Updated 11:59 pm.EST, Fri November 20, 2009

Society|Sat, Sep. 19 2009 10:48 AM EDT

Disgruntled Values Voters Urged to Take Back America

By Michelle A. Vu|Christian Post Reporter

WASHINGTON – Political-minded values voters from across the nation joined conservative lawmakers Friday to vent about the current state of the country and to coordinate efforts to challenge what they believe are dangerous or immoral policies.

As expected, health care reform dominated the opening day of the Values Voter Summit, which was organized by Family Research Council Action and co-sponsored by Focus on the Family Action.

But besides health care, speakers also addressed issues such as President Obama’s green jobs czar, the ACORN scandal, the Wall Street bailout, the new White House position on Israeli settlements, and the national deficit, among other topics.

Though heavy on politics, the crowd of about 1,800 social conservatives clearly relished any mention of the Christian faith to justify their political positions. Every time a politician mentioned Jesus or referenced God, the crowd became fired up, rising to their feet, clapping enthusiastically and whistling.

Former Gov. Mike Huckabee, a 2008 Republican presidential candidate, sarcastically called President Obama’s claim of having created or saved 1 million jobs a miracle. He then went on to talk about abortion, traditional marriage and other values voter issues and linked it to the story of David.

While most people focus on the battle between David and Goliath, the former Baptist preacher said, they often miss the story about David refusing the armor of King Saul. David was brave to tell the king no, he said, tying the biblical account to today's values voters and the liberal-controlled government.

“As for me and my household, we will serve the Lord," said Huckabee, who is predicted to be a contender in the 2012 presidential election.

Following Huckabee’s address, three Congressional members took the stage to participate in a health care townhall with the audience. They all denounced the provisions in the health care bills that would allow the government to fund abortions.

The Congressmen and woman also said the debate is really about freedom, warning that the current health reform bills would greatly increase the government’s power to make medical decisions for Americans.

“It is really insulting when we hear that Republicans don’t have other solutions,” said Rep. Michele Bachmann (R-Minn.) during the health care townhall. “We have all sorts of positive solutions.”

Bachmann, an evangelical Christian who attended Oral Roberts University, said the government currently gives insurance companies in each state partial-monopoly. Without raising any tax, the government could lift the monopoly and let Americans pool together to buy insurance, she proposed.

The Minnesota representative also supports tort reform, which seeks to lower health care cost by reducing malpractice lawsuits. She pointed to Texas as having implemented a successful tort reform law.

“So 85 percent of Americans who already have health insurance, survey after survey, say it’s working pretty well for me,” Bachmann said. “We’re going to destroy what 85 percent of what people have to be able to extend government care to an additional 15 percent, of which a large portion can afford to purchase health care but choose not to, are eligible for government programs but choose not to go on them, or are illegal aliens.”

“We are going to destroy something that works for 85 percent of people to mandate that another 15 percent have it?” she asked.

The summit organizers urged participants to fill out a card in their registration packet that listed what they don’t want in the health care bill and send it to their representatives. Attendees were told they could order more to distribute to others when they return to their respective communities.

The Values Voter Summit will continue Saturday when the result of a much anticipated presidential straw poll will be released. Sessions will conclude Saturday night while the summit will end with a sermon by FRC president Tony Perkins Sunday morning.

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  • Thu Oct 29, 2009 7:02 pm Agree: 0   Disagree: 0

    gem_of_tki »Sat Sep 19, 2009 7:38 pm Agree: 3 Disagree: 6 Flag

    "My post was flagged, apparently, for disagreeing with someone. It's well-written, coherent, and in no way would be considered "offensive" in a free society"

    Its a threat. If you are the wrong kind of Christian expect all of your posts to be flagged. Without explanation.

  • Tue Oct 20, 2009 1:50 am Agree: 0   Disagree: 5

    I'll just repost these flagged comments for our Christian members.

    johnzon posted this flagged comment,

    "Americans are taking back America- booted the neo-nuts from control of congress and the WH. Neo-nut were leading America to pariah state status, taking away civil liberties, torturing and imprisoning on little to no evidence for years without opportunity of due process, leading US to bankruptcy got US into two wars and was working on a third."

    lpepperw,of course, everything in this post was untrue.

