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Education|Sat, Aug. 29 2009 06:23 PM EDT

Homeschooled Girl Ordered to Attend Public School Over Her 'Rigid' Faith

By Lillian Kwon|Christian Post Reporter

Amanda Kurowski is a 10-year-old homeschooled girl who performs well academically and is socially well-adjusted. But her strong Christian beliefs were reason enough for a New Hampshire court to order her out of homeschooling and into a public school.

The daughter of divorced parents, Amanda has been homeschooled by her mother, Brenda Voydatch since first grade. Her father, Martin Kurowski, is opposed to homeschooling, arguing that it prevents "adequate socialization" for Amanda with other children. He requested that she be placed in a government school.

In the process of renegotiating the terms of a parenting plan for the girl, the Guardian ad Litem – who acts as a fact finder for the court – reported that Amanda was found to "lack some youthful characteristics," partly because "she appeared to reflect her mother's rigidity on questions of faith."

The GAL concluded that Amanda "would be best served by exposure to different points of view at a time in her life when she must begin to critically evaluate multiple systems of belief and behavior and cooperation in order to select, as a young adult, which of those systems will best suit her own needs."

Although there is no dispute that Amanda is excelling academically and is generally interactive with her peers, her religious beliefs were seen as being held a bit too sincerely, Alliance Defense Fund allied attorney John Anthony Simmons explained to The Christian Post.

"What this has become is an assault on the child’s faith," Simmons said.

Judge Lucinda V. Sadler approved the GAL's recommendation earlier this summer and ruled that it would be in Amanda's best interests to attend a public school in the 2009-2010 academic year.

"[E]ducation is by its nature an exploration and examination of new things," the court order reads. "[A] child requires academic, social, cultural, and physical interaction with a variety of experiences, people, concepts, and surroundings in order to grow to an adult who can make intelligent decisions about how to achieve a productive and satisfying life."

Sadler stated in the order that the court did not consider the merits of Amanda's religious beliefs but only the impact of those beliefs on her interaction with others.

And while the court is "extremely reluctant to impose on parents a decision about a child's education," Sadler noted that there was an absence of effective communication between the parents.

Simmons filed a motion this week asking the court to reconsider and stay its decision. He contends that the mother enrolled Amanda in three public school courses and got her involved in extra-curricular activities such as gymnastics and softball in an effort to acknowledge the father's concerns.

Evidence also reveals that homeschooling has not deprived Amanda of socialization, as the father has argued. The order issued by the court also acknowledged that Amanda is "generally likeable and well liked, social and interactive with her peers, academically promising and intellectually at or superior to grade level."

"Parents have a fundamental right to make educational choices for their children. In this case specifically, the court is illegitimately altering a method of education that the court itself admits is working," Simmons stated. "It is not the court’s role to decide whose beliefs are right or whether or not someone is as skeptical as the court thinks she should be."

"Can anyone imagine a court ordering a child out of a government school and into homeschooling because the child is a 'rigid' secularist? Of course not," he noted. "The court has intruded on the child’s most fundamental liberties and should reconsider this unconstitutional encroachment."

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  • Sun Sep 20, 2009 6:47 pm Agree: 0   Disagree: 0

    Flagged as inappropriate. show I see that the flamin' FLAGGOT has returned. hide

  • Sun Sep 20, 2009 9:32 am Agree: 0   Disagree: 0

    Flagged as inappropriate. show Look forward to the day when imposition of strident Xian superstitious views on children is considered the child abuse that it is. It's bad enough to have so many delusional adults in society without them passing it on to another generation. hide

  • Tue Sep 15, 2009 12:19 am Agree: 4   Disagree: 3

    The article hasn't given the full facts and since this is so often done to cause the readers to automatically feel the court has violated something by taking the course of action it did.

    Lets add in some reality and balance it out. the girl is being kept captive by the fanatic mother and preventing her interacting with anyone that is not under the same controls as the girl.

    The peers are obviously other programmed kids under the dominion and control of others just like the fanatic mother and the father had to get the court to allow the girl to escape the captivity. This is necessary for the girl to have a normal social life and be able to simply be normal and not another slave to the ideology of the mother otherwise the court would not have ordered the ruling.

