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Anglican Head: Tensions Within Church Stem from Deep Bonds

By Eric Young|Christian Post Reporter

The head of the Anglican Communion suggested Thursday that the tension between The Episcopal Church and Anglicans abroad stem from the love and need for one another in the worldwide church body.

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    (Photo: Episcopal News Service / Alex Dyer)
    Archbishop of Canterbury Rowan Williams offers a mediation during the July 9 Eucharist at the Episcopal Church's 76th General Convention in Anaheim, California.

“If we – if I – had felt that we could do perfectly well without you, there wouldn't be a problem,” Archbishop of Canterbury Rowan Williams told The Episcopal Church’s 76th General Convention in Anaheim, Calif.

“But the bonds of relationship are deep, for me personally as for many others. And I'm tempted to adapt what St. Paul says to the Corinthians in the middle of a set of tensions no less bitter than what we have been living through and in the wake of challenges from St. Paul a good deal more savage than even the sharpest words from Primates or Councils: 'Why? Because we do not love you? God knows we do.'”

Since the election of The Episcopal Church’s first openly gay bishop in 2003, relations between the U.S. Anglican arm and the rest of the worldwide Anglican Communion have been strained to the point of tearing.

While adherents of the Christian faith have historically taught that homosexuality is a sin according to Scripture, liberal believers say biblical teachings on inclusiveness should take precedence and nullify any such teachings against homosexuality.

Conservative Christians, meanwhile, hold onto the belief that homosexuals should not be allowed to hold positions of leadership within the Church. They also feel that the Church should not bless homosexual relationships, as this would be tantamount to blessing a sinful act.

In his meditation Sunday, Williams confessed that he was filled with both hopes and anxieties in coming to this year’s General Convention.

Episcopal leaders at the convention, which takes place every three years, will be considering a number of resolutions that center around the hotly debated issue of homosexuality.

One new resolution that will be introduced and debated at this year’s General Convention seeks to extend a key marriage ritual to gay and lesbian couples. Another calls on the General Convention to change references in The Episcopal Church's canon laws on marriage from "a man and a woman" to "two adults."

Perhaps the most critical proposal is the one seeking to repeal or retract B033, a resolution passed in 2006 that calls for restraint in ordaining bishops "whose manner of life presents a challenge to the wider church" – mainly noncelibate homosexuals.
Ahead of this month’s convention, Anglican leaders overseas have warned The Episcopal Church against rescinding resolution B033 or passing any resolution that would further put the American church body at odds with the larger Anglican Church.

The Most Rev. Drexel Gomez, the Archbishop of the West Indies and chairman of the Covenant Working Group, said in May that if the General Convention rescinds resolution B033 and removes any barriers to persons involved in same-sex relationships, it will "imperil" the work of the Covenant and will have an impact on the rest of the communion because of the responses others will need to make.

Similarly, Williams on Thursday said that he hopes and prays that there won't be decisions in the coming days that could push Anglicans further apart.

“But if people elsewhere in the Communion are concerned about this, it's because of a profound sense of what the Episcopal Church has given and can give to our fellowship worldwide,” he clarified, listing William Stringfellow, the “greatest Episcopalian theologian and perhaps the greatest American theologian of the twentieth century,” as one of a number of gifts that have come out from The Episcopal Church.

“[W]e are already bound to each other, and our life is invested in each other, in those we see and those we don't, those we like and those we don't,” Williams added.

Earlier in his address, the Anglican leader acknowledged that it has been hard for Anglicans from all sides of the debates and said honestly that he suspects it "will not get much easier."

Still, Williams said he was thankful for The Episcopal Church's willingness to engage with the wider life of the Communion.

“May this gathering be a sign of life in the face of death, a declaration of who we are in Jesus and with one another, in the heart of God the Holy Trinity: chosen friends who, miraculously, know something of that God's longing for what has been made,” he concluded.

The 87th General Convention is scheduled to end next Friday, July 17.

