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Senate OKs Hate Crimes Amendment to Must-Pass Defense Bill

By Lawrence D. Jones|Christian Post Reporter

The Senate voted Thursday to attach a hate crimes bill as an amendment to a must-pass defense spending bill expected to be completed next week.

If passed in its current form, the legislation would expand federal hate crimes to include those perpetrated against people because of gender, sexual orientation, gender identity or disability. It would also remove restrictions on federally protected activities.

"The Senate made a strong statement this evening that hate crimes have no place in America," Senate Majority Leader Harry Reid (D-Nev.) said after Thursday’s vote.

One day earlier, Sen. John McCain (R-Ariz.) rebuked fellow lawmakers for circumventing standard protocol and adding a non-related amendment to a bill that seeks to provide additional support for U.S. troops.

“The underlying bill authorizes a 3.4 percent pay raise for all military personnel, provides billions in funding for new equipment for our men and women in uniform and offers billions of dollars for new technologies to keep our armed forces safe from our enemies. Are members willing to jeopardize these essential provisions for our troops by pushing unrelated amendments?” the former presidential contender asked.

The hate crimes bill, which passed the House in a similar version in April, enjoys solid support in the Democrat-controlled Senate and is backed by President Obama.

But critics say the legislation – sometimes referred to as the “thought crimes” legislation – raises more questions than answers and could be one step on “a slippery slope toward religious persecution.”

“Hate crimes legislation ... would elevate homosexuals who are victims of violent crimes to special, protected status under the law based on their ‘actual or perceived sexual orientation or gender identity,’” noted Dr. Richard Land, president of the Southern Baptist Convention’s Ethics & Religious Liberty Commission.

“But that’s just the beginning,” he continued. “It would lay the groundwork for prosecuting Christians who share their biblical beliefs against homosexuality. This dangerous bill must be stopped!”

In his comments Wednesday on the Senate floor, McCain said it would be “absolutely wrong” to treat identical crimes differently depending on the police officer or prosecutor’s determination of the political, philosophical, or even religious beliefs of the offender.

The senator emphasized that crimes motivated by “hate” deserve vigorous prosecution, but so do crimes motivated by absolute wanton disregard for life of any kind.

“I believe that all crimes should be vigorously prosecuted in order to protect one of our most fundamental rights – the right to be free from physical harm,” McCain stated. “And I believe that anyone who is motivated by hatred and commits a crime should be prosecuted just as vigorously as anyone who is motivated by absolute wanton disregard for life.”

Despite McCain’s statement, the Senate approved the measure by a 63-28 voice vote. The 28 no votes were all Republicans. Five Republicans voted for it, giving supporters the 60 votes they needed.

Though Republicans will have the opportunity to propose several more changes to the hate crimes bill on Monday, the changes would not affect its status as part of the $680 billion defense bill.

Passage of the bill would effect the most significant extension of hate crimes law since Congress first acted in 1968 after the assassination of Martin Luther King Jr.

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  • Tue Aug 11, 2009 2:55 am Agree: 1   Disagree: 0

    Flagged as inappropriate. show http://www.blowthetrumpet.org/IsHomosexualityaMentalDisorder.htm Why is it that everything that has something do with homosexuals has to be done by the backdoor? hide

  • Sun Jul 26, 2009 4:24 pm Agree: 0   Disagree: 0

    hman, you are correct telling me the rich are going to pay more does not help if I have to pay more as well and this healthcare initiative will not help those of us who are making enough from still having to purchase health insurance. This will help the uninsured and perhaps give some help to the underinsured, but not to those of us who are paying high amounts for health insurance now and then will see higher taxes on top of that.