    Other children have had similar experiences and been freed to experience life outside the cult as is the case here and the mother who is so programmed to prevent the regular attendance of the girl from public school reminds me of Carrie and minus the scifi aspect hopefully the damage done to the girl through the experience from the cult control will be undone and she will adapt to a healthy existence outside her prior captivity and will be best for the mother to receive proper counseling and medical attention along with the medication to help her recover from her programming well as this is nothing short of cult mentality and that must be stopped at each and every stage once discovered.

    Perhaps one day the authors will finally be able to actually give all the facts for a story and stop the one sided reporting so that the full story can be known, but that would allow people to recognize this practice and then people would then know about the deceit and subsequently discover more about those pushing the agenda.

    TFR

  • Fri Sep 11, 2009 12:21 am Agree: 0   Disagree: 0

    rolln, Keep looking for George's transcript, I'm sure you will find it.

  • Fri Sep 11, 2009 12:20 am Agree: 1   Disagree: 1

    DP

    << " all of Christiandom were antisemetic. This is because they held the Jews accountable for the Crucifixion of Jesus.">>

    FYI, the quote was from Hiskid, not me....

  • Fri Sep 11, 2009 12:19 am Agree: 1   Disagree: 0

    Gib Fam
    << Might be? Is there something wrong with you? >>

    Perhaps so, thanks for asking. I guess I'm not encumbered by religious bias as you are...

    << "Seems strange that the creator would hold it against me for not believing in an event that supposedly occurred a couple thousand years ago for which there is no data." >>

    How is that a foolish statement? Where is the data? What sources can you cite other than stories from the Bible that were not contemporanous writings of said event. Why would the creator not understand ones skepticism for an event that occurred centuries ago without multi-source supporting documentation.

    << and this equally daffy gem, "Now if such an event were to occur today and I could document it scientifically, then I might be persuaded." >>

    Daffy. how so? I'm from Missouri, the show me state, I'm also trained in the sciences, so I am by nature skeptical of untestable claims

  • Fri Sep 11, 2009 12:19 am Agree: 1   Disagree: 0

    OK DP, I admit I have trouble relating to faith and religion, but I do appreciate your sincere response to my post.

  • Sun Sep 06, 2009 8:09 pm Agree: 2   Disagree: 8

    justa....

    Yeah sure, I just tossed all my science books in the trash, I can learn all about science reading the Bible. I will recommend to the local school board to use the Bible to teach science......LOL.

  • Sun Sep 06, 2009 1:38 pm Agree: 3   Disagree: 3

    You can not study science and not see how it relates to the Bible. Oh yeah, there are seven layers of the earth.

  • Sun Sep 06, 2009 1:35 pm Agree: 3   Disagree: 3

    I found this interesting. There is no way that in the day that Genesis was written there was no knowlege of the three elements of what the universe existed of. Those three matters are time, space, and matter. This was not scientifically proven until centuries later.

    Genesis 1:1 - (1st sentence) - In the beginning God created the heavens and the earth.
    1. beginning = time
    2. heavens = space
    3. earth = matter

    In English text there are 10 words in this sentence. In Hebrew this sentence consist of 7. Seven is know biblically at the letter of perfection. There are thousands of multiples of seven in this sentence. Ex. "the in the middle of the sentence plus the one to the right is a multiple of seven. "the" and the word to the right is a multiple of seven. The nouns of the sentence "God","heavens","earth" added together are seven also when using the number system assigned to each word are a multiple of seven. Add the numeric value of all the words in the sentence and it is a multiple of seven.The odds of thousands of multiples of 7 appearing in one sentence is 376,534. Which is virtually humanly impossible to do without the technology we know today. So this would be hard for the writer of Genesis to do all on their own without divine intervention.

    Plus there are 7 continents, 7 oceans, 7 minerals that make up our world, 7 plants visible to us on earth. 7 days to a week - six for creation and one to be kept holy. Scienfically found to be true 7 is the amount of symbols or words human can remember successfully. 7 levels scientific periodicals table and the list goes on and on. 7 stars in the constellation of the north star that ancient astronomers used and are still used today. 7 constellations that are visible in the sky from our planet.

    This is no accident.

  • Sun Sep 06, 2009 9:08 am Agree: 1   Disagree: 4

    Flagged as inappropriate. show OK DP, I admit I have trouble relating to faith and religion, but I do appreciate your sincere response to my post. hide

  • Sat Sep 05, 2009 9:31 pm Agree: 2   Disagree: 0

    "Why would the creator not understand ones skepticism for an event that occurred centuries ago without multi-source supporting documentation."