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  • Sat Jul 18, 2009 12:53 am Agree: 0   Disagree: 0

    Dan,

    It is interesting how God's Word turned Rome upside down...isn't it?

  • Sat Jul 18, 2009 12:03 am Agree: 0   Disagree: 0

    "Sola Scriptura - Scripture Alone
    Solus Christus - Christ Alone
    Sola Gratia - Grace Alone
    Sola Fide - Faith Alone
    Soli Deo Gloria - The Glory of God Alone"

    Yes, and all from a defrocked Catholic priest named Martin Luther.
    Strange they would listen to a Catholic...it must be "pick and choose" theology.

  • Sun Jul 12, 2009 12:24 pm Agree: 1   Disagree: 1

    Flagged as inappropriate. show Jehovahnissi, you wrote: "These are God's words..God has given us minds to understand what it says. There comes a point when a person will either believe it or reject it...do you believe it in your heart or not?" So now put your own question to yourself. Leviticus 20:13 instructs you to murder me. It is not a command to me. It is a command to *you* to murder me. Will you murder me? Or do you recognize that this command to murder is not from God? "And a man who lieth with a male as one lieth with a woman; abomination both of them have done; they are certainly put to death; their blood [is] on them." hide

  • Sun Jul 12, 2009 11:02 am Agree: 1   Disagree: 1

    Flagged as inappropriate. show FlaGator wrote: "I am in no way advocating the murder or mistreatment of homosexuals." Well that's a good step. The problem is that the *Bible* advocates murder of homosexuals. (Or alternatively, it does not mean what it appears to mean. For example, maybe it is only referring to male prostitutes in pagan temples, not all gay men. Or maybe it was a command only to the Levites, since this is in Leviticus. Or something along those lines.) So you either have to murder me, or you have to acknowledge that *you* disagree with the Bible on this point (Or alternatively, you disagree with how it is interpreted, etc.) Personally, I am convinced that Leviticus 20:13 is not a command from God. A human being *claimed* it was a command from God, and thus committed blasphemy by calling for murder in God's name. So what about you? From your perspective, which is it? Do you disagree with the Bible on this point? Or do you have a convincing alternative interpretation of Lev 20:13? Or do you think God actually calls for murder? hide

  • Fri Jul 10, 2009 11:32 pm Agree: 3   Disagree: 1

    "HM. Don't get me wrong. I am in no way advocating the murder or mistreatment of homosexuals. I am asking that they do what all sinners have to do and repent of their sins and seek forgiveness. The Lord has categorized homosexual behavior as a sin just has He has labeled sex outside of marriage and indulging in anything that takes ones eyes off of God as sinful. As a slave to my sinful nature I wanted to, among other things, drink heavily and sleep around. I now know that this behavior is not pleasing to the ..."

    A me too. This is very sincere and great post; after all not just homosexual acts are condemned; so are many heterosexual acts - result from abortion, infidelity, fornication, adultery; pretending they are right instead of seeking forgiveness ... which hopefully will lead to salvation.

  • Fri Jul 10, 2009 10:30 pm Agree: 5   Disagree: 1

    HM. Don't get me wrong. I am in no way advocating the murder or mistreatment of homosexuals. I am asking that they do what all sinners have to do and repent of their sins and seek forgiveness. The Lord has categorized homosexual behavior as a sin just has He has labeled sex outside of marriage and indulging in anything that takes ones eyes off of God as sinful. As a slave to my sinful nature I wanted to, among other things, drink heavily and sleep around. I now know that this behavior is not pleasing to the Lord so after coming to Christ I prayed that he take it from me and He did. I still struggle with the urges from time to time but I rely on the strength of a loving and caring God to bring me through these storms and safely out the other side. If I do slip along the way He picks me up and forgives me because He knows that I am weak and He uses my lapse to strengthen me. Deny yourself, pick up your cross and follow Jesus. The fact that you desire Him means you hear His call. Die to your sin and find life in Christ.