  • Sun Jul 26, 2009 12:19 pm Agree: 3   Disagree: 3

    Flagged as inappropriate. show "how is telling me the rich are being taxed far more than I am going to help me pay my bills" Obviously, *telling* you the rich are taxed more doesnt help anything. The problem is that you *currently* have to pay an unreasonable proportion of your income for health care and health insurance. (And the rich do not.) That is, if you have it at all. A very large proportion of Americans cant afford health care and insurance at all. This is exactly the situation Jesus was talking about when they watched the widow paying all that she had, while the rich paid money they would never miss. It is easily within our reach to fix this problem. The rich in this country get rich *only* because we provide them the system to make it happen. They do not do it by themselves. They do not independently "deserve" to be rich as rich as we make them. It is in their own best interest to help maintain a healthy country. The irony is that rich people seem to favor this more than the middle and lower middle class. Or maybe its not ironic. They have taken the time to look at the situation and they recognize that its the right thing to do. :-) hide

  • Thu Jul 23, 2009 8:56 pm Agree: 2   Disagree: 2

    hman, your 6:01 post is about as clear as mud and has absolutely nothing to do with this conversation about taxes. As far as caring for the sick and poor, I am very active in doing just that in several ways to include serving as one of the coordinators for RAM events. And raising taxes on the middle class will not necessarily help the sick and poor and in fact may simply increase the poor population in our nation.

  • Thu Jul 23, 2009 8:51 pm Agree: 1   Disagree: 2

    hman, your logic on taxes makes no sense, what does it matter if the rich are taxed more than others if by raising my taxes I cannot pay my bills, how is telling me the rich are being taxed far more than I am going to help me pay my bills which I cannot pay because my taxes have been raised to pay for universal healthcare.

  • Thu Jul 23, 2009 6:49 pm Agree: 2   Disagree: 2

    ""Thou shalt love thy neighbor as thyself." - Matthew 22:39"

    Once again, this is person to person and not the government doing the providing. Where does Jesus say the government should be providing universal health care?

  • Thu Jul 23, 2009 6:09 pm Agree: 4   Disagree: 3

    Flagged as inappropriate. show DP wrote: "Now that Ive answered your question... your turn. Your statement was "I believe in the goals that Jesus taught; you preach against them." Please show me chapter and verse that says universal health care was a goal of Jesus." "Thou shalt love thy neighbor as thyself." - Matthew 22:39 hide

  • Thu Jul 23, 2009 6:03 pm Agree: 4   Disagree: 1

    Flagged as inappropriate. show "the middle class will have a hard time with any increase in taxes regardless" The more the middle class works for its OWN best interest, instead of the best interest of the richest 1% of the population, the more those taxes will be on the rich instead of the rest of us. hide

  • Thu Jul 23, 2009 6:01 pm Agree: 4   Disagree: 1

    Flagged as inappropriate. show believer, there is ALMOST NOTHING in the Bible against the Gayze. There are dozens if not hundreds of verses about caring for the sick and the poor. You are being used as a pawn by the super-super-rich to vote to help THEM at your own expense. They are spending their money TRICKING you into thinking that the message of the Bible is that Gay people go to Hell, so that you will vote Republican. And you are drinking it right up. That is NOT the message of the Bible. hide

  • Thu Jul 23, 2009 5:59 pm Agree: 1   Disagree: 1

    hman, having lived in Holland I can tell you that is not necessarily true and while the rich may be taxed more than the middle class, the middle class will have a hard time with any increase in taxes regardless of how much more the rich are taxed than they are.

  • Thu Jul 23, 2009 5:58 pm Agree: 3   Disagree: 1

    Flagged as inappropriate. show Here is how I see the current situation. The people who need universal health care the most are the middle and lower middle class. But they are selectively being tricked into working against it by the rich. Rich people are fooling you into thinking that universal health care is the Anti-Christ. hide

  • Thu Jul 23, 2009 5:56 pm Agree: 1   Disagree: 2

    mike85, if a person comes to believe the Word of God does teach that the sexual practices of homosexuality is a sin then those practices do indeed become inappropriate behavior for them and not necessarily an out of control behavior. So if they are attempting to stop what they consider inappropriate behavior they will be most successful if they find a Christ-centered ministry that uses a program based on the 12 steps which are based on biblical principles for overcoming sin and the temptations that lead to them.

  • Thu Jul 23, 2009 5:55 pm Agree: 3   Disagree: 0

    Flagged as inappropriate. show believer wrote: "maybe you can afford to pay those extra taxes" This is exactly the point. The taxes SHOULD be higher on people with more income. LOL I want to write about the mite which belongs to the widow, but cannot use an apostrophe... :D hide

  • Thu Jul 23, 2009 5:51 pm Agree: 0   Disagree: 0

    mike85, yes it will not post your post if you use contractions!

