whom seed was sown on the good soil, this is the man who hears the word and understands it; who indeed bears fruit and brings forth, some a hundredfold, some sixty, and some thirty."

  • Sat Jun 20, 2009 1:50 pm Agree: 2   Disagree: 0

    Flagged as inappropriate. show JN writes: "The rich man of Luke chapter 16 was in Hades" Ah yes, we are back to that enigmatic Lazarus! :) My understanding of this story is that Jesus is admonishing the High Priest Caiaphas (who has 5 brothers) by referring to his young relative Lazarus (I think he was his nephew, son-in-law, or something like that - i forget - you can check it out yourself. This matches up with the gospel of John which says the beloved disciple was "known to the high priest"). Poor Lazarus starves outside the gate of the high priest and goes to heaven, while the High Priest himself goes to hell! Jesus punches a great jab at the religious hierarchy here. Maybe the Bible does say somewhere that *all* souls will be sorted out by some criterion and sent to either heaven or hell. But Jesus does not say that in this passage. Jesus spoke in parables. This is a parable. hide

  • Sat Jun 20, 2009 1:33 pm Agree: 1   Disagree: 1

    Flagged as inappropriate. show DP writes: "Your universal translator is malfunctioning." Daniel, you are constantly eager to ridicule me for things I did not say. This to me is not indicative of the Holy Spirit working in you, nor of you heeding the message and works of Jesus Christ. I specifically said Hebrew (and discussed Sheol and Gehenna), not Greek (where the word is Hades). By no means did I claim to cover all of eschatology in a 4-line post. Lighten up. :) hide

  • Sat Jun 20, 2009 1:33 pm Agree: 1   Disagree: 0

    Because the word 'grave' is mentioned in the definition of Hades, it is said by some that Hell is the common grave; and from this, the doctrine of soul sleep is derived. My friend, Hades is more than the common grave. The rich man of Luke chapter 16 was in Hades and his soul was not asleep; it was in much turmoil.

    The term Sheol is the Hebrew word for Hell. In the Hebrew language the word Sheol is defined as: Hades or the world of the dead (as is a subterranean retreat). It's accessories and inmates: grave, Hell, pit.

    Hades or Sheol are the Greek and Hebrew terms for the word "Hell." Don't let those who try to impress you with theological terms throw you off track and teach you that Hell is just the common grave. Note some Scriptures where they are used:
    1.) Hades - Luke 16:23; Revelation 20:13.
    2.) Sheol - Isaiah 14:9; Psalm 9:17.
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    The Abyss

    This place is also known by the name "The Bottomless Pit." This compartment of Hell is where Satan will be bound for 1,000 years during the reign of Christ on earth (Revelation 20:1-7). Also during the time of the Great Tribulation period, it will be where the locust-like scorpion creatures will come and torment mankind for five months, (Revelation 9:1-11). The Abyss will not be the eternal home of Satan. He will be loosed from this prison to be judged, then cast into the eternal Hell, the Lake of Fire forever, (Revelation 20:10).
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    The Lake of Fire

    The Lake of Fire is the eternal home of all sin and rebellion. Another name for this place is
    called "Gehenna." At the close of the White Throne Judgment of God, this will be the home of the wicked (Revelation 20:11-15). The Lake of Fire will be the home of those who rebelled against God. There fallen man will be, for all eternity, to suffer the pains of an eternal Hell.

    Satan will be there for all eternity to suffer also. According to the Scripture, Satan will be tormented day and night forever and ever, having no rest. Also, Hades and Sheol will be cast into the eternal Hell. Those who inhabit Hades and Sheol will be resurrected to face God's Judgement, then cast into the Lake of Fire. In the very end of God's judgements, the wicked, Satan, fallen angels and sin will have their home in the Lake of Fire.


    1Th 5:23 Now may the God of peace Himself sanctify you entirely; and may your spirit and soul and body be preserved complete, without blame at the coming of our Lord Jesus Christ.

    GOD BLESS !! :O)

  • Sat Jun 20, 2009 1:32 pm Agree: 0   Disagree: 0

    Great study!
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    Who goes to Hell?