  • Fri Jul 10, 2009 10:11 pm Agree: 3   Disagree: 0

    Yes, the Word is true; but the "individual" interpretations are false. So what now. We are stuck.

    Dan, that is why the Holy Spirit gives the gift of discernment to those who have truly accepted Christ as their savior so perhaps we're not as stuck as you think we are. Just because some have taught a different Gospel than the one that was given to us through the Apostles doesn't mean that the truth isn't available to those who seek it. When you listen to a minister or teach speak of something validate it with scripture. Start with the scripture the teacher gave you and validate his/her interpretation of that scripture with other scripture. See if the interpretation holds up. The truth is out there.

  • Fri Jul 10, 2009 10:03 pm Agree: 3   Disagree: 1

    HM: I will not join you in worshiping an evil imaginary idol.

    That is precisely what you are doing. You pick and choose the things you like from the Bible and write off the rest. That is idolatry. You are constructing a God that is pleasing to you and not looking at the real God. The Sovereign Lord has the power to remove from the Bible those passages which He doesn't agree with, yet those passages have lasted for 3,000+ years. If a man wrote them then why did God chose to leave them? Why would God let them stand knowing they would be used to justify abuse and worse of homosexuals? Seems like the loving god you worship may not be so loving after all.

  • Fri Jul 10, 2009 8:35 pm Agree: 1   Disagree: 1

    dan,


    These are God's words..God has given us minds to understand what it says. There comes a point when a person will either believe it or reject it...do you believe it in your heart or not? (That is the question)

    Lev 18:22 Thou shalt not lie with mankind, as with womankind: it [is] abomination.

    Hbr 13:4 Marriage [is] honourable in all, and the bed undefiled: but whoremongers and adulterers God will judge.


    Sola Scriptura - Scripture Alone
    Solus Christus - Christ Alone
    Sola Gratia - Grace Alone
    Sola Fide - Faith Alone
    Soli Deo Gloria - The Glory of God Alone


    http://www.monergism.com/directory/link_category/Five-Solas/

  • Fri Jul 10, 2009 7:29 pm Agree: 0   Disagree: 1

    These denominations crack me up!...how about biblical doctrines, period!

    Can some of you help me by giving me ideas on what to do? I am going through a terrible financial plight at the moment.

    You can read more at: www.plea4help.com

    God bless!

  • Fri Jul 10, 2009 7:29 pm Agree: 0   Disagree: 3

    "JN writes: "God's truth is ; Homosexuality is an abomination"

    No JN. That is *your* truth. You are confusing your opinion with God's truth."

    How can this be true...both posits when they say opposite things?...so much for Sola Scriptura. (Why isn't his Holy Spirit just as good as your Holy Spirit?

    This sounds like Pontius Pilate, "Truth? Your truth or my truth."

  • Fri Jul 10, 2009 7:25 pm Agree: 1   Disagree: 2

    "THE MOST REVEREND! It burns me ALIVE!"

    No that may come later.

  • Fri Jul 10, 2009 7:23 pm Agree: 0   Disagree: 0

    "As Christians we must stand firm by the Word no matter what the individual cost might be..."

    Yes, the Word is true; but the "individual" interpretations are false. So what now. We are stuck.

  • Fri Jul 10, 2009 7:21 pm Agree: 0   Disagree: 0

    "Check out the idol around his neck. Here is a word of wisdom, anytime you see someone speaking about the scriptures and they have an idol hanging around their neck, turn around and walk the other way. They are a false prophet..."

    Yes, she (Prophet) is on this very site. Those graven images ... like the Angel statues God demanded be put on the Ark of the Covenant...why, those "idols."