  • Thu Jul 23, 2009 5:51 pm Agree: 3   Disagree: 1

    Believer, no, it is not! YOU have decided that being gay is inappropriate and I cant even fathom how they would get out of control. Alcoholism destroys family and no good can come of it. My coming out has found me peace, has brought my family closer together because we communicate more, and has blessed my life with my partner. Nope, no similarities to alcoholism there!

    Slacker, I have, many times, which is why I know it is your breed that adds to what the Bible says.

    DP, homosexuality is not a learned behavior anymore than heterosexuality is, not to mention I grew up in a Catholic household and never met a gay person until after I was having a same sex attraction and after shows like Will and Grace were on the air, so I wonder where I learned it from?

  • Thu Jul 23, 2009 5:50 pm Agree: 1   Disagree: 1

    hman, maybe you can afford to pay those extra taxes, but many people I know are so heavily taxed now that is one of the reasons if not the main reason they cannot afford to buy health insurance for them or their family.

  • Thu Jul 23, 2009 5:45 pm Agree: 0   Disagree: 2

    ggirl, one way the problem is being remedied is through events like RAM(Remote Area Medical)Events which provide free dental, optical, and medical care to the uninsured and underinsured. We had one in our county and were able to provide services for 830 people totally free of charge to them.

  • Thu Jul 23, 2009 5:45 pm Agree: 0   Disagree: 0

    Flagged as inappropriate. show believer and gg: Yep, it is the apostrophes :) hide

  • Thu Jul 23, 2009 5:43 pm Agree: 3   Disagree: 0

    Flagged as inappropriate. show Ggirl - Exactly! Another way of looking at it - Let us say in any given year, 1 person in 100,000 is going to get cancer X. They are going to need treatment costing $100,000. If they get the treatment they live; if they do not get it they die. Even if I do not care at all about other human beings, I would rather live in a system where I pay $1 a year to cover that treatment for the person who needs it. Granted there are administrative costs, and there should be some limitation on that. So let us say I would pay an extra 20%, a dollar and twenty cents. The fact is, I get even more benefit, because there are people I care about who will also stand to benefit. In addition I benefit even more, because society at large is more stable; there are people who benefit who I do not even know but who in some way make my life better, like running the electric plant. hide

  • Thu Jul 23, 2009 5:42 pm Agree: 0   Disagree: 0

    ggirl, I am finding that for some reason contractions are keeping posts from being posted. But when these taxes are too high then people will suffer in other ways. There are ways to provide medical needs than by overtaxing the working class.

  • Thu Jul 23, 2009 4:25 pm Agree: 3   Disagree: 0

    grumbles I have typed this three times - keep forgetting to copy it before hitting submit. Ok so here is again; though I too do not want to have higher taxes, if it means those I love can see a doctor, get much needed medications, have a needed lifesaving surgery, then I would do it. It is the right thing to do. We have to help our fellow countrymen and the least among us and I think having this national conversation is the way to find a route to do just that without it being the menace many fear. Of course I dont think it will be all blue skies either. But it has to be better than the system we have now. Peoples lives are being hurt because of previous leaders doing nothing. We cant afford to do nothing.

  • Thu Jul 23, 2009 4:02 pm Agree: 3   Disagree: 1

    Flagged as inappropriate. show Hyperion wrote: "I am an artist who brings out the best in everyone around me, I inspire people! So as far as God is concerned, because I chose Him over myself, I will see His light and bask in His inspiration forever! "The wrong shall fail, the right prevail!" -Vegandarae" Much love to you Hyperion! :-) hide

  • Thu Jul 23, 2009 3:58 pm Agree: 0   Disagree: 0

    ggirl, my wife and I lived in Europe for over seven years and while we received good medical care on the local economy the taxes heaped on the Dutch in Holland specifically were unbelievable which his exactly what will happen in our nation if we adopt the universal healthcare initiative presented by the President.