    He does. That's the point. Quite frankly, if you look at the Christian faith then once we are into eternity it really doesn't matter how the earth was made. It's an insignificant issue with no lasting value in the answer.

    Too much of man-kind doesn't get the whole concept that Jesus loves us enough to die for us. Do you really think we're going to get the concept of the creative power of God???

  • Sat Sep 05, 2009 8:52 pm Agree: 0   Disagree: 3

    Flagged as inappropriate. show Gib Fam << Might be? Is there something wrong with you? >> Perhaps so, thanks for asking. I guess I'm not encumbered by religious bias as you are... << "Seems strange that the creator would hold it against me for not believing in an event that supposedly occurred a couple thousand years ago for which there is no data." >> How is that a foolish statement? Where is the data? What sources can you cite other than stories from the Bible that were not contemporanous writings of said event. Why would the creator not understand ones skepticism for an event that occurred centuries ago without multi-source supporting documentation. << and this equally daffy gem, "Now if such an event were to occur today and I could document it scientifically, then I might be persuaded." >> Daffy. how so? I'm from Missouri, the show me state, I'm also trained in the sciences, so I am by nature skeptical of untestable claims. hide

  • Sat Sep 05, 2009 7:11 pm Agree: 3   Disagree: 0

    "How about this, explain to me what "radical feminist" means."

    I'd be happy to. But what's the point in doing so for a person who makes such a foolish statement as, "Seems strange that the creator would hold it against me for not believing in an event that supposedly occurred a couple thousand years ago for which there is no data."

    and this equally daffy gem, "Now if such an event were to occur today and I could document it scientifically, then I might be persuaded."

    Might be? Is there something wrong with you?

    The issues of whether or not the Bible tells the truth and whether or not the Son of God, Jesus Christ died for all of our sins when He was crucified by the Romans at the urgent maneuverings of the Jewish religious leaders and the mob of jews that supported them, seems to me to be of much more paramount importance than whether or not you know the definition of a radical feminist.

    But it appears, for the issues where your life and the lives of those foolish enough to listen to you are at stake, the amount of research you have done is minimal at best.

    There is ample secular evidence to back up the historical events recorded in the Bible, including the life and death of Jesus.

    TGF
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    The most loving thing you can do for your family is to pull them out of the public school system and keep them far away from apostate churches.

  • Sat Sep 05, 2009 2:21 pm Agree: 0   Disagree: 0

    "FYI, the quote was from Hiskid, not me.... "

    OK.... :p :D

  • Sat Sep 05, 2009 2:06 pm Agree: 2   Disagree: 0

    " all of Christiandom were antisemetic. This is because they held the Jews accountable for the Crucifixion of Jesus."
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    The Guilt of Christianity Towards the Jewish People:

    In the Early Church, Jews and Gentiles were gathered round Jesus as one body, the dividing wall between Jew and Gentile having been broken down. They were one flock with one Shepherd. Later on, the situation changed. More Gentiles entered the Christian community so that the ratio of Gentiles to Jews steadily grew. Then, by and by, the Jews who had not yet entered the Christian fold, were regarded no longer as brothers in the belief in the one revealed God, but as aliens, even enemies. In spite of all the difficulties and struggles that arose, there would have been every reason to have been humbly and lovingly disposed towards them, considering that it was from them that we have received the law and the prophets and the Lord Jesus. It is not without reason that the Apostle Paul exhorts us who believe in Christ not to adopt a superior attitude towards the Jews but to remain humbly aware that the Jews are the root of the tree. They bear us, not we them, for we are only grafted in (Romans 11). But the evil one succeeded in luring the Christian Church away from this humble, brotherly attitude when, in self-glory, she appropriated all the graces and promises meant for Israel, thereby expunging Israel from God's redemptive history.

    http://www.cdn-friends-icej.ca/antiholo/guilt.html

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    Basic Causes of Antisemitism


    ----there are two apparently separate and distinct reasons for anti-semitism. On the one hand we have that persecution is at least instigated, or encouraged by condoning, by those who wish to oppress so as to exploit.

    On the other we have the fact that Jews behave in ways which by themselves cause the persecution, apparently unaware at present that persecution could arise as the direct and inevitable consequence of their own behaviour.

    The fact is that it is because Jews as a people have not observed and at the present time do not observe the social laws of the Torah that they quite inevitably suffer from persecution, from anti-semitism.