    I would not agree or support johnzon's post. Obviously, he's referring to Bush/Cheney with the neo-nut comment. And my ironic remark that he could refer to people (like me) as neo-nuts was meant to be amusing, but not supportive.

    My point is that by flagging this post which is not blasphemous, it will likely prevent others (like weekenderman, Daniel Paul etc...) from seeing it and attacking it.
    By my suggesting that one of those who would attack this post, might do so in a way that would be funny (one of the possibilities), I didn't mean that that response would be disrespectful of the issues involved (eg. the bravery of the armed forces defending our world from terrorists and the liberal Americans who assist them with their stupid ideas).
    Attacks on deviants and atheists are often funny because they use irony, sarcasm, etc...

    If we flag every post we find insulting, they will flag every post they find insulting.
    As deplorable as most of the deviants' posts are, flagging should be reserved for posts extraordinarily vile (eg. blasphemy) in my respectful opinion.

    As for the box that CP places above the Comment box, I have written to CP saying that this statement is causing too many posts to be flagged on a Christian website infested with deviants.
    I never flag. I just don't read the people who are lining up in the Lake of Fire queue.

    TGF
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  • Tue Oct 20, 2009 1:48 am Agree: 1   Disagree: 5

    johnzon,

    While I was posting my posts, someone flagged one of your posts.

    I don't normally read flagged posts, unless it's by someone I regularly read. But if you have time to read me, I have time to read you. Plus, I was intrigued to know how it was so offensive that it left the flagger speechless.

    Pretty funny stuff. I'd suggest "neo-nutters" for those who support neo-nuts. (don't credit me if you use it)

    It was Clinton who was so preoccupied with immorality that his incompetence allowed the bombing of the WTC in 93, the E. Africa embassies in 98, and the WTC in 01.

    Sure am grateful for the twenty-second amendment.

    TGF
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  • Tue Sep 29, 2009 12:23 pm Agree: 5   Disagree: 0

    Believer,

    That's not completely true. People did own slaves in the North. It wasn't nearly as common as it was in the South, but they still did. A lot of them preferred to call them "servants" instead of slaves sometimes, but they were definitely slaves. I live in the Capital District area of Upstate NY and I know 5 places off the top of my head (in my area alone) that are historical sites of old farm homes. They all have or had "slave quarters" on the property. After slavery was abolished, they were called "servant's quarters."

    Slavery was definitely a bigger issue in the South, but it did also exist up here. This also lends itself to be why slavery was NOT the "reason" for the Civil War. A contributing factor, yes. The reason, no.

  • Sun Sep 27, 2009 2:04 pm Agree: 7   Disagree: 12

    To the cowardly flaggers,

    There are sad, pathetic souls, who can't form a point of view, and so flag comments they disagree with. And like cowards, they flag comments without claiming responsibility.

    From what I've seen, if you flag posts because you disagree with them, all of your posts will probably get flagged - forever.

    Never flag and we'll get to read all the ridiculous things others say (if you disagree) or all the pearls of wisdom (if you agree) - and no matter what side you're on, you'll get to read your favorite posters' comments without having to click on "show".

    1) Stop flagging and: we'll all get to read everyone's posts, good or bad.

    2) Keep flagging and: all your posts will get flagged, and you'll have to click on 'show' to see your friends' posts.

    It's your choice. If you've been here long enough to see what happens to people who frequently flag, you'll pick #1 and never flag.
    If you're either new or just plain stupid (you know one of those people who never gets it, ever since they were a kid), you'll pick #2.

    TGF
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  • Sun Sep 27, 2009 2:03 pm Agree: 7   Disagree: 10

    On flagging Christians on a Christian website -

    THIS IS a Christian website, for Christians and others to discuss events relating to Christianity and religious affairs. We are against homosexual sex acts, but we think they are entitled to talk freely without disruption on (homosexual) websites set up for that purpose. THAT is freedom of speech.

    Similarly, we believe that homosexuals should not come to a Christian website and flag any Christians for any reason.

