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Society|Thu, Oct. 15 2009 03:41 PM EDT

Kindergartener's Censored Jesus Poster Case Goes to Court

By Jennifer Riley|Christian Post Reporter

The case of a former kindergarten student whose art project with Jesus was censored by his New York school will be heard in an appeals court Friday.

Antonio Peck, the student, had drawn a poster with several religious figures with the words, “The only way to save the world,” for an art project that had to show understanding about the environment. Antonio meant to express his belief that God is the only way to save the environment, according to his legal representative Liberty Counsel.

The poster was rejected by his kindergarten teacher because of its religious content and he was told to create a second poster.

For the second poster, Antonio had children holding hands around the globe, people recycling trash, and children picking up garbage. On the left side of the poster was the figure of a bearded man wearing a robe that was kneeling on the ground with hands stretched toward the sky. Although the figure is not identified, Antonio said it was Jesus.

The second poster was allowed to be displayed on a cafeteria wall, along with 80 other student posters. But what made Antonio’s poster different was it was folded in half to hide the Jesus figure.

"Despite the federal guidelines on religion in public schools recognizing that students may include religious themes in assignments, school officials insisted on folding Antonio Peck's poster in half to hide the figure they interpreted to be Jesus,” said Mathew Staver, founder of Liberty Counsel. “What a terrible message to send to students that everything is permissible so long as it is not Christian. These educators need educating about the Constitution and American history."

Liberty Counsel first filed the case on behalf of the Syracuse student and his mother in 1999. Ten years later, the case, Peck v. Baldwinsville School District, is on its third appeals hearing.

In 2000, New York federal judge Norman Mordue ruled that the school had the right to censor Antonio’s poster because of church and state concerns. A year later, the Second Circuit Court of Appeals reversed the decision and sent the case back to the trial court.

Mordue again ruled in favor of the school district in 2004, but the appeals court again reversed the ruling. The appeals court said public schools cannot censor a student’s viewpoint on a permissible subject matter when it is responsive to a school assignment or program.

The most recent ruling on the case was in October 2008, when Judge Mordue ruled once again that public school officials had the right to censor the poster. The current appeal was filed by Liberty Counsel in response to that ruling.

The federal appeals court will hear oral arguments on the case Friday morning.

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  • Mon Oct 26, 2009 12:48 am Agree: 0   Disagree: 0

    Slacker »
    Thu Oct 22, 2009 10:34 am Agree: 0 Disagree: 0 Flag

    "The Government has every duty and power to tell people how far they can push their beliefs into the public realm. Freedom of Religion only extends to the point a person engages another, it does not grant a license to go beyond that."

    Your absolutely right, however freedom of religion does give a person the right to exercise their beliefs in how they live, work and act. The government has no right to ask a person to hang up their beliefs when they engage others...
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    In Response: slacker you can't agree with me then argue against yourself.

    The government has every right and the people do too in preventing an unwanted intrusion by another into their lives.

    Can't have it both ways, you either can prevent the intrusion by limiting your ability to intrude on others thereby stopping anyone from doing so. If don't want to hear something you can stop it. Freedom of Speech has limits read the case law.

    TFR

  • Thu Oct 22, 2009 10:34 am Agree: 0   Disagree: 0

    "The Government has every duty and power to tell people how far they can push their beliefs into the public realm. Freedom of Religion only extends to the point a person engages another, it does not grant a license to go beyond that."

    Your absolutely right, however freedom of religion does give a person the right to exercise their beliefs in how they live, work and act. The government has no right to ask a person to hang up their beliefs when they engage others...

  • Wed Oct 21, 2009 12:31 pm Agree: 0   Disagree: 0

    Coach »
    Fri Oct 16, 2009 12:08 pm : 9 : 1 Flag

    This is dangerous stuff. The true spirit of church state seperation is to protect the church from the state, not the other way around. In other words, the government has no place telling people what they can and can not believe. But that is exactly what is happening in this case. The school has communicated to this child and others who share his faith that it is wrong to express a world view that includes God. The school is telling him that God has no place in environmental discussions. This isn't about church state seperation, this is government run God student seperation.
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    In Response: If you would read the explanations about the reasons behind the separation of church and state, you would understand that America was intended to be ruled form a secular legal position and not the theocracy that was in England at the time.