    On the one hand the Jew is persecuted by oppressors because of the laws of justice and equality he believes in as a matter of God-given law. On the other hand he suffers the direct consequences of not practicing, of not putting into effect, the very same laws he is being persecuted for.

    http://www.solhaam.org/articles/antisem.html

  • Sat Sep 05, 2009 12:35 pm Agree: 2   Disagree: 1

    I also found this interesting. The Bible has accounts recorded as from eyewitnesses of the life, crucifiction and resurrection of Christ (the apostles) who were there at the time. I have yet to find any writings by any who were there which gave eyewitness accounts as to him never being alive, crucified or resurrected. Christ had so many against him it stands to reason that any eyewitness in that time would have created writings stating their eyewitness as well. But, of course they would have to have proof they were actually there.

  • Sat Sep 05, 2009 12:19 pm Agree: 3   Disagree: 0

    This is my comment. It seems it would have to be the way. A law was made to make church and state seperate. Court systems are part of the state. If absolute seperation exist, then how can a ruling be made by a state entity concerning religious matters?

    If there is absolute seperation, then from the point of the initial law of seperation, courts should not be able to make any further rulings or laws concerning religious matters. This would make the court in violation of it's own law by doing so. It would also make any matters on religion off limits to making any further laws concerning religion.

    I feel this way about prayer in schools. Teachers and employees are part of the state while on the job. However, all others such as parents, students, etc are not part of the state. Teachers and employees should not intervene when those that are not part of the state while praying, or talking about their religious beliefs because the students are not representing the state in any way, shape or form. Also, prohibiting students from reading religious material on their own time or discussing religious matter while on their own time such as lunch should not be prohibited for the same reason. Lunch time is not a teaching setting - as by the time students go to school they know how to eat on their own.

    I believe that all of those who push seperation of church and state would be extremely upset if there were absolute seperation. This would allow all oppose religious freedoms to have no recourse against those who practice their religion and have nowhere to go to complain.

    In my opinion, this is the way the constitution concerning religion reads in the first place. It has since been changed to now allow integration of church and state.

  • Sat Sep 05, 2009 9:05 am Agree: 0   Disagree: 1

    Flagged as inappropriate. show DP << " all of Christiandom were antisemetic. This is because they held the Jews accountable for the Crucifixion of Jesus.">> FYI, the quote was from Hiskid, not me.... hide

  • Sat Sep 05, 2009 12:29 am Agree: 0   Disagree: 0

    " all of Christiandom were antisemetic. This is because they held the Jews accountable for the Crucifixion of Jesus."

    Actually, then it would only be the Jews who could gain forgiveness. Truth be known, the basis of Christianity was that He died for ALL of us. It was for MY sin that he died. Without that I could not be saved. So...no, your statement isn't correct.

  • Fri Sep 04, 2009 11:10 pm Agree: 0   Disagree: 4

    Flagged as inappropriate. show Hi skid << all of Christiandom were antisemetic. This is because they held the Jews accountable for the Crucifixion of Jesus. They were also coming out of the catholic church which is to this day antisemetic. Most of Christianity today realizes that Jesus came for the express purpose of being the perfect sacrificial Lamb of God for all of our sins... >> OooooK, Hmmm, SO, you seem to imply that Christians did not, and you suggest some still do not, understand the basic premise of their religion. Perhaps I am missing something here, but Christians didn't know that it was part of "Gods plan" for the crucification? Shouldn't those Christians have held God accountable rather than the Jews for the crucification as it was "Gods plan"? Please let me know if I have misunderstood your comments. hide

  • Fri Sep 04, 2009 9:21 pm Agree: 1   Disagree: 1

    Hi Skid

    << The only other option is hell. The soul is eternal, and will live one place or the other forever. Where do you want to be for eternity? With the Lord in never neding joy and bliss, or with satan, in never ending torment? >>

    Christians love that eternal torture theme.

    As far as the soul is concerned, there is no data to say such a thing exists. In all probability, when my heart stops pumping and blood flow stops oxygenating my brain cells, it is THE END........

  • Fri Sep 04, 2009 9:14 pm Agree: 1   Disagree: 3

    Hi Skid

    << None can say "I didn't know" because the Instruction Manuel, the BIBLE, is available to all. >>

    No, not true, there are millions of people that have lived and are living now that do not have bible available to them and there are millions of people that cant read if they had them. For example, there are millions of Chinese that live in isolated villages that have never seen the Bible nor can even read........

