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Conservatives Vow to Keep Close Watch on Hate Crimes Law

By Michelle A. Vu|Christian Post Reporter

Christian conservative groups will be keeping a close watch over how new hate crimes legislation will be enforced after President Obama signed it into law Wednesday.

“Although we don’t know the full ramifications of this bill as of yet, my staff and I will be watching closely for any possible infringement on the rights of our members and pastors to speak out against the sin of homosexuality based on the Word of God,” said Dr. Gerald B. Kieschnick, president of The Lutheran Church – Missouri Synod, in a statement.

Like Erik Stanley, senior legal counsel with the Alliance Defense Fund, Kieschnick said he doesn’t believe there will be “immediate” prosecution of pastors and churches for teaching that homosexual behavior is sinful, but the threat to free speech is “nonetheless real.”

The Matthew Shepard and James Byrd, Jr. Hate Crimes Prevention Act, passed by Congress last week, adds sexual orientation, gender, gender identity and disability to the list of federal hate crimes and allows the federal government more room to intervene in investigation and prosecution of hate crimes.

The bill, tucked inside the $680 billion defense spending bill, was named after Matthew Shepard, a gay University of Wyoming student who was kidnapped and beaten to death in October 1998, and James Byrd Jr., a black man who was dragged to death behind a pickup truck in Texas in 1998.

President Obama, with the mother of Matthew Shepard and the sister of James Byrd, Jr. at his side, signed the act into law Wednesday at the White House.

In his remarks at the reception, Obama said hate crimes are not only about physical harm, but they “break spirits” and “instill fear.”

“[N]o one in America should ever be afraid to walk down the street holding the hands of the person they love,” Obama declared.

The Human Rights Campaign, the nation’s largest lesbian, gay, bisexual and transgender advocacy group, calls the hate crimes law the “nation’s first major piece of civil rights legislation” for LGBT.

Though supporters hail the signing of the hate crimes bill an advancement in U.S. civil rights, opponents fear the law will be used to restrict the free speech of pastors and Christians who say that homosexuality is a sin.

Critics contend that pastors can be unfairly linked to a hate crime if they preach homosexuality as sin and someone who hears the sermon later harms another because of their sexual orientation.

“ADF has clearly seen the evidence of where ‘hate crimes’ legislation leads when it has been tried around the world: It paves the way for the criminalization of speech that is not deemed ‘politically correct,’” warned Erik Stanley, senior legal counsel with Alliance Defense Fund. “‘Hate crimes’ laws fly in the face of the underlying purpose of the First Amendment, which was designed specifically to protect unpopular speech.”

Family Research Council President Tony Perkins also criticized the hate crimes bill as a threat to the free speech of Americans, saying that the hate crimes law lays a legal foundation and framework for “investigating, prosecuting and prosecuting” pastors and Christian business owners “whose actions reflect their faith.” Continue »

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  • Thu Nov 05, 2009 8:21 am Agree: 0   Disagree: 3

    Flagged as inappropriate. show All homophile coddling laws such as this one should be abolished, as it does nothing except to promote the immoral and satanic sodomite agenda. Homophile behavior of any kind should be criminalized, not given protection by govts, The sodomites and their coddlers will now use this immoral law to violate the God-given freedom of speech freedom of religion and freedom of conscience of all True Christians and anyone who opposes the sodomite agenda. hide

  • Mon Nov 02, 2009 9:03 pm Agree: 3   Disagree: 1

    DP: The "civil rights" illustrated in the Bible are sorely wanting. Condoning slavery, buying off a rape victim's father for a few shekels, stoning of heretics, adulterers, and sassy children, not to mention wholesale genocide of neighboring nations - such respect for the rights of individuals.