  • Fri Jul 10, 2009 6:29 pm Agree: 1   Disagree: 2

    Flagged as inappropriate. show FlaGator wrote: "do you just "feel" that God wouldn't disprove of homosexuality?" The verse does not say "God disapproves." It says "MURDER PEOPLE." God did not say that, because God is good. Some human being wrote it, and claimed the name of God, literally taking God's name in vain. If you think God did call for murder, then you worship an evil so-called "god" like Molech. That is a completely different religion from Christianity, based on appeasing an evil "god." I will not join you in worshiping an evil imaginary idol. I refuse to worship evil not merely because that "god" is imaginary, but also because the act of worshipping evil makes you an instrument of evil in the world. hide

  • Fri Jul 10, 2009 6:16 pm Agree: 0   Disagree: 0

    Flagged as inappropriate. show idtl wrote: "JN quoted the truth, but you say it is not the truth. WHY DID SOMEONE GIVE ME A THUMBS DOWN FOR THIS POSTING??? I ASKED A QUESTION." idtl, you asked a question, but you also made some declarative statements that someone might disagree with. Maybe that's why somebody gave you a thumbs down? :-) You also sound sarcastic. hide

  • Fri Jul 10, 2009 3:39 pm Agree: 0   Disagree: 0

    Homosexual Man
    What god are you referring to? And what truth are you referring to? Please enlighten me. I'm all ears.

    JN quoted the truth, but you say it is not the truth Intriguing. What is the truth HM and who is the author?

    WHY DID SOMEONE GIVE ME A THUMBS DOWN FOR THIS POSTING??? I ASKED A QUESTION. ROFL

  • Fri Jul 10, 2009 2:36 pm Agree: 2   Disagree: 1

    The Archbishop of Canterbury is a confused man who is too concerned with appeasing everybody than with taking a stand for the Word regardless of the consequences to himself or the Anglican Communion. As Christians we must stand firm by the Word no matter what the individual cost might be. Christ may not desire physical warriors but He does not call for cowards either. Meek does not mean being a doormat for heretics.

  • Fri Jul 10, 2009 2:29 pm Agree: 0   Disagree: 0

    HomosexualMan: God did *not* say this. Some murderous human being wrote it because he wanted to kill people.

    Can you prove this or do you just "feel" that God wouldn't disprove of homosexuality?

  • Fri Jul 10, 2009 2:12 pm Agree: 1   Disagree: 1

    Do you think the head of the anglican church is a godly man? Think again.

    Check out the idol around his neck. Here is a word of wisdom, anytime you see someone speaking about the scriptures and they have an idol hanging around their neck, turn around and walk the other way. They are a false prophet. It's the same spirit which infected the Israelites at the base of Mt. Sinai. I believe about 3000 of them died that day. oh dear

  • Fri Jul 10, 2009 1:18 pm Agree: 0   Disagree: 3

    Homosexual Man
    What god are you referring to? And what truth are you referring to? Please enlighten me. I'm all ears.

    JN quoted the truth, but you say it is not the truth Intriguing. What is the truth HM and who is the author?

  • Fri Jul 10, 2009 1:14 pm Agree: 0   Disagree: 2

    "the Archbishop of Canterbury, the Most Rev. Rowan Williams,"

    WHAT! You have got to be joking! The most reverend!!!!! THE MOST REVEREND! Who are these people and what exactly are they preaching. They lead these people like a cow is lead to the slaughter. I am so exceedingly angry! What in G-ds holy name is going on in this world! How come people aren't decrying these blasphemous sects. This is blatant demon worship and they cover it with the notion it is of G-d!

    I know the spirit of lawlessness is at work and has been at work for 2000 years but this is getting too deep! I mean this guy is definitely an antichrist the apostle mentioned. THE MOST REVEREND! It burns me ALIVE!

  • Fri Jul 10, 2009 1:06 pm Agree: 1   Disagree: 2

    Flagged as inappropriate. show Leviticus 20:13 says: "they are certainly put to death; their blood [is] on them." God did *not* say this. Some murderous human being wrote it because he wanted to kill people. People lie, and when they want to kill somebody, they use God's name in vain to justify it. hide

  • Fri Jul 10, 2009 12:50 pm Agree: 3   Disagree: 0

    So God created man in his own image, in the image of God created he him; MALE and FEMALE created he them (Genesis 1:27).