  • Fri Sep 04, 2009 9:10 pm Agree: 1   Disagree: 1

    Hi skid

    << First of all there IS data!!!It is called the Holy Bible, and every word of it is fromthe mouth of God, 100% true. >>

    No, the Bible is not data, it is a collection of stories that contains NO supporting data.

    NO, its not from "the mouth of God", its stuff written down my mere mortals.

  • Fri Sep 04, 2009 9:02 pm Agree: 2   Disagree: 2

    DP, Your explanation of how girls learn differently than boys and connecting that to "radical feminist" is a bit difficult to follow. How about this, explain to me what "radical feminist" means.

  • Fri Sep 04, 2009 8:54 pm Agree: 2   Disagree: 2

    rolln
    << ......big smok'n Obama has scaled down his Nazi type presentation,...>>

    Speaking of Nazi's, its too bad cheney & bush couldn't get another fours years. Just think the US military could be marching into Tehran to "liberate" the Iranians.

  • Fri Sep 04, 2009 8:07 pm Agree: 2   Disagree: 0

    Rev -

    Supposedly? You mean you didn't even bother to watch the 1:32 clip yourself. What? Are you embarrassed by your own comparison? Well, you should. Because it's hardly a comparison. A 1:32 speech to a group of kids on CSpan2 is hardly a national class presentation, brainiac.

    Bush's presentation is not much more than a Mr. Roger's walk through the neighborhood (reminds me of such too). I don't see him telling the kids to "pledge" nothing as Obama is planning to do? I've heard the big smok'n Obama has scaled down his Nazi type presentation, but I'm dying to actually watch it for a great laugh and tell my Obama supporting friends ---- I TOLD YOU SO!

  • Fri Sep 04, 2009 3:04 pm Agree: 0   Disagree: 2

    rolln4him: Do you have the transcript for his presentation?

    Video of the Bush presentation can supposedly be found here:

    http://scienceblogs.com/dispatches/2009/09/president_creates_bush_41_yout.php#more

  • Fri Sep 04, 2009 2:49 pm Agree: 3   Disagree: 0

    "What does your comment have to do with "radical feminist" which my questions refer back to?"

    That would be the part where they are doing what educates the girls more than what educates the boys....

  • Fri Sep 04, 2009 2:37 pm Agree: 0   Disagree: 0

    johnzon

    don't have time right now, leaving for vacation is about an hour.

  • Fri Sep 04, 2009 2:35 pm Agree: 0   Disagree: 2

    Hiskid: I suggest you get a book called "23 Minutes in Hell". It is a true testimony from a man who experienced what hell would be like.

    The book "Hellraiser" is pretty good too.

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hellraiser

    There is also a movie made from the book and a number of sequels.

  • Fri Sep 04, 2009 2:19 pm Agree: 4   Disagree: 2

    johnzon

    "Seems strange that the creator would hold it against me for not believing in an event that supposedly occurred a couple thousand years ago for which there is no data."

    First of all there IS data!!!It is called the Holy Bible, and every word of it is fromthe mouth of God, 100% true.

    None can say "I didn't know" because the Instruction Manuel, the BIBLE, is available to all.

    Do you also expect to be admitted to heaven without ever accepting the gift of salvation? If so, here's an anaology for you:

    Say there is this guy whom you have never gotten along with, who has made derogatory remarks about you and your family to anyone who would listen. this same guy comes banging on your door demanding to move into your home. He comes in and sees a lamp that you particularly admire. He goes into your son's room, grabs a bat and knocks your favorite lamp across the livingroom into the fireplace. Would you allow this bozo to live in your home? I don't think so. By the same token, heaven is God's domain. He gets to choose who He allows in. Just as you would not allow the above mentioned jerk to live in your home, God will not allow anyone to live in His home who has not honored Him, worshiped Him, OBEYED Him or anyone who has not believed in Him and His son, Jesus Christ.

    The only other option is hell. The soul is eternal, and will live one place or the other forever. Where do you want to be for eternity? With the Lord in never neding joy and bliss, or with satan, in never ending torment?

    I suggest you get a book called "23 Minutes in Hell". It is a true testimony from a man who experienced what hell would be like.

