Updated 02:59 pm.EST, Fri November 20, 2009

Society|Sat, Oct. 24 2009 11:50 AM EDT

Okla. Pro-Life Laws Face Legal Challenges

By Nathan Black|Christian Post Reporter

An abortion law in Oklahoma that would require women seeking abortions to disclose such information as their relationship with the baby's father and the reason for the abortion has been put on hold.

Oklahoma County District Court Judge Twyla Mason Gray issued a temporary restraining order blocking enforcement of the new law, which was slated to take effect on Nov. 1.

Abortion advocates have challenged the law, saying it violates privacy protections.

"It is particularly Draconian, abusive, intimidating," said former Democratic state Rep. Wanda Jo Stapleton, who filed a lawsuit challenging the reporting requirements, as reported by The Associated Press. "Those are totally intimidating, totally personal questions, and it's nobody's business."

The Statistical Reporting of Abortions Act requires pregnant women to answer questions on their race and education, whether they're having relationship problems, and whether they can't afford to raise a child, among others. Doctors are also required to report any complications that develop in the course of the procedure. Those responses are then sent to the Oklahoma State Department of Health

The measure, which was sponsored by two pro-life Republican lawmakers, state Senator Todd Lamb and Rep. Dan Sullivan, also bans abortion based on gender selection and/or preference.

"This is a simple bill that will protect the life of the unborn," said Sullivan. "The reporting will allow us to know exactly how many abortions are being performed in Oklahoma and why they are occurring so we can possibly adjust policy to further reduce the number of abortions in our state."

Jennifer Mondino, staff attorney at the Center for Reproductive Rights, which is representing the plaintiffs in the lawsuit, described the measure as a "cheap legislative trick" that's unconstitutional.

"These ‘bundled abortion restrictions' have nothing to do with protecting the people of Oklahoma and everything to do with lawmakers who have political agendas trying to make it harder for women to get abortions and harder for doctors to provide them," Mondino argued.

But pro-life advocates say opponents of the legislation have persistently misrepresented the Oklahoma law.

Tony Lauinger, state chairman of Oklahomans For Life, told LifeSiteNews that abortion advocates and the media are misleading the public.

He rejected the widespread claim that reports about a woman's abortion and her personal information will be posted on the Web. He also pointed out that the new law eliminates the current law's requirement that women disclose their residential information.

The new measure, Lauinger contended to LifeSiteNews, actually protects a woman's privacy more than the current state law.

Under the reporting law, information collected is sent to the Department of Health which then produces an annual statistical analysis of the demographic information. Individual abortion reports will not be published.

"It is hoped that the information gathered will make it possible in the future to address some of the underlying societal problems, such as absence of child support or lack of childcare, which lead some women to seek abortions.” Lauinger told LifeSiteNews, noting that the ultimate goal is to reduce abortions.

The Health Department has been directed to ensure personal information does not go public, Sullivan said.

Another state law that required women seeking an abortion to receive an ultrasound and a doctor’s description of the fetus is also in court.

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  • Wed Nov 04, 2009 1:52 pm Agree: 1   Disagree: 0

    "If they're concerned about reducing abortion, what programs have they proposed or supported to ensure that everyone of potentially reproductive age, young women especially, has accurate and complete information about reproductive biology, including contraception?"

    That's a specious argument. Comprehensive sex education is the rule, not the exception, even in Oklahoma. In a perfect world parents would provide that education, but so it goes.

  • Mon Nov 02, 2009 9:41 pm Agree: 1   Disagree: 1

    When does life begin? What does God think about kiiling the unborn? These are the questions we should be discussing.

    Pro-choice is a nice term for Pro-Death. Pro-life is just what it says.

  • GMG »
    Sat Oct 31, 2009 11:28 pm Agree: 1   Disagree: 2

    Knowsis

    I'm all for education. Now say Jane Smith has been very educated, but one night, whoops! her BC didn't work, and she got pregnant. NOW how do you address the issue....

    And this is what this article is all about.

  • Fri Oct 30, 2009 3:10 pm Agree: 2   Disagree: 1

    I do not like abortion, but I like this kind of law even less because of the huge ramifications to woman's well being. There are better ways to address abortion, like education.

  • Fri Oct 30, 2009 3:08 pm Agree: 2   Disagree: 0

    Kim thanks for your words. I had no idea about the chromosomes.