  • Thu Jul 23, 2009 3:42 pm Agree: 2   Disagree: 0

    HM - Back atcha! I have hope and faith that only good things can come from honest conversation and the desire to do the right thing. :)

  • Thu Jul 23, 2009 3:41 pm Agree: 2   Disagree: 1

    Flagged as inappropriate. show Hyperion, even though you choose to stand at the gates in total darkness where there is gnashing of teeth, we can still work together to further the Kingdom of Heaven. May the blessings of God be upon you. :-) hide

  • Thu Jul 23, 2009 3:24 pm Agree: 2   Disagree: 0

    Flagged as inappropriate. show Yes, hugs gnosticgirl! And DP, Slacker, and HO too. :) hide

  • Thu Jul 23, 2009 3:22 pm Agree: 3   Disagree: 1

    Flagged as inappropriate. show LOL dp. Yes, I seriously and genuinely believe that this (healing the sick, feeding the poor, social justice, and running water for everyone, not just the rich) is what Jesus meant when He spoke of bringing the Kingdom of Heaven to Earth. :-) hide

  • Thu Jul 23, 2009 3:17 pm Agree: 2   Disagree: 0

    DP, I was in Asia and my friends in Alberta. I am just glad we are having the conversation, in the end. I think it is an issue needing our attention and I have faith with this conversation and the desire to move in a good direction, that we eventually will. Even if the result is not perfect, my hope is for it to at least be better than it is now. :)

  • Thu Jul 23, 2009 3:12 pm Agree: 0   Disagree: 0

    "DP - I am sorry your sister has had trouble."

    My sister was a nurse in Canada. I'm glad you didn't have problems I guess it depends on where you are and what you are needing to have done. Where she was in western Canada...it wasn't pretty.

  • Thu Jul 23, 2009 3:10 pm Agree: 1   Disagree: 0

    "Jesus ... commanded them ... Heal the sick."

    That was a command to the 12 disciples. Are you saying the government are the disciples of Christ? With that in mind...have you lost yours???

  • Thu Jul 23, 2009 3:02 pm Agree: 2   Disagree: 1

    Flagged as inappropriate. show DP wrote: "Now that I've answered your question... your turn... Please show me chapter and verse that says universal health care was a goal of Jesus." Matthew 10: 5-8 "Jesus ... commanded them ... Heal the sick." hide

  • Thu Jul 23, 2009 2:03 pm Agree: 2   Disagree: 0

    Slacker I am not sure where you get the idea that I said there is no divinity in god... you really have not read my posts. That's a shame. I have numerous versions of the bible, btw - The Jerusalem Bible, The Book, KJV, NIV, Gideon... just to list a few. I also have Hebrew / Greek direct translations and additional texts such as the Apocrypha and other texts not included in one or both of the Catholic Bible and the Protestant Bibles. You know what I found, they all are varying translations - which can lead to different interpretations. I also know that many of the current bibles list words in the masculine even though a number of words in Hebrew were actually feminine in their intent and meaning. Again - further proof of change. There is also words like poisoner, later translated to witch, again interesting:) There is more btw. But still I say, even these things do not necessarily negate the bible, it just means we must look deeper.

  • Thu Jul 23, 2009 1:51 pm Agree: 2   Disagree: 0

    Slacker - I am sorry you missed my point entirely on the interpretation / translation comment.

    I disagree with your assessment of Healthcare - it has worked in other places and still does - AND though nothing is perfect, I believe we can make continued improvements. People are suffering, doing nothing means nothing gets done. Creating conversation and action towards the greater good, means things get moving... something have not had in this country in years.

  • Thu Jul 23, 2009 1:49 pm Agree: 1   Disagree: 0

    Let me also add - if we had more competition, lower health care costs, making admin costs lower (i.e. greening offices), and supporting / promoting healthy living.... the end result might be much better than we all anticipate. I like my insurance, so would not change, but others are not so lucky - having a government option would be nice for them.

  • Thu Jul 23, 2009 1:48 pm Agree: 0   Disagree: 2

    "DP - I am sorry your sister has had trouble. However, I have friends in Canada who have had no problems. I also have lived overseas in a country with Universal Health Care and never once had any problem getting the medicine or procedure needed. I think it is a fear unfounded, as if past UHC systems have had issues, we can use them as examples to make it work better here. On another note: I also think it is not just a church's responsibility to aid people and I most certainly do not agree that only people of a particular religion get health aide. "

    If it doesn't work elsewhere why would it work here, our politians aren't any better and are probably a lot more corrupt...

