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World|Fri, Jul. 03 2009 05:40 PM EDT

Baptist, Catholic Bodies Settle on 'Interchurch' Marriage

By Ethan Cole|Christian Post Reporter

After years of discussion, the Baptist and Roman Catholic bodies in Italy signed an agreement on “interchurch” marriage this week.

The agreement, called “A Common Document for a Pastoral Approach to Marriages between Catholics and Baptists in Italy,” addresses issues encountered by such mixed church couples.

In Italy, there are only about 6,400 Baptists who are members of one of the 116 churches of the Christian Evangelical Baptist Union of Italy (UCEBI). By comparison, more than 87 percent of Italy’s 60 million population identify themselves as Roman Catholic.

“As the number of Baptists in Italy is very small, only in a few marriages are both spouses Baptists,” read the UCEBI document accompanying the agreement, according to the Baptist World Alliance. “In fact Baptists often marry Catholics and this becomes an interchurch marriage.

“In order to clarify the situation, it has become necessary to reach an agreement between the Baptist Union and the Catholic Church.”

The agreed on document, which was signed by the head of the UCEBI and the Italian Episcopal Conference (CEI) on Tuesday in Rome, seeks to prepare the mixed church couple for marriage and family life. It also clarifies the relationship between each individual in the marriage and their respective church.

Anna Maffei, president of UCEBI, said the document offers Baptist pastors in Italy a “practical guide” on the confessional differences between the two communities so that these disagreements will not be seen as an obstacle in the couple’s marriage.

Included in the agreement are shared Baptist and Catholic views on marriage, such as God’s creation of man and woman in their reciprocity and the duration of marriage. The document also offers guidelines for mixed couples regarding the Italian civil law, the marriage preparation process, the marriage ceremony, and the raising of children.

“The document is a common step in the journey of ecumenism between the Catholic church and the Baptist churches in Italy in a particularly sensitive field," commented Cardinal Angelo Bagnasco, president of CEI. The document is also "likely to pave the way for further developments,” he said.

Both the general assemblies of the UCEBI and CEI have voted to accept the agreement.

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  • Fri Jul 10, 2009 8:19 pm Agree: 0   Disagree: 0

    HM,


    ..that is funny :O)

  • Wed Jul 08, 2009 12:19 pm Agree: 0   Disagree: 0

    Flagged as inappropriate. show danpat wrote: "I also had an age factor - 36 - 16" I'm sorry for your loss Danpat. So you were married when one of you was 36 and the other was 16? Were you the 16-year old or the 36-year old? hide

  • Tue Jul 07, 2009 5:20 pm Agree: 0   Disagree: 0

    RSR,


    Thanks!

    GOlly, after checking plea4help's post, i misread wverything and now i don't have any idea what he's talking about...lol

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    plea4helpcom » Sun Jul 05, 2009 11:25 pm : 1 : 0 Flag
    What happened to equally joked?

    plea4help.com
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  • Tue Jul 07, 2009 4:16 pm Agree: 0   Disagree: 0

    danpat1,

    Let me convey my sincere sympathy as well. I am sorry for your grief and pray the Lord will comfort you day by day.

  • Tue Jul 07, 2009 4:12 pm Agree: 0   Disagree: 1

    vsedriver,

    Baptists and Catholics are actually part of the same faith/religion (Christianity); they comprise two (of many) denominations within Christianity. They share around 80-90% of their theology, though many feel quite strongly about those areas in which they differ. (See many discussions under various articles.)

    As for why these might marry, with 6400 Baptists in the middle of 52.2 million Catholics, odds are that Baptist young people are going to be attracted to someone who is not Baptist. Though Baptists are considered Christians outside the true church, I'm glad the RCC is recognizing that marrying a Baptist is not so bad. At least most of us take the Bible seriously!

  • Tue Jul 07, 2009 2:32 pm Agree: 0   Disagree: 0

    why would anyone want to marry outside their faith?

