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Episcopal Leaders Investigate Conflict After Diocesan Split

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Mon, Mar. 10 2008 02:27 PM ET
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A conservative Episcopalian who has been asked to help reconcile the Diocese of San Joaquin says the conflict that has split the diocese is more complex than a conservative versus liberal one.

"It is a conflict about those who want to stay in The Episcopal Church and those who feel they can no longer do that," said the Rev. Canon Brian Cox to VirtueOnline, an online news site that describes itself as the voice for global orthodox Anglicanism.

"There has been a long history of an autocratic governing style that has pitted people against each other and left a legacy of broken relationships throughout the diocese. The estrangement between theological conservatives and the Remain Episcopal Movement is a potent example of the fruits of such an environment."

Cox was asked by the Episcopal head, Presiding Bishop Katharine Jefferts Schori, to step in as a "pastoral presence" in the Diocese of San Joaquin and to offer his reconciling services to the diocese, according to VirtueOnline.

The Diocese overwhelmingly voted in December to sever ties with The Episcopal Church – the U.S. branch of the global Anglican Communion – and realign with the Anglican Province of the Southern Cone. It was the first time a full diocese in the church's history voted to separate.

The break came after years of conflict over what the diocese and other conservatives have contended is The Episcopal Church's departure from Scripture and traditional Anglicanism. The Episcopal Church had heightened controversy when it consecrated openly gay bishop V. Gene Robinson of New Hampshire in 2003.

In January, San Joaquin Bishop John-David Schofield was inhibited, banned from practicing all ministerial duties in The Episcopal Church. And on March 1, Schofield sent a letter of resignation as a member of the Episcopal House of Bishops. He says he is now a bishop in the House of Bishops of the Southern Cone and still the bishop of the Diocese of San Joaquin.

In the letter addressed to Schori and the Episcopal House of Bishops, Schofield said his diocese was left with no choice but to separate from the U.S. body – a move he called "the Biblical answer to unrepentant and public false teaching and immorality."

"This drastic action was necessary because The Episcopal Church failed to heed years of warnings from all quarters of Christendom to turn back from false teaching and to accept Holy Scripture as the supreme authority for life," Schofield wrote.

Cox is investigating the conflict in the diocese to determine all the complex factors, according to VirtueOnline.

"We have spent a lot of time in the diocese listening to people there. Our hope is to contribute to a dynamic of healing and reconciliation among people: those who have decided to stay, those who are in the discernment process, and perhaps even those who have chosen to leave," he said.

And reconciliation isn't about changing people's theological convictions.

"Reconciliation is about changed hearts and relationships," said Cox.

Those who chose to remain in the Episcopal Diocese of San Joaquin are scheduled elect a provisional bishop and new diocesan leaders on March 29.

According to Cox, one third of the diocese has committed to remain and another third is still in the discernment process.

But Canon to the Ordinary Bill Gandenberger disputed those numbers.

"It would be a real sleight of hand for a Convention to have such a huge vote in favor of such a realignment (173-22) and then to hear that Canon Cox believes that 'At the end of the day, probably no more than a third of the congregations will follow Bishop Schofield to the Southern Cone,'" Gandenberger told VirtueOnline.

Gandenberger says Schofield and the breakaway diocese is focusing on the future now, "moving on to mission for the growth of the kingdom."

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Chris333
  • Mon Mar 17, 2008 8:41 am
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St. John's,

You have abandonded fair debate. I have nothing more to say, please read my post below to hear how I would respond to you. If you want to actually say something of value then I will respond, but you have not engaged any point I raised. You lobbed an unfounded attack against me.
StJohn\'s
  • Mon Mar 17, 2008 7:22 am
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Chris333, as I said, in the case of the abolition of slavery, the Scriptures and Tradition are absolutely firm, despite your protestations, and you are the one who has engaged an 'extremely abstract argument' to overturn the 'plain sense of Scripture.' I guess you just see in Scripture what you want to see, which of course, is the very argument used against those supporting women's ordination or the acceptance of homosexuality.
Chris333
  • Mon Mar 17, 2008 12:00 am
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St. John's,

Once again you are side tracking, but to no avail. Let me make the case against slavery using the Bible, and then let me exlpain to you why either way this argument is superfluous to our argument.

Sure the OT has some "endorsments" of slavery, however, Jesus clearly said (regarding divorce) that Moses gave certain laws because their hearts were hard. And He said that in the Beginning it was not so. Moving on to the NT, the Epistles make it blatantly clear that God sees slave and master as equal, and that if a slave is able to secure freedom then they should do so. Paul was not interested in overturning the society, he was interested in telling people how they should act within the society. For that matter, we very much do have slaves today, we have enslaved half the world by importing cheap products paying people 2 cents a day. Slavery is still very much alive and thriving, and you and I are very much slave owners. Now you could either follow Pauls advice and treat those under you with kindness and make sure that they are taken care of, or you can deny the obvious.