  • Thu Jul 23, 2009 1:45 pm Agree: 0   Disagree: 2

    "Slacker I appreciate what you have said here, but I would like to address this particular statement. Interpretation is the natural process of learning and discovery. Information is always interpreted, just as the bible over the course of its being has been interpreted and reinterpreted, translated and retranslated."

    Translation and interpretation are two seperate subjects and are not in anyway the same. Translating one language into another cannot be compared to changing scripture to accept aborant lifestyles, which not only in the translated english but the original greek and hebrew text as well...

  • Thu Jul 23, 2009 1:45 pm Agree: 2   Disagree: 0

    DP - I am sorry your sister has had trouble. However, I have friends in Canada who have had no problems. I also have lived overseas in a country with Universal Health Care and never once had any problem getting the medicine or procedure needed. I think it is a fear unfounded, as if past UHC systems have had issues, we can use them as examples to make it work better here. On another note: I also think it is not just a church's responsibility to aid people and I most certainly do not agree that only people of a particular religion get health aide.

  • Thu Jul 23, 2009 1:38 pm Agree: 1   Disagree: 1

    "The bible has changed and continues to change."

    No Bible i know of "contintues to change" as you put it, what bible do you read, is it the same one that says that there is divinity in Women and not in God...

  • Thu Jul 23, 2009 1:35 pm Agree: 0   Disagree: 1

    Now that I've answered your question... your turn.

    Your statement was "I believe in the goals that Jesus taught; you preach against them." Please show me chapter and verse that says universal health care was a goal of Jesus.

  • Thu Jul 23, 2009 1:33 pm Agree: 1   Disagree: 0

    "Where do you stand on universal health care? "

    I stand with Jesus on universal health care. Jesus healed people who had faith. Those who did not didn't even bother to come to Jesus.

    Now...my wife works at a Catholic hospital that does not turn away anyone in need...period. People support the hospital to make up what they have to write off every year because the government run health care programs (medicaid/medicare) fail in their obligations. As a member of the hospitals foundation group I do have some knowledge of how bad government run programs in this country already are.

    Government run "universal health care" is a quaint idea but our government will only make things worse. My sister lives in Canada and they will tell you it is the best health care system in the world until you need it. Their waiting rooms are full of "well" people who will sit sometimes for days waiting in line for the "sick" person.

    Obama's "universal health care" is seriously flawed and will NOT improve healthcare by any means.

    Now, with that said, I once heard a singer by the name of Keith Green say the reason we have welfare in this country is because the Church is failing in its obligations to the Gospel. Obama's "universal health care" is the governments attempt to take up the responsibility of the Church. THAT is something that has never worked in the past. The government needs to stop getting in the way of the church and let it do it's work.

    Did you know that if a person wants to pay towards someone's medical bills through the church that they cannot do that directly as it is a tax violation? Ain't that amazing?

    The government is to be our servant...not our daddy.

  • Thu Jul 23, 2009 12:17 pm Agree: 1   Disagree: 0

    Flagged as inappropriate. show DP wrote: "Name one...." Where do you stand on universal health care? hide

  • Thu Jul 23, 2009 11:50 am Agree: 1   Disagree: 0

    "You keep throwing up that word 'interpretation', it isn't about interpreting anything it is about accepting what the bible says and not changing it to fit your own life."

    Slacker I appreciate what you have said here, but I would like to address this particular statement. Interpretation is the natural process of learning and discovery. Information is always interpreted, just as the bible over the course of its being has been interpreted and reinterpreted, translated and retranslated. The latest find (ancient bible) shows notes, additions and corrections. So to blindly accept what the bible says without consideration is a bit naive - who is to say the interpretation / translation is without correction, change, cultural bias...etc. The bible has changed and continues to change. HOWEVER - Does this automatically negate all of the bible? NO, I don't think so. I do think knowing this, calls us to search, research, and discuss origins and context in order to better and more correctly apply the teachings within.