    I would never go to a homosexual website and I don't even know of any. But if I did, I wouldn't join it, give myself an offensive name, and then start flagging the homosexuals for saying things that a normal person would expect homosexuals to say to a Christian with the stupidity to come to a homosexual site to attack and disrupt them.

    Homosexuals shouldn't come to a Christian website to attack and disrupt Christians trying to exercise their freedom of speech.

    TGF
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    For the Christians... Christ is clear... we are not to throw pearls among swine.... when is enough going to be enough in exhorting the heathens here? jar1961

  • Sun Sep 27, 2009 2:01 pm Agree: 7   Disagree: 9

    -------------------------------------------------------- The Closet Flagger ---------------------------------------------------------

    TLChild,

    About a month ago there was a Flag War, and then it suddenly stopped. There were several people missing and there was a blissful week of virtually no flagging that I'm sure most people noticed.

    After about a week, a few people returned and there was a massive increase in flagging. The flaggers wouldn't know their return marked a huge increase in flagging, because they weren't here to see the week of no flagging. That's the part that's funny.

    It was easy to figure out who these flaggers were, because when they were gone - no flagging, when they returned - massive flagging. I know who they are too.

    But there is one who never disappeared that blissful week, and he is a regular, closet flagger.
    Because he's a sneak, during that week of no flagging, he also stopped flagging, fearing that if he did, he'd surely be exposed. When the flagging surged, he went back to flagging. But few suspect him.

    I won't tell you who he is. But I will admit I wasn't looking for him when I accidentally realized he was flagging all over the place. It might surprise you too.

    There are people who hate our God and/or have decided to disobey him to the point at which He is disgusted. I don't believe, if we are to obey God's counsel, we should be speaking to those who insist on opposing Him and are Satan's children.
    After we witness to people, we need to make a decision about how many times we'll speak to someone who hates our God and/or hates His Word. Perhaps, if we stopped entertaining these God-haters (who are so obnoxious, none of the pervert sites want them either), they'd just go away, like a foul odor.

    BTW, you can try complaining to CP, but I don't know if that will help you figure out who is the Closet Flagger.

    TGF
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    Homosexuals shouldn't come to a Christian website to attack and disrupt Christians trying to exercise their freedom of speech.
    I would never go to a homosexual website, give myself an offensive name, and then start flagging the homosexuals for saying things that a normal person would expect homosexuals to say to a Christian with the stupidity to come to a homosexual site to attack and disrupt them.

  • Sat Sep 26, 2009 10:18 pm Agree: 5   Disagree: 9

    "but don't you think a lot of that greed is generated by the world's idea of self-esteem rather than God's idea of self-worth when it comes to seeing our true self-image?"

    It's even more simple than that. It's called sin!

  • Sat Sep 26, 2009 4:26 pm Agree: 7   Disagree: 2

    DP, but don't you think a lot of that greed is generated by the world's idea of self-esteem rather than God's idea of self-worth when it comes to seeing our true self-image? Where self-esteem tends to say it's all about me and self-worth is based on our worth to God and the fact that we are God's special creation and He chose us long before we ever decided to choose Him, the fact that He loved us enough to send Christ to die on the Cross for us.

  • Sat Sep 26, 2009 10:08 am Agree: 6   Disagree: 11

    " I also see it as not only that but a product of a poor self-image as well"

    You'll love this.... Poor self-image is a result of greed! Follow if you will. Self-image is a result of comparison. A young girl doesn't look like the magazine cover resulting in poor self-image. A person isn't as "successful" as someone else resulting in poor self-image and so on. Why is it greed? Because they WANT to be "as good" as what they see. They want to be something other than what God made them to be resulting in poor self-image.

    I see this in many areas where this sort of greed manifests itself in alcoholism, drug abuse, homosexuality, adultry, fornication, self-abuse and the list goes on. Greed is what got Adam and Eve into the mess to start with. They wanted more than what God created them to be and were not satisfied.

  • Sat Sep 26, 2009 7:57 am Agree: 7   Disagree: 0

    DP, I also see it as not only that but a product of a poor self-image as well. Well I may be this, but at least I'm not that!