    The Word of God gives us the answer to this question in such detail that there should be no doubt as to who goes to Hell.
    * The wicked (Psalm 9:17).
    * The harlot or prostitute (Proverbs 7:5-27, 9:13-18, 2:18).
    * Those with a lack of knowledge (Isaiah 5:13, 14).
    * Those that have transgressed against God (Isaiah 66:24)
    * The fearful, unbelieving, abominable, idolaters, murderers, sorcerers and all liars (Revelation 21:8).

    There are many more that the Word of God reveals. If you find yourself listed in one of these categories, repent today and give your life to Jesus Christ.


    -----------------------------
    The Five Compartments of Hell
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    1.) Tartarus
    2.) Abraham's Bosom (The Paradise of old)
    3.) Hades or Sheol
    4.) The Abyss (Bottomless Pit)
    5.) The Lake of Fire (Gehenna)
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    Tartarus-

    Tartarus is the Greek form of the word Hell. It is the compartment where fallen angels are kept, reserved in chains of darkness until they are judged by God and cast into the final Hell, the Lake of Fire ( 2Peter 2:4, Jude 1:6).

    "For if God spared not the angles that sinned, but cast them down to Hell (Tartarus), and delivered them into chains of darkness, to be reserved unto judgment;"(2 Peter 2:4)
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    Abraham's Bosom

    Abraham's Bosom is the place referred to as the Paradise of old. It was the compartment where all the righteous dead of the Old Testament were kept. There was no torment or suffering in Abraham's Bosom. It was simply a place of holding until the death and resurrection of Jesus. Jesus paid the price by shedding His blood. At the resurrection of Jesus, Abraham's Bosom was emptied and removed from the heart of the earth and is now located in heaven. All the captives were set free and resurrected (Matthew 27:51-53). The account of Abraham's Bosom is found in the Gospel of Luke, chapter 16 verses 19-31.
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    Hades or Sheol

    This is the place for the wicked after death. When the sinner dies, his spirit and soul go immediately to this place of torment.

    The term Hades is the Greek form of the word Hell. The definition of the word Hades is as follows: the place (or state) of departed souls; the grave; Hell.

    con't

  • Sat Jun 20, 2009 1:14 pm Agree: 1   Disagree: 1

    Flagged as inappropriate. show Daniel, you are so constantly eager to ridicule me for things I did not say. This to me is not indicative of the Holy Spirit working in you, nor of you heeding the message and works of Jesus Christ. I specifically said Hebrew, not Greek. By no means did I claim to cover all of theology in a 4-line post. Lighten up. :) hide

  • Sat Jun 20, 2009 12:39 pm Agree: 0   Disagree: 0

    "Sheol was more frequently translated as 'the grave.' It just means "the grave."

    The word Hades appears 11 times in the KJV. 10 times it is translated as "hell". 1 time it is translated as "grave".

  • Sat Jun 20, 2009 12:36 pm Agree: 1   Disagree: 0

    sheowl

    1) sheol, underworld, grave, hell, pit
    a) the underworld
    b) Sheol - the OT designation for the abode of the dead
    1) place of no return
    2) without praise of God
    3) wicked sent there for punishment
    4) righteous not abandoned to it
    5) of the place of exile (fig)
    6) of extreme degradation in sin

    Now, people use the word hell in many different ways. I've heard people say that something was "funny as hell" which to me would mean that it wasn't funny at all. Just because they named a place on earth "hell" does not mean there is no eternal place of hell for those who do not believe. Please note "without the praise of God". A place void of the praise of God for eternity would be hell in my mind!

    Act 2:27 BECAUSE YOU WILL NOT ABANDON MY SOUL TO HADES, NOR ALLOW YOUR HOLY ONE TO UNDERGO DECAY.

    Please note the word "hades" which is actually the Greek word. It means:

    1) name Hades or Pluto, the god of the lower regions
    2) Orcus, the nether world, the realm of the dead
    3) later use of this word: the grave, death, hell

    The word is not a storage place for bodies and is not used as such in the scripture. It is actually a greek word for what the greeks believed to be a literal place. At the time of The Acts the greeks were using the word Hades to refer to the place where their God of the "the nether world" lived as the word referred to both. Paul, then, correctly used the word to describe a really bad place to spend "life after death".