  • Thu Jul 23, 2009 11:48 am Agree: 0   Disagree: 0

    "I believe in the goals that Jesus taught; you preach against them."

    Name one....

  • Thu Jul 23, 2009 11:47 am Agree: 1   Disagree: 0

    " You actually *ridicule* efforts to help the sick and the poor and improve social justice."

    You are like SO arrogant to think that social justice is what YOU want it to be. Since I spend much of my time working to help the poor and the sick (I volunteer as a project manager for a national cancer awareness orgainization) and am a volunteer lay advocate for special needs children (and put my money where my mouth is)...your statement is laughable!!!! I guess you are too new to this site to have known this about me!

    Your statement is as legitimate are your arguements for homosexuality...(they're not!). Once again you have NO idea of what you are talking about!!! :D (...and yes...I can't help but have a smile on my face while I post this!) It is YOU that stand in the way of helping the poor and the sick by supporting legislation that, in and of itself, is a hate crime against Christians!

    Christ stood up for what GOD said was right and challenged man's WRONG perception of what was socially right and just. He in NO way laid down what was right so people could feel it was OK to sin.

  • Thu Jul 23, 2009 11:37 am Agree: 1   Disagree: 1

    "Where is your proof that I was not born gay?"

    The APA (which now supports homosexuality) holds to the belief that all behavior is learned. This has been the position since I was in high school in the 70's. Therefore, the APA would be self-contradictary to say you were "born gay". It MUST be a learned behavior. It is a choice. Either that or the APA is nuts and their position saying homosexuality is not an illness is wrong.

    You simply cannot have it both ways.

    Hey, Alockslee...how'd I do for "secular" on that one. (I'm almost afraid to ask....)

  • Thu Jul 23, 2009 11:05 am Agree: 1   Disagree: 1

    "Believer, it is not an issue of whether I care to admit it or not, they are quite dissimilar. Like I keep on saying, you will have sexual desires whether or not you've ever had sex. You WILL NOT have desires to drink or use drugs excessively if you've never used them before."

    That is Exactly whats called Sin, it is a matter of whether you want to turn from it or not that makes the difference, and obviously you don't want to turn from it, If you act on something that goes against God's word it is Sin. Very simple, and as for the idea of conversion, it takes Jesus to Change the heart of a sinner and therefore it takes Jesus to change the heart of someone who is homosexual, with out Jesus in your heart you will not change from your homosexuality and be able to see the lies that are peretrated by the enemy...

  • Thu Jul 23, 2009 11:01 am Agree: 1   Disagree: 1

    Flagged as inappropriate. show "Where is your proof that I was not born gay?" "The bible, maybe you should read it for what it actually says..." Slacker, that's pathetic. Everybody have a great day! :-) hide

  • Thu Jul 23, 2009 10:56 am Agree: 0   Disagree: 0

    "Urging people to vote against legal civil equal rights for your fellow citizens is harrassment."

    Please tell me you don't actually think that is true? I guess Acorn and the RNC, the DNC and all the other lobbying efforts including the lobbying efforts of very people for this bill is then, in your logic, harrassment...

  • Thu Jul 23, 2009 10:53 am Agree: 0   Disagree: 0

    "Slacker, you are so ill-informed it makes my head spin. Where is your proof that I was not born gay? You have to throw out the testimonies of hundreds of thousands of gays and lesbians just so your beliefs match up with what groups like Exodus and NARTH say, and they have EXTREMEMLY pathetic rates of "success." Even Dr. Spitzer says not everyone can change, and there is no need to! Gay people struggle because of extrinsic shame put on us by ignorant folks like yourselves. You're so proud in your interpretation of the Bible that you refuse to hear anything that might refute it. "

    You keep throwing up that word 'interpretation', it isn't about interpreting anything it is about accepting what the bible says and not changing it to fit your own life. Just accept the bible for what it says, or better yet look to Christ for salvation and he will open your eyes to the truth and take away the lies of the enemy...

  • Thu Jul 23, 2009 10:51 am Agree: 0   Disagree: 1

    "Slacker, you are so ill-informed it makes my head spin. Where is your proof that I was not born gay?"

    The bible, maybe you should read it for what it actually says...

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