    The Founding Fathers intended that America be distanced from any church involvement in the founding documents.

    The Federalist papers and other pres releases go to great lengths to explain all of this. You are hearing revisionist history and reacting because of it and not looking at the true history of America.

    If the Founding fathers wanted America to be a theocracy they would have said it without any ambiguity which they did not. There is no ambiguity in the documents, if you think there is you haven't understood the documents nor spent enough time studying history to make it clear to you.

    The Government has every duty and power to tell people how far they can push their beliefs into the public realm. Freedom of Religion only extends to the point a person engages another, it does not grant a license to go beyond that.
    TFR

  • Wed Oct 21, 2009 6:15 am Agree: 0   Disagree: 0

    Two very separate issues DP. When an issue is tied to a school, the line of freedom of anything (religion, speech, expression, etc) is finely blurred. Could you tell me more about the urine in the glass incident?

  • Wed Oct 21, 2009 2:25 am Agree: 5   Disagree: 1

    "Why do so many school systems have such a hard time in seeing the difference between a student's free expression of religion and a school system endorsing a religion?"

    Since a government grant pays for urine in a glass with a cross in it and calls it art ... how can they say this isn't OK?

  • Tue Oct 20, 2009 10:56 am Agree: 1   Disagree: 0

    "Thanks Slacker (although we agreed, so hell must be pretty cold right now.) "

    Yeah, Its ok though, we can agree to disagree sometimes...

  • Tue Oct 20, 2009 10:36 am Agree: 1   Disagree: 0

    Thanks Slacker (although we agreed, so hell must be pretty cold right now.)

  • Tue Oct 20, 2009 9:37 am Agree: 2   Disagree: 1

    "Cogitator, its a shame that you'd slam some of the hardest working members of our society based on your completely unfounded stereotype. Whoever made the statement that those who can't teach should be taken out back and beaten. We put in long hours and pour our blood, sweat, and tears (literally for all three) into everything we do in school. Are there some incompetent teachers and administrators? Absolutely. Are there some who could run circles around the work you do in a day? You bet! Get a clue before you go bashing people you know absolutely nothing about. "

    I agree with Mike on this (for once), I married into a teaching family and I will have to say that teachers are tough bunch, to a point i envy them cuz alot of them have more gumpshen then I do...

  • Tue Oct 20, 2009 9:35 am Agree: 5   Disagree: 0

    "The Appeals Court have had 3 tries to get it right and still haven't. Once those f&e activist judges are gone then the secular law can be restored and open the way to the restoration of this country back to principles it was founded on. If you chose to respond, please cite the Constitutional sections that you can that specifically say and using these words:"

    Dude, you need to get alife, why are you foisting your anti-religious ideas on this case, the child drew a poster and included Jesus in it, the only argumetn the teacher had was that it wasn't the assignment. The part of the Constitution this case relates to is the FREE EXERCISE CLAUSE of the first amendment. You know people have the right to exercise there freedom of religion.

    This case has nothing to do with putting religion back into schools, it has to do with one child wanting to exercise his constitiutional rights...

  • Mon Oct 19, 2009 9:39 pm Agree: 8   Disagree: 6

    Hahaha, you think I seriously want to know how to become more homosexual? That's nice, but why don't you answer the question?

    Your second post shows absolutely nothing but ignorance and arrogance, ignorance to think you know the first thing about public schools beyond your filthy lies, and arrogance to suggest that private schools are affordable. It floors me that people as cold hearted as you who so easily believe their psychotic lies believe themselves to be practicing Christians with any right whatsoever to comment on my belief in God. Truly laughable!

  • Mon Oct 19, 2009 7:22 pm Agree: 6   Disagree: 9

    Mike85 (a homosexual teacher allowed contact with children) `said,

    "Whoever made the statement that those who can't teach should be taken out back and beaten."