  • Fri Sep 25, 2009 11:05 pm Agree: 5   Disagree: 0

    " And that's why I am saying that even though slavery was abolished it by no means put an end to prejudice and racism in our country. "

    I'm not disagreeing with your statement at all! The basis of prejudice and racism is greed. Think about it....

  • Fri Sep 25, 2009 9:40 pm Agree: 6   Disagree: 0

    DP, while I'll agree slavery is indeed an extreme form and a result of prejudice and racism. Here in America during the Civil War racism existed in both the North and the South even though there was no slavery in the North. So even though many in the North may have been opposed to slavery they were still very prejudicial to the blacks living in the North. And that's why I am saying that even though slavery was abolished it by no means put an end to prejudice and racism in our country.

  • Fri Sep 25, 2009 7:45 pm Agree: 5   Disagree: 0

    "But once again the issue here is not slavery but prejudice and racism"

    That is the basis of race based slavery. Slavery is simply one way prejudice and racism manifests itself. Much the same way that homosexuality is one way that codependency manifests itself. Sin always has a root problem of the heart.

  • Fri Sep 25, 2009 7:40 pm Agree: 7   Disagree: 1

    Someone didn't take there medicine again....

    If you cannot afford your meds you can contact the manufacturer and they will help pay for them...promise....

  • Fri Sep 25, 2009 6:43 pm Agree: 9   Disagree: 12

    Wowie,

    I have discovered that it is garageguy who is doing all the flagging, because he has not made a comment on this site from September 19th thru September 23rd, and there were no comments being flagged like they are now. Furthermore, everyone else has been on this site everyday but garageguy and there has not been flagged comments in great numbers; therefore, it does not take a genius to figure out that it is him. GARAGEGUY JUST CANNOT HANDLE THE TRUTH!

  • Fri Sep 25, 2009 6:33 pm Agree: 8   Disagree: 11

    Garageguy,

    I know that you are the one who is flagging everyone's comments, because the majority of your posts are still showing. Furthermore, the couple of days that you have not responded on this site, so I am assuming that you have not been on this site, no one's comments have been flagged. Therefore, I know that it has to be you, wow, I thought that you could handle the truth. You have not posted any comments on this site from September 19th thru 23rd, you finally post something on September 24th at 7:21 p.m., and I did not have my comments flagged this much, and definitely no one else. YOU CANNOT HANDLE THE TRUTH!

  • Fri Sep 25, 2009 6:24 pm Agree: 6   Disagree: 9

    LOL, the mad flaggers wires must have gotten crossed again. ;oD

    ...why did you delete your last 4 or 5 posts HM?

    TLChild :o) Don't let it get to you....this happens every so often...we can email info@christianpost.com and tell them what's up...the last time they sent believer an email saying they had suspended the flaggers account.

  • Fri Sep 25, 2009 5:11 pm Agree: 7   Disagree: 12

    Whoever is flagging everyone's information must not realize that WE CAN STILL READ EVERYONE'S INFORMATION. However, we can at least know for certain that we do not have to read PEOPLE'S INFORMATION WHO SPEAK OUT AGAINST YAHWEH'S HOLY WORD. Therefore, the one who is flagging is really wasting his or her time, because WE CAN STILL READ THE COMMENTS. As a matter of fact, the one who is flagging is really making others want to read people's comments that have been flagged, because obviously, they may have said something worth reading and it makes scrolling on the site easier and faster, thanks.

  • Fri Sep 25, 2009 4:22 pm Agree: 5   Disagree: 0

    Flagged as inappropriate. show Whomever is flagging everyone's information must not realize that WE CAN STILL READ EVERYONE'S INFORMATION. However, we can at least know for certain that we do not have to read PEOPLE'S INFORMATION WHO SPEAK OUT AGAINST YAHWEH'S HOLY WORD. Therefore, the one who is flagging is really wasting his or her time, because WE CAN STILL READ THE COMMENTS. As a matter of fact, the one who is flagging is really making others want to read people's comments that have been flagged, because obviously, they may have said something worth reading, thanks. hide