  • Wed Oct 28, 2009 1:07 am Agree: 3   Disagree: 0

    RB - yes, thanks, I got it. My comments didn't refer to you - you seem to be more in touch with scientific facts than many. I was only illustrating how readily the article you mentioned jumped to completely irrational conclusions.

  • Tue Oct 27, 2009 9:23 pm Agree: 5   Disagree: 0

    klm68
    That was the title of the article written by one of the conservative columnists on this site not a comment from me.

  • Tue Oct 27, 2009 5:45 am Agree: 4   Disagree: 0

    No, babies with Down syndrome won't disappear. The most rudimentary understanding of heredity rules out that possibility.

    There's not a gene for Down syndrome. Down syndrome is caused by having three copies of chromosome #21. That happens if the chromosomes don't segregate properly when the egg is produced, so the egg has two copies of chromosome #21 rather than one, as it should. It gets the third copy from the father when the egg is fertilized.

    Other chromosome anomalies occur but aren't viable, and are a large part of why something like 50-80% of the zygotes (fertilized eggs) fail to implant and develop. Chromosome #21 is the smallest of the autosomes (non-sex chromosomes), so the detrimental effects are lower.

    Improper cell division when the egg is formed is more common as a woman gets older, which explains the higher rate of Downs from older mothers.

    People can have extra or missing sex chromosomes (i.e., the x and the y chromosomes). Thus people can be xxy, xxx, xyy, xo (only one sex chromosome) or other combinations. A zygote with only a y chromosome (no x) is inviable. It's also possible for crossing over to occur between the x and y chromosomes when the sperm are produced, sometimes producing fully functional males that are xx or females that are xy. It's hard to know how often this happens since there is no routine screening for chromosomal anomalies in healthy people.

  • Mon Oct 26, 2009 6:45 pm Agree: 6   Disagree: 0

    The 9 out of 10 choosing abortion if they know they will give birth to a downs syndrome child was in a column written by Mohler.

    09/19/2009
    Will Babies with Down Syndrome Just Disappear?

  • Mon Oct 26, 2009 6:40 pm Agree: 5   Disagree: 0

    Slacker, there was an article posted on this site (can't find it since they have redone the site) that stated that 9 out of 10 who discovered they were going to have a downs syndrome child chose to abort.

  • GMG »
    Mon Oct 26, 2009 12:42 pm Agree: 0   Disagree: 1

    caritaspromundi

    Could you please provide a link to this information?

  • GMG »
    Mon Oct 26, 2009 12:39 pm Agree: 0   Disagree: 3

    Kim,

    Yes you didaddress issues such as education and the like, and how do you know which of these they are or are not doing? Or what legislation was presented in the past, etc. All I am saying is that it appears people jump to a lot of conclusions here. My point is, what do you do once someone gets pregnant in spite of all the steps taken, and how do you find out what is lacking that results finally in a decision for abortion. Do you take a poll after the fact? Or is it more accurate, complete, and useful to get that information at the begining. I would think that getting information at the beginning would be more useful to pinpointing positive problem resolution.

    " Nobody likes abortion. Anyone I've ever talked with about their personal experience wishes the whole situation never occurred. It's not an easy decision. But no one I've ever talked with had any regrets"

    Well, you can't say that anymore. My pain and regret has lasted over 3 decades.


    Slacker,

    "How about people take responsibility for their actions"

    I agree. Maybe they can help to make that happen by finding out what kind of help is needed.

  • Mon Oct 26, 2009 12:39 pm Agree: 3   Disagree: 0

    This must be an update to the article - Oklahoma is attemting to enact a law that would give access online , to the names of anyone who has sought or had , an abortion. I've read the contents of the legislation.

  • Mon Oct 26, 2009 11:55 am Agree: 4   Disagree: 12

    "You all are painting this very broadly as a bad thing. Tell me, just what would you do to try to find an answer to the problems people face that lead them to choose abortion. Have any better ideas? Why don't you present them. "

    How about people take responsibility for their actions...

  • Mon Oct 26, 2009 11:53 am Agree: 5   Disagree: 10

    "But remember that 90% of women who discover fetal abnormalities in pre-natal testing terminate the pregnancy."

    Where did you get this number from, That doesn't seem accurate givent he number of people applying for government aid for disable kids...