    Yeah, I too would like to know who made that statement. I'd like to know why he said "out back".

    "We put in long hours and pour our blood, sweat, and tears (literally for all three) into everything we do in school."

    Literally? That will be news to all the parents who would rather certain teachers keep their bodily fluids away from their children.

    Cogitator - excellent comment, especially "It is too dangerous to turn your children over to such simple-minded people.", although I would have said it is too dangerous to turn your children over to such single-minded people.

    This is perhaps one of the essential things most parents, dumbed-down from too many years spent in public school themselves, can't comprehend.
    The ones who are most vocal in the school system have a single goal - to promote the agenda of the Radical Feminist/Homosexual Alliance, the covert network of activists who completed their takeover of the schools by the 1980's, and whose members are anti-Christian, anti-family, anti-male, pro-abortion, pro-evolution, and most importantly pro-homosexual.

    Many parents leave their children exposed to perverts who spread their atheist propaganda along with their blood, sweat, tears, semen and feces on anyone within their sphere of influence.

    I encourage parents to make the sacrifice and pull their children out of the RFHA's public school system. Send them to a private school (some are surprisingly affordable) that promotes decent values and teaches traditional subjects, or homeschool.

    Turnip-brained teachers and brainwashed parents will say you should send your children to public school so they can learn socialization skills - the last reason you should send them into the RFHA's school system.
    Private schools will say you should send your children to their school so they can receive an excellent education while in an environment that promotes decency and all the values most people respect as good.

    Learn socialization skills vs Receive an excellent education.

    TGF
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    The most loving thing you can do for your family is to pull them out of the public school system and keep them far away from apostate churches.

  • Mon Oct 19, 2009 7:21 pm Agree: 4   Disagree: 7

    Mike85 asked,

    "Tell me, how exactly does one become "more homosexual?""

    It doesn't surprise me that you would desire to know.

    TGF
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    It may be, that the more we try to force some to stop being homosexual, the more homosexual they'll be.

  • Mon Oct 19, 2009 1:45 pm Agree: 1   Disagree: 1

    Blacksho89 » Thu Oct 15, 2009 6:57 pm How many times has Mordue been overturned on other cases? You'd think he'd learn..
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    In Response: The Appeals Court have had 3 tries to get it right and still haven't. Once those f&e activist judges are gone then the secular law can be restored and open the way to the restoration of this country back to principles it was founded on. If you chose to respond, please cite the Constitutional sections that you can that specifically say and using these words:
    The christian god is the definition of the term creator. f&e followers are the only ones who can dictate to America on secular issues. That the inclusion of religious ideology into America is mandated and required by this document. Remember only those specific words and only from the Constitution itself. There is absolutely nothing in the Constitution that says any of that nonsense. The Constitution was explained in a series of newspaper articles and via the Federalist Papers. Since this is yet another case where the issue is making sure the f&e crowd keeps their brand of religion in the schools, the counsel for them is one of the recognized thumper firms who set these actions up in order to keep the pressure on and to continue using the backdoor approach to force f&e religion on America.
    Why doesn't this site have more articles about how many cases these firms lose and why doesn't the article give any citations to read the decisions by the courts? I will tell you why, if the readers here were to read and understand the rulings then they would quickly grasp what happened and why the courts ruled. It would dispel much if not all of the false reporting and with all the facts the folks would then be aware that they are being lied to about many things including the revisionist history they are getting while in church from pulpit puppets convincing them that America was founded on their principles and that their rights are being violated, that they can force their ideology on everyone and blah blah blah. That will be stopped and people will have to recognize the truth from the lies on the part of the f&e crowd. They lie every day about the history of America,about the laws, and about most anything connected with the truth as long as it furthers the agenda of the fascist based f&e crowd. I would use the word bigots but it doesn't describe them well enough. they follow the same plan Hitler used in Germany with the takeover, only their agenda and plans were so easily discovered and now they are desperate to hang onto anything at this point and so the need for the thumper firms to keep the cases coming and crowd the courts with repeated appeals to wear down the resources of anyone in order to win by attrition and not through the proper way of prevailing upon sound legal argument. Winning an appeal is easier than you think, it is most often on technicalities and not the merits of the case.
    TFR