  • Fri Sep 25, 2009 4:21 pm Agree: 4   Disagree: 0

    Flagged as inappropriate. show Whomever is flagging everyone's information must not realize that WE CAN STILL READ EVERYONE'S INFORMATION. However, we can at least know for certain that we do not have to read PEOPLE'S INFORMATION WHO SPEAK OUT AGAINST YAHWEH'S HOLY WORD. Therefore, the one who is flagging is really wasting his or her time, because WE CAN STILL READ THE COMMENTS. As a matter of fact, the one who is flagging is really making others want to read people's comments that have been flagged, because obviously, they may have said something worth reading, thanks. hide

  • Fri Sep 25, 2009 4:18 pm Agree: 3   Disagree: 0

    Whomever is flagging everyone's information must not realize that WE CAN STILL READ EVERYONE'S INFORMATION. However, we can at least know for certain that we do not have to read PEOPLE'S INFORMATION WHO SPEAK OUT AGAINST YAHWEH'S HOLY WORD. Therefore, the one who is flagging is really wasting his or her time, because WE CAN STILL READ THE COMMENTS. As a matter of fact, the one who is flagging is really making others want to read people's comments that have been flagged, because obviously, they may have said something worth reading, thanks.

  • Fri Sep 25, 2009 4:11 pm Agree: 4   Disagree: 0

    Flagged as inappropriate. show To all the Bible believing and Bible following brothers and sisters, I see how satan is trying to get you-all off the main topics at hand, which is, people who are going against the Word of Yahweh will go to Hell and if our government officials do not stop trying to enact laws contrary to Yahweh's Word, this country is going to suffer. I see that Homosexual Man is trying to cause conflict by stating that Weekenderman is calling Believer a pervert and a liar, and I believe that it is not true. Therefore, satan is using those who obey his commandments to cause conflict between those of us who know that homosexuality is wrong and a sin and follows Yahweh's Holy Word. Therefore, I am begging all my Bible believing and Bible following brothers and sisters to continue to talk about issues pertaining to Christians and how the enemy is trying to destroy us, thanks. Homosexual Man is trying to divide and conquer, but the devil is a liar, homosexual man will not get the victory. hide

  • Fri Sep 25, 2009 3:53 pm Agree: 4   Disagree: 0

    Flagged as inappropriate. show LOL, the mad flaggers wires must have gotten crossed again. ;oD ...why did you delete your last 4 or 5 posts HM? hide

  • Fri Sep 25, 2009 2:33 pm Agree: 7   Disagree: 0

    Flagged as inappropriate. show "Self-described Confederate neo-secessionist slavery-defending Weekenderman" Again, you lost me with your opening line, Pervert Man. I have never on this site described myself in any of those ways, yet you think that if you repeat your lie often enough people will believe you? Sad and pathetic, if you ask me. hide

  • Fri Sep 25, 2009 1:00 pm Agree: 8   Disagree: 1

    Yes, believer. Even today, black-on-black violence is much higher than the liberals care to admit. And attempts by the North at destroying Richmond and Atlanta during The War of Northern Aggression did nothing to help either the education or the social status of the freed slaves.

    As I said earlier, the North didn't care about the freedom of the slaves -- they simply wanted to gain an advantage in their war efforts.

    Of course, General Robert E. Lee said he never would have surrendered had he realized what the North was going to do to the South after the war.

  • Fri Sep 25, 2009 12:53 pm Agree: 6   Disagree: 1

    Flagged as inappropriate. show "Slavery-defending weekenderman" I in no way, shape or form have ever defended slavery, Pervert Man. When you type trash like that it simply causes us to skip over anything else you type. You have no credibility remaining. hide

  • Fri Sep 25, 2009 12:48 pm Agree: 5   Disagree: 1

    Flagged as inappropriate. show weekender, and another statistic that hman chose to overlook was the number of freed blacks who owned black slaves! hide

  • Fri Sep 25, 2009 12:46 pm Agree: 5   Disagree: 1

    Flagged as inappropriate. show TL, thanks for your wisdom with regards to hman's ploys to get us off target, but I know weekender was not in anyway calling me either a pervert or liar and I too am well aware of hman's trickery in these matters, but I appreciate you keeping us on our toes in this matter. hide