  • Mon Nov 02, 2009 8:54 pm Agree: 1   Disagree: 1

    Flagged as inappropriate. show
    Citing WingNutDaily as a news source makes as much sense as consulting the Bible for civil rights advice. Unless you're planning to commit or incite violence against a person or class of people protected by the legislation, you have nothing to worry about. But then again, I believe many of you probably do have reason to worry, based on the hateful rhetoric I have seen in these forums. Most annoyances such as the Philadelphia nitwits can be easily dealt with by charges of harrassment and disturbing the peace. Until they start assaulting people who ignore them, that is.

  • Mon Nov 02, 2009 12:23 pm Agree: 1   Disagree: 2

    Daniel Paul »
    Sun Nov 01, 2009 12:58 pm Agree: 0 Disagree: 3 Flag

    AL--"You must accept that this is a secular nation, not a theocracy"

    We are not a secular nation. WE are made up of people who believe in a variety of things. I am not a secular person. Are you saying I am not part of the American society?
    ---------------------------------------------------------
    In Response: This is exactly the problem with your posting habits you change the context of what was said and provide no reference point to cross check what you are posting it based upon a true and fully accurate statement of the original post.

    This country is based upon Secular Laws not religious ones. While you remain in this country you are under the secular law and you can't prove under the law that your religious beliefs allows you the ability to avoid or evade their enforcement over you or the rest of your f&e crowd.

    So once again this is a nation of secular laws not a theocracy in which your viewpoints are law in in case nor are they enforceable under those secular laws regardless of how many times you vote in an unconstitutional edict.

    TFR

  • Mon Nov 02, 2009 1:05 am Agree: 2   Disagree: 1

    aveteran »Sun Nov 01, 2009 7:25 pm
    "Citing WingNutDaily as a news source makes as much sense as consulting the Bible for civil rights advice."

    Actually, the Bible has quite a bit of civil rights in it. The Bible says you are to love your wife and that she is a co-heir with you. This is equality at it's finest!

  • Mon Nov 02, 2009 1:03 am Agree: 1   Disagree: 3

    Homosexual Man »Sun Nov 01, 2009 5:23 pm
    "Yes, we are a secular nation Daniel, and yes, you are a secular person."

    Secular: "of or pertaining to worldly things or to things that are not regarded as religious, spiritual, or sacred;"

    Jhn 17:14 I have given them thy word; and the world hath hated them, because they are not of the world, even as I am not of the world.

    Jhn 17:18 As thou hast sent me into the world, even so have I also sent them into the world.

    Rom 12:2 And be not conformed to this world: but be ye transformed by the renewing of your mind, that ye may prove what [is] that good, and acceptable, and perfect, will of God.

    1Cr 2:12 Now we have received, not the spirit of the world, but the spirit which is of God; that we might know the things that are freely given to us of God.

    Gal 6:14 But God forbid that I should glory, save in the cross of our Lord Jesus Christ, by whom the world is crucified unto me, and I unto the world.

    Col 2:8 Beware lest any man spoil you through philosophy and vain deceit, after the tradition of men, after the rudiments of the world, and not after Christ.

    So, I am NOT secular. I am alive in Christ and:
    Gal 2:20 I am crucified with Christ: nevertheless I live; yet not I, but Christ liveth in me: and the life which I now live in the flesh I live by the faith of the Son of God, who loved me, and gave himself for me.

    So...this is not a secular nation as long as Christians have the right of citizenship.

  • Sun Nov 01, 2009 7:25 pm Agree: 5   Disagree: 1

    Flagged as inappropriate. show Citing WingNutDaily as a news source makes as much sense as consulting the Bible for civil rights advice. Unless you're planning to commit or incite violence against a person or class of people protected by the legislation, you have nothing to worry about. But then again, I believe many of you probably do have reason to worry, based on the hateful rhetoric I have seen in these forums. Most annoyances such as the Philadelphia nitwits can be easily dealt with by charges of harrassment and disturbing the peace. Until they start assaulting people who ignore them, that is. hide

  • Sun Nov 01, 2009 5:26 pm Agree: 3   Disagree: 2

    Flagged as inappropriate. show Pammie wrote: "The Bible says homosexuality is wrong. That settles it." What the Bible says is that you are to *murder* gay people. You defy that direct command, because you know that the Bible is wrong. You *know* that that is not a command from God. *That* settles it. hide

  • Sun Nov 01, 2009 5:23 pm Agree: 3   Disagree: 0

    Yes, we are a secular nation Daniel, and yes, you are a secular person.