  • Fri Sep 04, 2009 2:06 pm Agree: 0   Disagree: 4

    Flagged as inappropriate. show Hi skid << all of Christiandom were antisemetic. This is because they held the Jews accountable for the Crucifixion of Jesus. They were also coming out of the catholic church which is to this day antisemetic. Most of Christianity today realizes that Jesus came for the express purpose of being the perfect sacrificial Lamb of God for all of our sins... >> OooooK, Hmmm, SO, you seem to imply that Christians did not, and you suggest some still do not, understand the basic premise of their religion. Perhaps I am missing something here, but Christians didn't know that it was part of "Gods plan" for the crucification? Shouldn't those Christians have held God accountable rather than the Jews for the crucification as it was "Gods plan"? Please let me know if I have misunderstood your comments. hide

  • Fri Sep 04, 2009 1:51 pm Agree: 0   Disagree: 4

    DP

    <<...here is a reason why girls do better in school than boys. Less boys are "book learners" and need "tactile" instruction. This was avoided by the public schools for years....>>

    What does your comment have to do with "radical feminist" which my questions refer back to?

  • Fri Sep 04, 2009 1:47 pm Agree: 0   Disagree: 4

    Flagged as inappropriate. show rolln, Keep looking for George's transcript, I'm sure you will find it. hide

  • Fri Sep 04, 2009 1:23 pm Agree: 4   Disagree: 0

    "yeah right. What does that mean exactly? Care to back that up with specific examples"

    I had a teacher that was referred to as a female chauvinist. This woman (who I did learn quite a bit of math from) would not allow football players to leave early on Friday for away games. Guidance had to schedule all the football players who would have her for earlier in the day!!!

    On a more serious note, there is a reason why girls do better in school than boys. Less boys are "book learners" and need "tactile" instruction. This was avoided by the public schools for years and still is in many. It is the way boys most boys learn. Schools were geared to help girls succeed in order to make them better candidates to be hired for jobs.

  • Fri Sep 04, 2009 12:18 pm Agree: 0   Disagree: 4

    Gibbons Family: "... the radical feminists who have taken over our public school system and are trying to outlaw homeschooling"

    I would have said that in South Carolina it is the homeschoolers who have taken over the public school system, but apparently the homeschooler Kristin Maguire has resigned her position as State Education Board chair:

    http://news.google.com/news/search?q=Kristin+Maguire

  • Fri Sep 04, 2009 9:54 am Agree: 3   Disagree: 0

    Johnzon -

    Do you have the transcript for his presentation? I can't seem to find it. Let's see, I bet you that IF George did give a NATIONWIDE presentation to the nations school children from K-12, I can guarantee you he didn't say that the kids are to "pledge to" him or "work to support" him as Obama is preparing to have presented - eh?

  • Fri Sep 04, 2009 8:20 am Agree: 0   Disagree: 2

    Gib Fam

    << Sadly, so will the radical feminists who have taken over our public school system...>>

    LOL, yeah right. What does that mean exactly? Care to back that up with specific examples.

  • Fri Sep 04, 2009 8:14 am Agree: 1   Disagree: 2

    rolln

    << Obama's presentation to school children >>


    FYI, George the First did the same thing in 1991...

  • Fri Sep 04, 2009 4:14 am Agree: 4   Disagree: 1

    "Perhaps the decline in public education is because many public schools no longer teach paragraphs."

    Okay, that was pretty funny.

    aquasweets said,

    "Most home school children and families would be hard to pick out in a crowd."

    If you have children and you notice other families, then it won't be hard to pick out the home-schooled children. They'll look like yours.

    They're dressed and they behave completely different then public-schooled children.

    Everywhere we go people say to us "What wonderful children you have." and we say, "They're home-schooled. And they've never seen the inside of a dayorphanage."

    Soon, you will be able to identify homeschoolers without asking. Sadly, so will the radical feminists who have taken over our public school system and are trying to outlaw homeschooling.

    TGF
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    The most loving thing you can do for your family is to pull them out of the public school system and keep them far away from apostate churches.

  • Fri Sep 04, 2009 3:23 am Agree: 3   Disagree: 1

    The subject is "Homeschooled Girl Ordered to Attend Public School Over Her 'Rigid' Faith"

    "...her religious beliefs were seen as being held a bit too sincerely..."

    Many Americans are seen to hold a bit too sincerely their pride in their country, their beliefs in protecting the security of all Americans against terrorists, their belief in freedom of speech, their belief in parental rights, and a lot of other values that we're all being told are bad, selfish and hurtful to many of our fellow 'comrades' - thanks to the Radical Feminist/Homosexual Alliance and their anti-Christian media.