  • Sun Oct 18, 2009 6:50 pm Agree: 7   Disagree: 6

    Cogitator, its a shame that you'd slam some of the hardest working members of our society based on your completely unfounded stereotype. Whoever made the statement that those who can't teach should be taken out back and beaten. We put in long hours and pour our blood, sweat, and tears (literally for all three) into everything we do in school. Are there some incompetent teachers and administrators? Absolutely. Are there some who could run circles around the work you do in a day? You bet! Get a clue before you go bashing people you know absolutely nothing about.

  • Sun Oct 18, 2009 3:34 pm Agree: 3   Disagree: 7

    Many years ago when I was in college, the dumbest kids on campus were in the college of education. From what I gather it is still that way, but the students today are even stupider. The say when you can't do, you teach. I have a corollary to that: when you can't teach you administrate. So school administrators are among the least fit people to be found anywhere. Only such people could consistently overlook the "free exercise" of religion. This is another reason to homeschool if possible. It is too dangerous to turn your children over to such simple-minded people. And some don't even have that excuse, they are just plain mean-spirited.

  • Sat Oct 17, 2009 8:05 am Agree: 9   Disagree: 7

    Well I'm sure that when you're as hate filled as you are, that would be true. Tell me, how exactly does one become "more homosexual?"

  • Sat Oct 17, 2009 1:14 am Agree: 8   Disagree: 12

    Mike85, its very clear your desires are in no way natural and approved by the one true God.

    TGF
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    It may be, that the more we try to force some to stop being homosexual, the more homosexual they'll be.

  • Fri Oct 16, 2009 12:08 pm Agree: 9   Disagree: 11

    This is dangerous stuff. The true spirit of church state seperation is to protect the church from the state, not the other way around. In other words, the government has no place telling people what they can and can not believe. But that is exactly what is happening in this case. The school has communicated to this child and others who share his faith that it is wrong to express a world view that includes God. The school is telling him that God has no place in environmental discussions. This isn't about church state seperation, this is government run God student seperation.

  • Fri Oct 16, 2009 11:12 am Agree: 9   Disagree: 7

    Gibbons, its very clear your desires are in no way based on our legal system.

  • Fri Oct 16, 2009 11:12 am Agree: 5   Disagree: 3

    Believer, for once we agree! We actually debated this exact case in my law class and I was on the side for the student. The only possible reason the school could have denied the poster was that the original assignment said to draw what they had learned about the environment in class for the poster. Obviously, the public school didn't teach about Jesus and the environment, so the teacher could have had the student redo the poster on those grounds. She very clearly made the issue about his religious expression, which students do have the right to do. That's a big no no on her part!

  • Thu Oct 15, 2009 11:24 pm Agree: 6   Disagree: 9

    In most cases involving public officials abusing the rights of citizens, it is unfortunate that the tax payer usually has to pay to defend them, and when found guilty, the abusive official usually isn't the one who has to pay - usually it's the tax payer again.

    Whenever malicious intent or persecution can be proved, the guilty official should be made to pay all of the costs, lose their job and/or go to jail.

    A great many liberals should be discouraged from seeking public positions and then using those positions to further their personal political agenda while causing much anguish to normal people.

    TGF
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    The most loving thing you can do for your family is to pull them out of the public school system and keep them far away from apostate churches.

  • Thu Oct 15, 2009 9:53 pm Agree: 6   Disagree: 2

    You have to wonder about the public school system and judges like Mordue. They seem to see dangerous Christianist theocrats under every bed.

  • Thu Oct 15, 2009 7:52 pm Agree: 9   Disagree: 5

    Why do so many school systems have such a hard time in seeing the difference between a student's free expression of religion and a school system endorsing a religion?

  • Thu Oct 15, 2009 6:57 pm Agree: 3   Disagree: 1

    How many times has Mordue been overturned on other cases?
    You'd think he'd learn..

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