  • Sun Nov 01, 2009 12:58 pm Agree: 0   Disagree: 4

    AL--"You must accept that this is a secular nation, not a theocracy"

    We are not a secular nation. WE are made up of people who believe in a variety of things. I am not a secular person. Are you saying I am not part of the American society?

  • GMG »
    Sun Nov 01, 2009 1:20 am Agree: 0   Disagree: 2

    Al, well I suppose you may have forgotten what you had said and therefore couldn't relate my comment to anything you had said, so in deference to this:

    >>>You must accept that this is a secular nation, not a theocracy so remember that the next time you try to post that your religion is anything more than your belief and not something that is enforceable upon anyone else, no matter how much you want it to be the case.<<<

    Ergo, my comment that "We vote our beliefs. So our beliefs have power."

    My statement supports my position.

  • Sun Nov 01, 2009 12:27 am Agree: 3   Disagree: 0

    GMG »
    Sat Oct 31, 2009 11:35 pm

    We vote our beliefs. So our beliefs have power
    ----------------------------------------------------------------
    In Response; Please respond to my questions in full don't state a non responsive comment, re read my post and respond as I have asked. Support you position as well.

    TFR

  • GMG »
    Sat Oct 31, 2009 11:35 pm Agree: 0   Disagree: 3

    We vote our beliefs. So our beliefs have power.

  • Sat Oct 31, 2009 9:24 pm Agree: 5   Disagree: 1

    pammie »
    Sat Oct 31, 2009 7:48 pm Agree: 0 Disagree: 0 Flag

    The Bible says homosexuality is wrong. That settles it. We who believe God's word should continue to preach the TRUTH without wavering. But we should not show up at gay events with a megaphone like the group in Phili. The Bible says we should not cast our pearls before swine (Matthew 7:6). We should preach to those willing to listen. The others we should pray for and leave in God's hands.
    -----------------------------------------------------------------------------------------
    In Response: Your bible is not the law of the land in America, in fact your religion can't be used as secular reasoning to even base a law upon.

    You must have forgotten that there is a Separation of Church and State, so again your religious ideology is not law nor can it be used as a doctrine to force others to obey under the Secular laws of the people.

    You must accept that this is a secular nation, not a theocracy so remember that the next time you try to post that your religion is anything more than your belief and not something that is enforceable upon anyone else, no matter how much you want it to be the case.
    TFR

  • Sat Oct 31, 2009 7:48 pm Agree: 1   Disagree: 4

    Flagged as inappropriate. show The Bible says homosexuality is wrong. That settles it. We who believe God's word should continue to preach the TRUTH without wavering. But we should not show up at gay events with a megaphone like the group in Phili. The Bible says we should not cast our pearls before swine (Matthew 7:6). We should preach to those willing to listen. The others we should pray for and leave in God's hands. hide

  • Sat Oct 31, 2009 12:03 pm Agree: 4   Disagree: 1

    Majority say it's right isn't always right, histories are evidence, what's really happening at countries prove this; facts show that sacred-humans are the more cold -cruel(It's not God's will or bless ). Let's listen-understand deeply our beloved who're minority-weak .Country in love-unite be firm-strong.

  • Sat Oct 31, 2009 11:48 am Agree: 3   Disagree: 2

    We're so peaceless to hear , if this sinful -belief cause people to be cruel-hurt, that's mean it's not based on words of God.God (Apostles)judged the behaviours as sinful is according to the serious situation at that time(2000 B.C or 1-100 A.D.) ; it's different compare with the people of today.Why still not aware of this?