  • Tue Jul 07, 2009 9:57 am Agree: 1   Disagree: 0

    Cheisa,
    While saying Jehovahnissi took the 1 Cor. passage out of context, you do the same thing with "Judge ye not"! Matt. 7:1-5 refers to hypocrisy, not evaluating another person's beliefs or actions. Otherwise, how could we do what Jesus commands in the next verse? 7:6 reads, "Do not give what is holy to dogs or toss your pearls before swine...." Same with God's words through Paul in 1 Cor. 5:9-6:10; we could not fulfill these commands unless we judged a person's beliefs and/or actions.

    Or were you just being clever and giving us an example by your evaluation of Nissi?

  • Mon Jul 06, 2009 8:37 pm Agree: 0   Disagree: 0

    Flagged as inappropriate. show Jehovahnissi: "plea4help, I pondered about that,too". Hi Jehovahnissi. The "equally joked" comment sounded a little like a bad joke, so I checked this out and noticed a pattern: http://www.christianpost.com/comments/plea4helpcom hide

  • Mon Jul 06, 2009 10:35 am Agree: 0   Disagree: 0

    cheisa wrote:
    jehovah,2 Cor. 6:14-18 has no application here. To assume that those who don-t adhere to your particular brand of Christianity are not true believers or unrighteous shows a sinful pride on your part. Let God be the judge of who believes Jesus is Lord and lives to do His will. Judge ye not. It's presumptuous hubris and un-christian.

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    THere is no malicious judgement here.

    "Being a baptist or a catholic doesn't necessarily mean that one is truely regenerate. Once a person is truely regenerate and is growing in the grace and knowledge of our Lord then 2 Cor. 6:14-18 must be taken into consideration when he desires to marry.

    Both may be believers that Jesus is the promised Messiah and Christ, and that there is salvation in Him, but yet carnal or have different kinds of categories and doctrinal differences ...this also must be taken into consideration. In other words, we should not become unequally yoked with another, but especially unbelievers. "

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    Not all who profess to be christians are truly regenerate. Only a regenerate person growing in the grace and knowledge of the Lord can discern when it is not wise to be eaually yoked to someone.

    Only GOd can by His grace can lead a person to salvation working in his heart to will and to do that which is pleasing and acceptable in His sight.

    Hbr 13:21... equip you in every good thing to do His will, working in us that which is pleasing in His sight, through Jesus Christ, to whom {be} the glory forever and ever. Amen.

    He is no repecter of persons. CHrist laid down His life for His sheep whereever they may be and all of them will bleieve in Him.


    Jhn 10:15 even as the Father knows Me and I know the Father; and I lay down My life for the sheep.

    Jhn 10:16 I have other sheep, which are not of this fold; I must bring them also, and they will hear My voice; and they will become one flock {with} one shepherd.


    :O)

  • Mon Jul 06, 2009 10:09 am Agree: 1   Disagree: 2

    jehovah,

    2 Cor. 6:14-18has no application here. To assume that those who don't adhere to your particular brand of Christianity are not true believers or unrighteous shows a sinful pride on your part. Let God be the judge of who believes Jesus is Lord and lives to do His will. Judge ye not. It's presumptuous hubris and un-christian.

  • Mon Jul 06, 2009 12:17 am Agree: 0   Disagree: 0

    Dan,

    GOd bless you and your daughter. Daughters need the love of their Dad... :O)

  • Mon Jul 06, 2009 12:13 am Agree: 0   Disagree: 1

    plea4help,

    I pondered about that,too.

    Being a baptist or a catholic doesn't necessarily mean that one is truely regenerate. Once a person is truely regenerate and is growing in the grace and knowledge of our Lord then 2 Cor. 6:14-18 must be taken into consideration when he desires to marry.

    Both may be believers that Jesus is the promised Messiah and Christ, and that there is salvation in Him, but yet carnal or have different kinds of categories and doctrinal differences ...this also must be taken into consideration. In other words, we should not become unequally yoked with another, but especially unbelievers.

  • Mon Jul 06, 2009 12:12 am Agree: 0   Disagree: 0

    "Dan,

    Thanks for sharing your personal testimony and I am sorry for your loss . . . "

    Thanks. I never consider a death a loss but a beginning. She is a great lady and I will see her soon. Even in divorce there are things one can do:
    (1) We agreed never to argue before our child
    [in a way this worked against us--my daughter still asks, "I can't for the life of me see why you and mom got divorced"]
    (2) Since I believe Marriage is a Sacrament I expected it to last for life; so I was shook up; however, a work friend of mine said to me just 5 little words that made it all right-"Be a father to her." And it worked great following his advice.