  • Fri Sep 25, 2009 12:43 pm Agree: 5   Disagree: 0

    Flagged as inappropriate. show DP, we had a similar problem in Appalachia in that most males saw their future as being coal miners or jobs that are associated with coal mining. So for a long time the education system was built around that premise and until recently their education standards were low in comparison to many school systems, but fortunately that has changed with the arrival of new technology in the mining area and better roads and access to other areas and better employment opportunities in our area as well. And I do agree that life for the slave did not change much even with the abolition of slavery when they went from being slaves to many being share croppers and tenant farmers at best. But once again the issue here is not slavery but prejudice and racism which unfortunately is not just a Southern problem but a nationwide problem as I shared with gguy! hide

  • Fri Sep 25, 2009 12:06 pm Agree: 5   Disagree: 0

    Flagged as inappropriate. show Pervert Man: The Montgomery County Schools was YOUR source, not believer's. Nice try at continuing to lie, but we can see past your perversions of both sex and the Truth. hide

  • Fri Sep 25, 2009 11:55 am Agree: 3   Disagree: 0

    Flagged as inappropriate. show To all the Bible believing and Bible following brothers and sisters, I see how satan is trying to get you-all off the main topics at hand, which is, people who are going against the Word of Yahweh will go to Hell and if our government officials do not stop trying to enact laws contrary to Yahweh's Word, this country is going to suffer. I see that Homosexual Man is trying to cause conflict by stating that Weekenderman is calling Believer a pervert and a liar, and I believe that it is not true. Therefore, satan is using those who obey his commandments to cause conflict between those of us who know that homosexuality is wrong and a sin and follows Yahweh's Holy Word. Therefore, I am begging all my Bible believing and Bible following brothers and sisters to continue to talk about issues pertaining to Christians and how the enemy is trying to destroy us, thanks. Homosexual Man is trying to divide and conquer, but the devil is a liar, homosexual man will not get the victory. hide

  • Fri Sep 25, 2009 10:43 am Agree: 4   Disagree: 0

    Flagged as inappropriate. show Lincoln himself felt blacks were inferior to whites, and only freed the slaves because he figured that would enable the blacks to rise up and fight with the North. That obviously didn't work out like he planned, as many of the former slaves fought alongside their masters against the invasion of the federal troops. hide

  • Fri Sep 25, 2009 10:38 am Agree: 1   Disagree: 0

    Flagged as inappropriate. show "I don't "hold to American ideals" if I don't believe that slavery was the main issue?" Ever seen the musical "1776"? It's a hoot! Still, it holds to the facts. South Carolina wasn't going to be a state if they couldn't have their slaves. Many in the north backed the civil war because of the slavery issue. The south had become a real pain over many issues but the slavery issue was the last straw. As the treatment of slaves grew worse and worse many slaves escaped to the north and brought their stories with them. Now, how the south lost the war is an example that those other issues were really non-issues. They ran out of men, food, clothing, ammo and weapons. Other than that they were doing just fine. The real issue is they turned their back on their word.... hide

  • Fri Sep 25, 2009 10:32 am Agree: 1   Disagree: 0

    Flagged as inappropriate. show "It is NOT simply because there were no longer slaves." I fully agree. Living here in the "buckle of the Bible belt" I can tell you that I have never seen such a way of thinking. Here's an example.... GE has a major facility here. What do they make? Turbines for generating electricity (power plants). Do they make wind turbines? Yep. Do we have areas in the hills where wind turbines would work? Yep. Are the winds class 3 & 4? Yep. Is there even ONE turbine in the same county? Nope. Progress means change. The south doesn't want to change. Change is bad therefore progress is bad. "My daddy was a tabacco farmer and his daddy before him so I'm going to grow tabacco." Does it matter that there isn't a market anymore? NO!!! Special ed law has been around for over 35 years. Do they even understand it here? NO. To them a behavior plan is a punishment plan!!! They have NO concept for the most part and those teachers that do have been warned they will lose their jobs is they speak up for a child. Welcome to the south. Don't believe what the south says about the Civil War. It's there to cover up the arrogance.... hide