  • Fri Oct 30, 2009 10:41 pm Agree: 4   Disagree: 1

    Slacker »
    Fri Oct 30, 2009 11:00 am Agree: 0 Disagree: 1 Flag

    'Also, factcheck.org and other fact checkign sites have debunked the idea that speech will be affected. KKK members aren't aressted for their speech - only if they directly and willfully cause violence. "

    If you think speech won't be affected, you are blind, speech will be effected just like it was in Pennsylvania, which is why their hate crimes was ruled unconsitituional, which this one will most likely be...
    --------------------------------------------------
    In Response: NO slacker the Pennsylvania Law was not struck down on that reason it was struck down due to the enforcement being tied to the Interstate Commerce Clause and the Court found it was not enforceable under that. There was more but that was the major reason for the ruling, please pay attention when I post and then verify it by the link that was given in my original post on the subject.

    TFR

  • Fri Oct 30, 2009 2:08 pm Agree: 1   Disagree: 1

    Apology accepted. I am sorry too that I may have just read your post in the wrong light. :) To your point, I think people may try, heck I am sure people have tried to with regards to the other things covered in the hate crimes bill. The important part is to protect those that need protecting, watch the law (all laws) for abuses, and keep our minds on lifting people up. I do not think homosexuality is bad, but you believe it is a sin. I will protect your right to shout that out at the top of your lungs, and I assume you would protect mine to do the same. AND we must both protect each other from those who would with either of us harm for our opinions. In doing these things, we set good examples and create an atmosphere of communication - which is imperative to a peaceful world. Don't you think?

  • Fri Oct 30, 2009 1:58 pm Agree: 1   Disagree: 1

    "No need to be rude, I just disagree with you. I think there are plenty of groups out there now that speak hateful things and are not persecuted or jailed. Free speech is still protected, and if there comes a time that it is not, I will stand with people to make sure it is, even if I disagree with what is being said. However, I stand by the hate crimes bill and the fact that orientation is part of it along with race, religion, creed, disability...."

    I wasn't trying to be rude if it came accross like that, I appologize if it was. I agree those that are being percecuted should be protected. I however think that people are going to use this legislation to force people to accept something that they cannot and also to silence people that don't agree with them...

  • Fri Oct 30, 2009 11:43 am Agree: 2   Disagree: 1

    There is a difference, and it is stated in the bill, between speech and inciting violence. If the track asks people to pick up a weapon and harm someone, yeah... then that may be considered a crime, but if it is telling people what you believe and asking them to consider believing it too - there is nothing wrong with that. ((reread a post and wanted to address this part))

  • Fri Oct 30, 2009 11:18 am Agree: 1   Disagree: 0

    No need to be rude, I just disagree with you. I think there are plenty of groups out there now that speak hateful things and are not persecuted or jailed. Free speech is still protected, and if there comes a time that it is not, I will stand with people to make sure it is, even if I disagree with what is being said. However, I stand by the hate crimes bill and the fact that orientation is part of it along with race, religion, creed, disability....

  • Fri Oct 30, 2009 11:15 am Agree: 5   Disagree: 0

    Well, people also choose to be religious and it is also protected.

  • Fri Oct 30, 2009 11:00 am Agree: 2   Disagree: 2

    'Also, factcheck.org and other fact checkign sites have debunked the idea that speech will be affected. KKK members aren't aressted for their speech - only if they directly and willfully cause violence. "

    If you think speech won't be affected, you are blind, speech will be effected just like it was in Pennsylvania, which is why their hate crimes was ruled unconsitituional, which this one will most likely be...

  • Fri Oct 30, 2009 10:58 am Agree: 1   Disagree: 3

    "Any law can be abused. But what is ironic is no one put up a fuss about the hate crimes bill until sexual orientation was put on it. While I understand it is often put in the context of homosexuality because the increase in violent crimes against them has risen 6% over the last year, but orientation means any orientation. ":

    There was no need to argue against something that made sense. Protecting People because they choose to be homosexual isn't the problem, it is when we are out giving out tracks that proclaim homosexuality as a sin, and being arrested for it. That is why people are now standing up against it.