  • Sun Jul 05, 2009 11:25 pm Agree: 1   Disagree: 0

    What happened to equally joked?

    plea4help.com

  • Sun Jul 05, 2009 9:41 pm Agree: 1   Disagree: 3

    I'm glad to see the leadership of both denominations working together to see the good in each other's faith. I'm not Baptist, but I love the Baptists. God Bless 'em and let's see more unity within Christendom!

  • Sun Jul 05, 2009 7:31 pm Agree: 2   Disagree: 1

    Alert to Fellow Christians:

    Dear Mayor and Councilmembers:

    We the undersigned, respectfully petition you to defend religious freedom by allowing visiting pastors

    of all diverse faiths and denominations, to pray aloud publicly according to the dictates of their own conscience,

    at or before city council meetings, even if they dare to pray aloud publicly "in Jesus name" or invoke their own specific deity.

    Please do not cave-in to atheist intimidation by the enemies of religious liberty, including

    Americans United and the Freedom From Religion Foundation, who are threatening to sue to silence all prayers.

    Please conform your decision to First Amendment precedent which allows Jesus prayers among other rotating diverse prayers,

    as already decided in the 7th Circuit (Hinrichs v. Bosma) and 11th Circuit (Pelphrey v. Cobb County)

    and by the Supreme Court of the United States in two decisions: Marsh v. Chambers and Lee v. Weisman.

    Jesus is not an illegal word, the Bible is not a banned book, and evangelistic speech is not a crime.

    Please simply adopt a policy similar to Tulsa City Council, and declare the prayers are private speech, not government speech,

    or allow the prayers to be said aloud during optionally attended time, just before the first government business is gaveled to order.

    Please allow pro-bono Christian lawyers, from the Alliance Defense Fund or others, to defend your pro-Jesus prayer policy in court.

    We pray to God you will stand with us by taking a courageous stand for liberty, in Jesus' name. Amen."

    PrayinJesusname.org

  • Sun Jul 05, 2009 5:04 pm Agree: 0   Disagree: 1

    Since I was grown up in India, I have watched with horror and disdain, how the "religious hierarchy" did
    create a "denominational iron fence" to regulate the
    innocent believers through various means. The Church could spoil a lot of good marriage relationships, because the
    bride or bridegroom came from a different Christian denominaton,
    other than their own. Thank God, that the iron chain
    is being broken, one link at a time.

  • Fri Jul 03, 2009 11:24 pm Agree: 0   Disagree: 0

    Dan,

    Thanks for sharing your personal testimony and I am sorry for your loss . . .

  • Fri Jul 03, 2009 9:39 pm Agree: 1   Disagree: 0

    Marriage is a lifelong commitment

    "Yes, we view it as a "Sacrament" (nothing higher)

    "where to attend worship, how to raise their children, what to teach their children and which private school will care for their children's education."

    I married a Methodist and had no trouble with the above; these kinds of issues need to be settled "before" the Marriage, not "after." And that is what we did. It worked perfectly. (living with me is not easy)


    and it is much easier when a husband and a wife are of the same faith.

    This is for sure. (I also had an age factor - 36 - 16) My darling died a few years back and now is my "angel" in Heaven still looking down on me, shaking her finger, "No, no. Don't do that!"

  • Fri Jul 03, 2009 7:32 pm Agree: 1   Disagree: 0

    This is an interesting development regarding interfaith marriages; many of these marriages are healthy and vibrant because they have found a common ground but some have been the cause of much trouble and heartache. I personally know a handful of people who have entered into interfaith relationships only to find themselves at odds with their spouse/companion on issues such as - where to attend worship, how to raise their children, what to teach their children and which private school will care for their children's education. I would advice those who are beginning a similar relationship to prayerfully consider these issues BEFORE they move forward. Marriage is a lifelong commitment and it is much easier when a husband and a wife are of the same faith.

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