    Your universal translator is malfunctioning....

  • Sat Jun 20, 2009 10:53 am Agree: 3   Disagree: 0

    Flagged as inappropriate. show There are two Hebrew words that get translated as Hell. Gehenna was and still is a physical location in Israel. In olden times, it was "the trash dump." Bodies were dropped there, and they smelled of fire and brimstone. This was a literal *place*. Google it and you can see photos of it. Sheol was more frequently translated as "the grave." It just means "the grave." hide

  • Sat Jun 20, 2009 10:50 am Agree: 1   Disagree: 0

    Flagged as inappropriate. show DP wrote: "Then why is there hell?" To send the Accuser to it. :)" So, you don't believe any of mankind will go to hell. You think that all of mankind will go to heaven no matter what they do. That position is not Biblical. Jesus Himself said: Jhn 3:15 That whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have eternal life." The way I see it DP, both your interpretation of what I said and your interpretation of what Jesus said are complete errors in reading comprehension and logic. Jesus said "should not perish." He did not say (in this verse) anything about sending people to hell. You might find justification for your claim somewhere else in the Bible, but it is not stated in this verse. hide

  • Sat Jun 20, 2009 10:04 am Agree: 0   Disagree: 0

    "Brit, my relationship with Christ does not come down to your interpretation of what the Bible says, that's why it bothers me so much. You're judging whether or not I have a relationship with Christ based on YOUR interpretation of the Bible, and its not your place."

    If Mike is free to have his own interpretation of the Bible then Brit is free to have an opinion on whether or not his interpretation is correct.

  • Sat Jun 20, 2009 9:45 am Agree: 0   Disagree: 0

    "Try having someone challenge your views, SERIOUSLY challenge your views, and see how you come out. "

    My views are always open to be challenged by the Word of God as written. It is the standard I conform to. If it says something is wrong then it is.

    Even if you only accept Adam and Eve as a story with a point...the point is that you should choose what is right and wrong by what God says and not by what others say or by what you want, feel or think.

  • Sat Jun 20, 2009 9:00 am Agree: 0   Disagree: 0

    ''you all reject what I say because you are sheep who have never had to give serious thought to the Bible. Try having someone challenge your views, SERIOUSLY challenge your views, and see how you come out. It is when you are made to move from the sheep that growth happens. It hurts me that so many of you are sheep who never think, but just go along with the herd.''


    John 10:14-15 I am the good shepherd, I know my sheep and my sheep know me,just as the Father knows me and I know the Father,and I lay down my life for the sheep.

    John 10:27 My sheep listen to my voice, I know them, and they follow me.

  • Sat Jun 20, 2009 6:42 am Agree: 0   Disagree: 0

    ''you all reject what I say because you are sheep who have never had to give serious thought to the Bible. Try having someone challenge your views, SERIOUSLY challenge your views, and see how you come out. It is when you are made to move from the sheep that growth happens. It hurts me that so many of you are sheep who never think, but just go along with the herd.''

    I am a sheep and not a goat, thanks be to God.

    I have been seriously challenged and it only makes us stronger.

  • Sat Jun 20, 2009 6:08 am Agree: 0   Disagree: 0

    "You don't understand that we say all we say to you through love for your soul, I just don't know what else to do."

    Sadly, not much more than many have tried to convey on this site to no avail.

  • Sat Jun 20, 2009 1:29 am Agree: 1   Disagree: 1

    you all reject what I say because you are sheep who have never had to give serious thought to the Bible. Try having someone challenge your views, SERIOUSLY challenge your views, and see how you come out. It is when you are made to move from the sheep that growth happens. It hurts me that so many of you are sheep who never think, but just go along with the herd.

  • Fri Jun 19, 2009 9:16 pm Agree: 0   Disagree: 0

    Like Brit (and others) have said when asked how to know other posters are "saved," by your fruit (and conversation) the Bible says "we will know them."

    Imposters such as Mike and Homo Man can "claim' all they want, but as long as their "fruit" is rotten they will be rejected in the end . . .

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