  • Fri Oct 30, 2009 10:01 am Agree: 2   Disagree: 0

    Any law can be abused. But what is ironic is no one put up a fuss about the hate crimes bill until sexual orientation was put on it. While I understand it is often put in the context of homosexuality because the increase in violent crimes against them has risen 6% over the last year, but orientation means any orientation.

    Also, factcheck.org and other fact checkign sites have debunked the idea that speech will be affected. KKK members aren't aressted for their speech - only if they directly and willfully cause violence.

    But keeping an eye on any new law is a prudent thing to do. Abuses can happen anywhere and at anytime. We must all love and protect our neighbors... but we also need to love and protect ourselves as well.

  • Fri Oct 30, 2009 9:24 am Agree: 2   Disagree: 8

    Flagged as inappropriate. show The homosexual community WILL exploit and abuse this law. They have aligned themselves with anything that is against God and Jesus Christ including the pornography industry and the abortion industry. Those who truely follow the heart of Jesus Christ are about life and love and forgiveness and peace and restoration. Homosexuality is dangerous to a person's well-being just as pornography, drug addiction and marital infidelity. Christians just want people to realize that Jesus Christ cares about their lives and offers them a better way. Christ and His followers are NOT the ones doing the hating! hide

  • Fri Oct 30, 2009 8:35 am Agree: 1   Disagree: 3

    "It is very sad that when God's chosen people-the shat upon, the suffering, get protection, so called christians start making up lies.."

    Who is making up lies, we have presented the facts and you cant handle them. I suggest you honestly look inside yourself, if you are one of Jesus' own you wouldn't tollerate lies. I suggest you honestly look into the case and you will know what the truth is, if you can handle it...

  • Fri Oct 30, 2009 8:32 am Agree: 1   Disagree: 2

    "How does a hate crime bill that protects straight and gay people from violence (not handing out paper) promoting bigotry) because they are straight or gay lead to arrests for speaking?"

    Why don't you ask the homosexual liason to the philadelphia police that question...

  • Fri Oct 30, 2009 8:31 am Agree: 0   Disagree: 2

    "Slacker-you spreading them lies?
    God is watcing..
    As I proved with my link earlier, the Philadeplhia 11 were arrested because they were blocking the street-a safety danger
    The charges were dismissed so there is no harm done.."

    I presented the facts in the other post, but you didn't reply to them then yet you still insist on calling me names. I suggest you crawl back under the bridge you came from before someone sprays some troll repellant on you...

  • Thu Oct 29, 2009 10:09 pm Agree: 2   Disagree: 0

    "Come to find out between 10 and 11 percent of the attorneys in the Civil Rights Division in Philadelphia are homosexual."

    Gaydar too good to be true?

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gaydar

  • Thu Oct 29, 2009 8:35 pm Agree: 1   Disagree: 4

    chicago24 »Thu Oct 29, 2009 9:58 am
    "Although these Christian conservative groups complain about this hate crimes bill, the sad thing is, they will probably be DISAPPONTED if no ministers are arrested in relation to this bill."

    Actually, I consider myself a Christian and conservative. I would be delighted if pastors are left alone. However, with how Christian business people have been treated by gays up to this point I really don't see them not being targeted.


    Got a question...is Home Depot firing a guy for wearing a "One Nation Under God" pin a hate crime?

  • Thu Oct 29, 2009 7:52 pm Agree: 4   Disagree: 2

    tpique-you need to be in a straight jacket

  • Thu Oct 29, 2009 7:51 pm Agree: 3   Disagree: 1

    Slacker-you spreading them lies?
    God is watcing..
    As I proved with my link earlier, the Philadeplhia 11 were arrested because they were blocking the street-a safety danger
    The charges were dismissed so there is no harm done..