  • Fri Jul 10, 2009 12:43 pm Agree: 2   Disagree: 0

    Then Jesus said to his disciples, If anyone would come after me, he must deny himself and take up his cross and follow me.

    Matthew 16:24

  • Fri Jul 10, 2009 12:31 pm Agree: 3   Disagree: 1

    HM,

    Lev 18:22 Thou shalt not lie with mankind, as with womankind: it [is] abomination.

    Hbr 13:4 Marriage [is] honourable in all, and the bed undefiled: but whoremongers and adulterers God will judge.

    This is GOd's Word.
    God is truth.

    :O)

  • Fri Jul 10, 2009 11:27 am Agree: 1   Disagree: 3

    Flagged as inappropriate. show JN writes: "God's truth is ; Homosexuality is an abomination" No JN. That is *your* truth. You are confusing your opinion with God's truth. hide

  • Fri Jul 10, 2009 10:37 am Agree: 2   Disagree: 1

    For there must also be factions among you, so that those who are approved may become evident among you. 1 cor 11:19
    ---------------------------------------------------------

    Why isn't God's Word the Final Authority among you and rather, as individuals, in your own experience and reasoning, find truth and final authority in yourselves.? Why rely solely upon man's reasoning in all areas dealing with spirituality or matters of right or wrong. I say though, what does the Bible teach us Christians?

    "God forbid: yea, let God be true, but every man a liar..." Romans 3:4

    "For they being ignorant of God's righteousness, and going about to establish their own righteousness, have not submitted themselves unto the righteousness of God." Romans 10:3

    What the Bible teaches us is that we, as sinful human beings, are not qualified to make our own moral laws (Proverb 20:24). "The heart is deceitful above all things, and desperately wicked: who can know it?" (Jeremiah 17:9). We must trust in God...

    "It is better to trust in the LORD than to put confidence in man." Psalms 118:8

    We are sinners deserving of Hell; but by the Grace of God we can be saved from Hell (Ephesians 2:8,9). We must obey the True Final Authority -- The Word of God! God intended for our life to be much more than just eat, drink, and be merry...

    "But he answered and said, It is written, Man shall not live by bread alone, but by every word that proceedeth out of the mouth of God." Matthew 4:4

    We as humans are prone to wrath and rebellion (Ephesians 2:2,3). So why base our final authority on frail human experience and reasoning, when there is an Omnipotent and Holy God up in Heaven who is Perfect? No where does God's Word state that we should base our Final Authority on human experience and reasoning! But the Scriptures do always point to God as being our Final Authority! Besides, man will die one day (Romans 6:23); BUT, God's Word will never die (Psalm 119:89). Why base our final authority upon ourselves, when we will die one day because of our sins? God's Word will never die...

    "Being born again, not of corruptible seed, but of incorruptible, by the word of God, which liveth and abideth for ever." 1st peter 1:23

    It's only logical that the our Final Authority should be God's Word!

    con't

  • Fri Jul 10, 2009 10:36 am Agree: 2   Disagree: 1

    "Wherefore come out from among them, and be ye separate, saith the Lord, and touch not the unclean thing;..." II Cor. 6:17).

    From the very beginning of time God warned His people to separate themselves from evil. Not only were they to not become engulfed in evil, they were not even to touch it. In the Garden of Eden God warned Adam and Eve of the danger of becoming involved in sin. In reference to the fruit on the tree of knowledge of good and evil that was in the midst of the garden, God said, "...Ye shall not eat of it, neither shall ye touch it, lest ye die" (Gen. 3:3).

    God's truth is ; Homosexuality is an abomination. Gay marriage is unholy and an abomination.

    Separate means to be unconnected, not united, or distinct. If we want to follow Jesus, we must fry to do as He did. Jesus was "...holy, harmless, undefiled, separate from sinners, ..." (Heb. 7:26).

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