  • Fri Sep 25, 2009 10:24 am Agree: 1   Disagree: 0

    Flagged as inappropriate. show "The sentence says SLAVERY...not discriminatation, not segregation. " Here's my point. If I read the thread correctly it was believed that slavery would die out on it's own. Discrimination and segregation were all people could get away with after slavery was abolished. If slavery had not been abolished we may still have slavery in the south today. In fact, we do still have the root concept...they don't care what color you are and only pay minimum wage.... This is why the public schools in the South are so poor. They don't want to educated the workforce to the point where they have to pay more than minimum wage. In fact, all of the high schools in this county are within eyeshot of a mill. The goal for decades was to teach the mill children how to read, write and do math well enough to work in the mills. The other children went to private school. hide

  • Fri Sep 25, 2009 9:28 am Agree: 5   Disagree: 0

    Flagged as inappropriate. show HM, You said "It's interesting that the South was so incredibly wealthy in 1860, but after the war, most of the South never recovered for well over a hundred years." This would be because of the level of destruction that occurred during the war. The amount of crops and land that were destroyed and rendered useless for a time, the amount of property that was lost or irreparably damaged, the number of people who died or were injured in the war who could no longer help their families with the day to day operations to keep a farm or business going. It is NOT simply because there were no longer slaves. Wowie, I grew up in the north and I agree. We were only taught about the slavery aspect of the Civil War. Any other issues were glossed over. After much research, it was found that we were indeed misled. Aren't public schools fun? You can teach kids whatever you want...... hide

  • Fri Sep 25, 2009 7:25 am Agree: 4   Disagree: 0

    Flagged as inappropriate. show gg-"Slavery was dying out by the time the Civil War began, and would have almost completely vanished by the end of the 19th century if left alone." What on earth do you base that crazy conclusion on?? I find it outrageous, and pretty insulting to African Americans who were still dealing with boastfully vicious full-force discrimination in the 1960s." DP-"The fact that colors had different bathrooms, drinking fountains, schools, stores, areas they could live and so on in 1960 would indicate otherwise." ??? The sentence says SLAVERY...not discriminatation, not segregation. All three of them are disgusting! DP"Socialist revisionist history has tried to remove slavery from the issue in the public schools but those of us who grew up in the north and hold to American ideals know better." Slavery was the ONLY issue I was taught in public school up North, but I can only speak for myself. I don't "hold to American ideals" if I don't believe that slavery was the main issue? Nice to know DP. hide

  • Thu Sep 24, 2009 9:51 pm Agree: 9   Disagree: 0

    Flagged as inappropriate. show Obama is about as Christian as Osama BinLadden!!! This man is NOT Christian! Christians are NOT pro abortion, they do not believe that babies surviving abortion attempts should be left to die. True Christians are not in favor of homosexual marriage! True Christians would not run around the world loudly proclaiming that America, a nation founded on the Bible and the 10 Commandments, is NOT a Christian nation, but a muslim nation as Obama has done!! True Christians would not bow to the Saudi King and uphold Islam, a religion of satan. No, this man is not a Christian. He is a MULSIM; a muslim who hates America, Israel, and decency. He is a socialist bent on the destruction of freedom and in pursuit of world governance under the direction of Islam. Trust the government with my health care????? In a pig's eye! They couldn't manage social secuitry or medicare, how in the world could they possibly manage universal health care??? Further, in the nations where they have universal health care, the citizens are not pleased with it at all. They have to wait for years for urgent surgeries, in England, they are pulling their own teeth! In France, the government cannot pay for it. It is a fiasco of mamouth porportions, and our government wants to impliment it here? If anyone believes for one minute that the elderly will continue to get gdecent health care, or disabled people, or children under their teens, think again. The only thing these people will get is a pain pill and end of life counciling, with children getting minimal care. This is per HR3200, BTW. Once a person retires, they are of no further use to the government, because they will no longer be paying income taxes, so, in the gov's eyes, they might as well DIE and not be a drain on society. hide