    At any protest, if there is a safety risk, people are arrested
    BUT, as I said, they were freed with no charges...
    How does a hate crime bill that protects straight and gay people from violence (not handing out paper) promoting bigotry) because they are straight or gay lead to arrests for speaking?
    It doesn't...stop the fear mongering..no one believes it anymore
    Lastly-when hate crime laws went into effect several years ago to protect religion, no one was fearful that the atheists would be arrested for denouncing religion, were they?
    It is very sad that when God's chosen people-the shat upon, the suffering, get protection, so called christians start making up lies...

  • Thu Oct 29, 2009 7:28 pm Agree: 4   Disagree: 0

    >Wow, the silence from Cindy is deafening.

    I guess you're highly excited by small perceptions of victory.

    Just at work, sweetie and haven't been back to a computer on a busy day.

    I hadn't heard of that particular case, so thanks for providing it. I see the 11 won in court. Nice affirmation of the commitment to free speech.

  • Thu Oct 29, 2009 6:50 pm Agree: 3   Disagree: 1

    tpique1
    Do you have any proof of your allegations? Just because its on the web doesn't mean it is accurate (as Rush Limbaugh found out this week). And this has nothing to do with the Federal law.

  • Thu Oct 29, 2009 4:23 pm Agree: 3   Disagree: 3

    Hey DelightntheLord,

    Here's the video of the violent perpetrator in your post.

    BEWARE, she's hostile and violent and is probably on drugs:
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=h0MV3Ls1-BM&feature=player_embedded

  • Thu Oct 29, 2009 4:11 pm Agree: 3   Disagree: 8

    Go back and read about the cities of Sodom and Gomorrah. (Sodom, where we get the word "sodomy"). Read how perverse and "in your face" the culture had become. It was racked with violent acts of sex and perversion. To the point that the men of Sodom were bent on raping two holy angels of the Lord sent to rescue Lot and his family!

    When God gives men over to a vile mind, they turn base in their nature. When the fallen angels of God fell with satan, they became base and vile...they became demons. God gave them over.

    Those in hell today are there because God gave them over to their sin for all eternity. Hell is a place where the passions and lusts of mankind are never satisfied.

    When God gives you over...slowly society begins to self-destruct. Without an absolute moral point of reference from which to guide it, society becomes like a lost ship on the ocean never able to find a port.

    History tells us that the Roman Empire collapsed in part (I think absolutely) because immorality wasted the culture.

  • Thu Oct 29, 2009 4:01 pm Agree: 6   Disagree: 5

    Christians are monitoring the Hate Crimes law so that it may be taken to courts and overturned as unconstituitional....because it is.
    Redundant laws do not make for a better society.

    This from England...and as England goes, so goes the USA.
    Keep in mind that Great Brittian does not have a Constitution:

    "British Granny Accused Of Hate Crime For Dissing Gay Pride - October 26, 2009
    After witnessing a gay pride march, committed Christian Pauline Howe wrote to the council to complain that the event had been allowed to go ahead. But instead of a simple acknowledgement, she received a letter warning her she might be guilty of a hate crime and that the matter had been passed to police. Two officers later turned up at the frightened grandmother's home and lectured her about her choice of words before telling her she would not be prosecuted."
    Daily Mail

    (haha, Minn, pride goes before the fall, funny, huh?)

  • Thu Oct 29, 2009 3:52 pm Agree: 3   Disagree: 2

    Here is the actual video of the event filmed by the Philly 11.

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=K1m90cBzIN8

    Come to find out between 10 and 11 percent of the attorneys in the Civil Rights Division in Philadelphia are homosexual. Thus they were part of a driving force behind the incarceration of the Philly 11.

    Some of the lawyers in [the Civil Rights Division] participated in the gay-rights march," a source told WND, referring to the OutFest event. "They participate in those kinds of marches."

    He said he believes the protesters were charged with ethnic intimidation "at the recommendation of some of our attorneys who were at the march."

    Continued the Justice employee: "They advised the police as witnesses, not as legal counsel, but as witnesses who may have observed what happened."