  • Mon Oct 26, 2009 12:03 am Agree: 11   Disagree: 1

    GMG wrote "You all are painting this very broadly as a bad thing. Tell me, just what would you do to try to find an answer to the problems people face that lead them to choose abortion. Have any better ideas? Why don't you present them."

    I already did. Instead of harassing women by making them state their personal problems for the public record, these legislators should be working for programs that support low income families with children, children's health care, education, etc. They should also be promoting complete and accurate sex education, including information on contraception, and they should make contraception in all forms readily and cheaply available. They should also promote efforts for outreach and education via popular media.

    Nobody likes abortion. Anyone I've ever talked with about their personal experience wishes the whole situation never occurred. It's not an easy decision. But no one I've ever talked with had any regrets.

    This legislation is intended as harassment. The goal is to make abortion such a heinous ordeal that no one (they think) will do it. You should hear Kate Michelman talk about what she went through to get an abortion before Roe v. Wade. We can - and should - do better than that now.

  • GMG »
    Sun Oct 25, 2009 5:54 pm Agree: 0   Disagree: 6

    You all are painting this very broadly as a bad thing. Tell me, just what would you do to try to find an answer to the problems people face that lead them to choose abortion. Have any better ideas? Why don't you present them.

    And asking a bunch of questions about proposed legislation, and then just assuming none has been proposed, is a cop-out. You might look it up before you jump to conclusions.

    Do you think abortion is a good thing? Birth control sounds like such a simple solution, but it fails quite frequently. Then what? At least they are trying to address the "then what" question.

  • Sun Oct 25, 2009 8:57 am Agree: 8   Disagree: 2

    So, how will they address "absence of child support or lack of childcare"? By banning abortion and ensuring the need for them? Will they provide education for the undereducated? Counseling or protection for those having relationship problems? Sufficient income for those who can't afford to raise a child? Unlikely. They will simply enshrine in law the anti-choice position of "you got pregnant, now deal with it, suffer, and shut up."

  • Sun Oct 25, 2009 8:50 am Agree: 6   Disagree: 2

    ""It is hoped that the information gathered will make it possible in the future to address some of the underlying societal problems, such as absence of child support or lack of childcare, which lead some women to seek abortions.” Lauinger told LifeSiteNews, noting that the ultimate goal is to reduce abortions." Availability of child care or child support is usually a known variable. As they said, "the ultimate goal is to reduce abortions", by any fraudulent means necessary.

  • Sun Oct 25, 2009 8:01 am Agree: 6   Disagree: 3

    Teach the use of birth control to kids pre-puberty and honestly, make access easier for The Pill, and post-sex drugs and therapeutic abortions would fall.

    But remember that 90% of women who discover fetal abnormalities in pre-natal testing terminate the pregnancy.

  • Sun Oct 25, 2009 3:27 am Agree: 7   Disagree: 3

    And what exactly does the Oklahoma State Department of Health *do* when informed that someone is "having relationship problems"?

    If the woman states that she wouldn't be able to afford to raise a child, does the State step in and help with the necessary expenses?

    Are Sen. Lamb and Rep. Sullivan as concerned about babies after they're born as well as before they're born? What legislation have they introduced to support children?

    If they're concerned about reducing abortion, what programs have they proposed or supported to ensure that everyone of potentially reproductive age, young women especially, has accurate and complete information about reproductive biology, including contraception?

    This is a transparent attempt to harass and shame women by any possible means.

  • GMG »
    Sat Oct 24, 2009 10:02 pm Agree: 5   Disagree: 11

    Obama touts the idea that we should reduce abortion by reducing the need for abortion. Sounds like this would assist his stated goal.

    aveteran, have you ever been a single parent? Child support and child care are serious problems when there is a lack in these areas.

  • Sat Oct 24, 2009 1:01 pm Agree: 15   Disagree: 5

    Flagged as inappropriate. show ""It is hoped that the information gathered will make it possible in the future to address some of the underlying societal problems, such as absence of child support or lack of childcare, which lead some women to seek abortions.” Lauinger told LifeSiteNews, noting that the ultimate goal is to reduce abortions." Availability of child care or child support is usually a known variable. As they said, "the ultimate goal is to reduce abortions", by any fraudulent means necessary. hide

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