    Don't you know they teach that it's a bad thing to hold traditional values "a bit too sincerely" EACH AND EVERY DAY in the schools built and paid for by the majority of Americans (who also happen to be Christians)?

    We loved this line - "Can anyone imagine a court ordering a child out of a government school and into homeschooling because the child is a 'rigid' secularist?"

    It's time we take our country, our schools and our local community groups back from the hands of the minority of radical activists who we allowed to take them over. Get involved.

    TGF
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    The most loving thing you can do for your family is to pull them out of the public school system and keep them far away from apostate churches.

  • Fri Sep 04, 2009 1:08 am Agree: 2   Disagree: 1

    Sweet! This girl will make it just in time to get brainwashed by Obama's presentation to school children on Sept 8th. LOL! Oh, yes, this is the same day that parents are organizing a "Our Children Stay Home Day" because of the Obamanazi presentation. I think Obama and his cronies should have a presentation for school everyday so that we can have an excuse to have an "stay at home day" everyday!!! Go big "O"!!! LOL!

  • Thu Sep 03, 2009 11:03 pm Agree: 1   Disagree: 0

    RebornInReverse,

    You stated: "Secular humanism isn't a faith, it's a stance that for a state to be fair and just and accommodate all the world-views of a multicultural society, it must itself be free of all faiths and world-views."

    The 1st Amendment Establishment Clause has been interpreted by the U.S. Supreme Court to prevent the endorsement or hinderance of religion, with particular emphasis on context. These courts have also pointed out that the state must be NEUTRAL with respect to religion or non religion.

    You're right, I do not consider secular humanism a religion. However, I consider it to be a perspective opposite to the teachings of various faiths. In that respect, it is NOT NEUTRAL, and therefore should not be blindly endorsed by the state in attempts to prevent establishment of religion. Such an approach would result in government hinderance of religion, which is equally forbidden by the Establishment Clause.

    Public schools as well as other governmentally run facilities and institutions should attempt to be neutral at all times. If this is impossible, I would argue that secular humanism, which does encompass many different tenants should be used, but only if necessary, given the fact that it is not neutral.

  • Thu Sep 03, 2009 10:44 pm Agree: 1   Disagree: 0

    Ipepperw

    << The truth is what matters not their misinformed comments.. >>

    You never got back to me to point out posts I have made that you claimed to be factually incorrect. I would greatly appreciate it if you could point those errors out so I might correct them.

  • Thu Sep 03, 2009 10:13 pm Agree: 3   Disagree: 0

    aqua, there are some posters here that use CP to
    insult and ridicule Christians. Feel free to ignore them .
    The truth is what matters not their misinformed comments..
    Others want an intelligent debate.

  • Thu Sep 03, 2009 10:05 pm Agree: 1   Disagree: 2

    aquasweets: "Additionally, most home-schooled children are excelling at a pace that far exceeds public school educated children. Chew on that".

    Perhaps the decline in public education is because many public schools no longer teach paragraphs.

  • Thu Sep 03, 2009 9:48 pm Agree: 0   Disagree: 2

    Hi skid

    << Believe inyour heart that Jesus arose from the dead >>

    Doesn't seem plausible to me. Without data, I have no way to know whether its true, I'm highly skeptical. In fact, I don't believe it. Seems strange that the creator would hold it against me for not believing in an event that supposedly occurred a couple thousand years ago for which there is no data. Now if such an event were to occur today and I could document it scientifically, then I might be persuaded.

  • Thu Sep 03, 2009 9:33 pm Agree: 0   Disagree: 2

    aquasw..

    << To say that public schools can offer a "normal" atmosphere for learning is ludicrous. >>

    What? "normal", don't understand what you are getting at. Almost all my friends, co-worker and children are products of public schools. They are mostly highly educated, well paid, hard working tax paying professional that turned out to be decent and productive members of society.

  • Thu Sep 03, 2009 8:44 pm Agree: 1   Disagree: 1

    rir,

    to say that one should be taught all sides and then a worldview comes is impossible and every philosopher and educator worth a dime knows that. Worldviews are a lens that we filter information through, worldviews can and do change quite often but to attempt to teach without one is impossible and absurd.

    Grace and Peace,
    Jim

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