  • Thu Sep 24, 2009 9:50 pm Agree: 3   Disagree: 0

    Flagged as inappropriate. show hman, and speaking of percentages, if the average slave owner owned 10 slaves as the research says and there were about 12 million whites in the slave states and around 4 million slaves that would mean that by dividing 4 million by 10 you get 400,000 slave owners. Which means 4% or less of people in the slave states owned slaves. hide

  • Thu Sep 24, 2009 9:44 pm Agree: 4   Disagree: 0

    Flagged as inappropriate. show hman, with the exception of the abolitionists most Northerners could have cared less what was happening to blacks in the South and in fact the draft riots of 1863 saw the lynching of a number of blacks in the North. And while there is no doubt slavery was a hot button topic for some on both sides, for a majority of those who fought for the South in the Civil War the issue was indeed states rights. hide

  • Thu Sep 24, 2009 9:40 pm Agree: 1   Disagree: 0

    Flagged as inappropriate. show gguy, with the arrival of the Industrial Revolution and the new inventions and technology many historians believe that slavery would have ended by the turn of the century. But that does not mean prejudice would have ended nor should we think that prejudice between blacks and whites is just in the South. Having grown up in the North I can tell you for a fact there was much racial tension in the North. In Rochester alone we had race riots in the summer of 63 and at the public high school I attended in the spring of 70 we had race riots in our school. hide

  • Thu Sep 24, 2009 9:36 pm Agree: 4   Disagree: 0

    Flagged as inappropriate. show "hman, considering your source was the Montgomery County Public Schools in Christiansburg, VA I think your statistics are very questionable indeed!" Since I went to first and second grades in that exact public school district, I can say for sure that you are not only a pervert but a liar. Today's statistics from that public school district may say differently, but Virginia was the heart of the Confederacy, and your revisionist history is laughable at best. hide

  • Thu Sep 24, 2009 7:50 pm Agree: 0   Disagree: 4

    Flagged as inappropriate. show "Slavery was dying out by the time the Civil War began, and would have almost completely vanished by the end of the 19th century if left alone." What on earth do you base that crazy conclusion on?? I find it outrageous, and pretty insulting to African Americans who were still dealing with boastfully vicious full-force discrimination in the 1960s. hide

  • Thu Sep 24, 2009 7:29 pm Agree: 1   Disagree: 1

    Flagged as inappropriate. show "Socialist revisionist history has tried to remove slavery from the issue in the public schools" - agreed (pretty much) "but those of us who grew up in the north and hold to American ideals know better." - well, maybe! :D Fight the good fight Daniel, but no fisticuffs! Catch youse guys later... hide

  • Thu Sep 24, 2009 7:28 pm Agree: 0   Disagree: 0

    Flagged as inappropriate. show Hey, DP and I are on the same side, for once ! Sort of ... :D Welcome back Daniel! :-) hide

  • Thu Sep 24, 2009 7:26 pm Agree: 1   Disagree: 0

    Flagged as inappropriate. show "Slavery was dying out by the time the Civil War began, and would have almost completely vanished by the end of the 19th century if left alone:" Ummm...the first hint is your link calls it "southern-secession"!!! The fact that colors had different bathrooms, drinking fountains, schools, stores, areas they could live and so on in 1960 would indicate otherwise. hide

  • Thu Sep 24, 2009 7:23 pm Agree: 1   Disagree: 0

    Flagged as inappropriate. show ""That the North fought the war as a crusade for the rights of black folks, to free the slaves from their chains, is easily exploded and nobody would seriously maintain it nowadays." Except those in the North!!! :D Socialist revisionist history has tried to remove slavery from the issue in the public schools but those of us who grew up in the north and hold to American ideals know better. hide

  • Thu Sep 24, 2009 7:22 pm Agree: 0   Disagree: 1

    Flagged as inappropriate. show Wowie wrote: "That the North fought the war as a crusade for the rights of black folks, to free the slaves from their chains, is easily exploded and nobody would seriously maintain it nowadays. Except HM :oD" That is not at all what I think. I have not said anything about the motives of the *North*. We have been talking about the motives of the *South*. hide

  • Thu Sep 24, 2009 7:16 pm Agree: 0   Disagree: 0

    Flagged as inappropriate. show I'm not flagging you HM. Just want you to know that. hide

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