    Why as witnesses and not legal counsel? Because they knew if they advised them as legal counsel their "you-know-whats" would be in a sling. They knew they were breaking the law, but that didn't matter. By the time it was all sorted out the event would've been over.

    This is the type of pro-gay/anti Christian behavior that is on the horizon for this country. This Federal Hate Crimes law is a wolf in sheep's clothing. Everything is about to change.

  • Thu Oct 29, 2009 3:43 pm Agree: 3   Disagree: 1

    Flagged as inappropriate. show "Conservatives Vow to Keep Close Watch on Hate Crimes Law" hahaha, that's funny like we care lol. They can watch it all they want, just don't break the law while you're "watchin' it". hide

  • Thu Oct 29, 2009 2:11 pm Agree: 3   Disagree: 4

    I guess freedom is only for those that support the Homosexual Agenda....

  • Thu Oct 29, 2009 2:10 pm Agree: 4   Disagree: 2

    "From what I read on the Philadelphia story:
    (1) The anti-gay group was protesting at a gay event
    (2) The police arrested and charged some of the group with several crimes
    (3) The crimes were later dismissed
    Sounds a lot like how the Bush administration handled protests against the administration by keeping all protestors away.
    This has nothing to do with the Federal law just passed and will be decided in the courts."

    Well given that you only provided half of the story, here is the whole story, they were protesting a Gay Pride Parade and the liason between the philadelphia police and the homosexual agenda in the city, decided to have the people arrested for "intimidation", when the DA got the case they found out there was no crime committed and had the charges dropped. The philadelphia 11 sued the state and the hate crimes legislation in pennsylvania, which by the way, this legislation was modeled after, was ruled unconstitutional...

  • Thu Oct 29, 2009 2:07 pm Agree: 3   Disagree: 3

    ">What about the people in Pennsylvania that were arrested because they chose to speak out against homosexuality???

    What people? Do you have a link for us?"

    Google Philadelphia 11, there is a ton of information about how they were arrested for passing out pamplets at a Gay Pride Parade and which led to the Hate Crimes legislation being ruled unconstitutional...

  • Thu Oct 29, 2009 1:50 pm Agree: 6   Disagree: 5

    Rhi Bran »Thu Oct 29, 2009 11:52 am
    "Sounds a lot like how the Bush administration handled protests against the administration by keeping all protestors away. "


    Umm...no. The Secret Service always keeeps protestors away as a matter of security. The case was the same for Clinton and it is the same for Obama.

  • Thu Oct 29, 2009 1:35 pm Agree: 3   Disagree: 2

    Wow, the silence from Cindy is deafening.

  • Thu Oct 29, 2009 11:52 am Agree: 9   Disagree: 7

    From what I read on the Philadelphia story:
    (1) The anti-gay group was protesting at a gay event
    (2) The police arrested and charged some of the group with several crimes
    (3) The crimes were later dismissed
    Sounds a lot like how the Bush administration handled protests against the administration by keeping all protestors away.
    This has nothing to do with the Federal law just passed and will be decided in the courts.

  • Thu Oct 29, 2009 11:23 am Agree: 5   Disagree: 7

    'Philadelphia 11' told 'gays' limited speech
    http://www.wnd.com/index.php?fa=PAGE.printable&pageId=40157

  • Thu Oct 29, 2009 11:15 am Agree: 3   Disagree: 4

    >What about the people in Pennsylvania that were arrested because they chose to speak out against homosexuality???

    What people? Do you have a link for us?

  • Thu Oct 29, 2009 10:55 am Agree: 7   Disagree: 10

    "Although these Christian conservative groups complain about this hate crimes bill, the sad thing is, they will probably be DISAPPONTED if no ministers are arrested in relation to this bill.

    They probably only see this as yet another chance to play the martyr."

    What about the people in Pennsylvania that were arrested because they chose to speak out against homosexuality??? I guess those people were not disappointed huh???

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