This being said, this entire argument is of no consequence. My point is that we have three methods of determing truth, (revealed) Scripture, (revealed) tradition, or (ambiguous) reason. Of these three, Scripture and Tradition would be the most fruitful if we want to get anywhere. If we can agree generally about what is Scripture, then this should be sufficient, if not, then we have to decide which tradition is true. In any case, homosexuality and women ordination goes against Scripture and Tradition, so you are left with the third, reason to decide. But whose reason? And in what conext? Are you appealing to secularism? And why on earth should we accept what the Anglican Church says?
StJohn\'s
  • Sun Mar 16, 2008 12:46 pm
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Chris333, you are very selectively reading your Scriptures if you think the Bible does not openly support the institution of slavery, for instance: “As for your male and female slaves whom you may have: you may buy male and female slaves from among the nations that are round about you. You may also buy from among the strangers who sojourn with you and they may be your property. You may bequeath them to your sons after you, to inherit as a possession for ever.” Lev. 25:44-46, or “Slaves, be obedient to those who are your earthly masters, with fear and trembling, in singleness of heart,” (Eph. 6.5) or “Let all who are under the yoke of slavery regard their masters as worthy of all honor, so that the name of God and the teaching may not be defamed. Those who have believing masters must not be disrespectful on the ground that they are brethren; rather they must serve all the better since those who benefit by their service are believers and beloved. Teach and urge these duties. If any one teaches otherwise and does not agree with the sound words of our Lord Jesus Christ and the teaching which accords with godliness (that person) is conceited and understands nothing” (I Timothy 6.1-3). Slaves are even acknowledged in the Ten Commandments. In this case the Scriptures and Tradition are absolutely firm, despite your protestations, and you are the one who has engaged an 'extremely abstract argument' to overturn the 'plain sense of Scripture.'
Chris333
  • Sun Mar 16, 2008 7:00 am
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Also,

I still find the case for the Anglican Church fairly weak, and by proxy the Episcopalian Church as well.
Chris333
  • Sun Mar 16, 2008 6:57 am
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St. John's,

Haha, not so fast, I said absolutely no such thing as the issue being left to personal interpretation. The Bible is not pro-slavery, at best it allows it. There is no command anywhere in the Bible that says, "Certain people will be slaves, based upon nationality, religion, or gender" No words even close. And while there are verses talking about how a slave and a master are to act (note that God sees all as equal, both slave and master), there is nothing coming close to approval. Indeed, in the beginning God did not create slaves for Adam and Eve, rather slaves came later, just like kings and earthly authorities, and just like polygamy, but in the Beginning, God never created such an order. Note that God did not also create Adam and Bob, He made Adam and Eve and this is the perfect design. Homosexuality on the other hand is called an abomination in numerous places and is consistently referred to as a sin. Paul tells slaves that if they are able to secure freedom then they should, things were a great deal different then and Paul was acknowledging this reality.

Homosexuality takes only extremely abstract arguments from Scripture that really do not hold. There is no Scripture that supports it, Tradition within the Church has always been against it, and reason is a meaningless word if it is not qualified. Indeed, you must go against Scripture and Tradition, in a most unreasonable fashion to hold this position.

The same goes for women's ordination. You must overturn tradition which has always held that women were not to teach men in Church, and against the very words of the Bible. The case is weak for either case.

That being said, I suppose you could create a brand new church and then say, "After my reasoning, and MY tradition, and based on MY interpretation (I prefer twisting) of Scriptures, I have decided to make a Church that accepts homosexuality as not sinful and women priests." After you say this however, what is to stop the next guy from saying the same thing but substituting pornography, pedophilia, incest, or virtually anything else? In short, you have completely destroyed all standards and left "ME" as the only god and measure of all things.
StJohn\'s
  • Sun Mar 16, 2008 5:23 am
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Chris333, yes I absolutely agree with you that there is room for interpretational differences whether you are relying upon Scripture, Tradition, or Reason, though conservatives sometimes pretend that it isn't so with the Bible. Thus claiming that 'you have made your case' that the Bible is against slavery because the numerous Scriptural passages supporting the institution are overridden by the Spirit of Gospel which respects the equality and dignity of all human beings is the same argument used by those who support the ordination of women, and now those who support the consecration of Gene Robinson. I give up. I agree with you.
Chris333
  • Sun Mar 16, 2008 2:38 am
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St. Johns,

I have made the case that the Bible is strongly against such abuse of any position. The New Testament takes an entirely different tone and it is ridiculous for you to try to take the Parables of Jesus and then assume a Biblical mandate, you have taken it entirely out of context. For that matter, which do you prefer Tradition or Reason? If it is Reason then whose reason? Is it reason based upon the Bible or based upon tradition, or based upon atheists? Depending on the world view you subscribe to you can come up with drastically different results using reason. Tradition might be safer, but you have to decide whose tradition. Or you could do like nearly every abolitionist did and use the Bible to support your arguments and the equality and dignity of all human beings. You pick your path.

You also have not satisfactorily answered my questions about the Anglican Church
StJohn\'s
  • Sat Mar 15, 2008 6:24 am
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The Anglican Communion asserts the authority of Scripture, Tradition, and Reason, not of ourselves alone. I am glad to see you moving away from the silly doctrine Sola Scriptura. Now let's consider another historical example that shows the Church overriding Scripture and Tradition by the employment of Reason: the abolition of the institution of slavery. The Biblical case is overwhelmingly in favor of slavery. It is mentioned in every book of the Bible, never a word against it. Exodus 24 allows one to beat one's slave to death, provided they survive a day or two first. Jesus tells a Parable where the slaves are beaten without comment. The Tradition of the Church supporting slavery is also firmly established. So by what authority did those Christian Abolitionists change the thinking and theology of the Church?
Chris333
  • Sat Mar 15, 2008 1:10 am
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Though I have heard different, let us accept your train of thought, and let us even go so far as to say that Scripture must be accompanied by some tradition (this is actually closer to my position anyways), what should make us think that the Anglican Church has any authority? Simply tracing ones roots to the Apostles means almost nothing, there must be a Church Consensus, which the Anglican Church only has consensus with itself, I suppose we could call it monosensus. In anycase, it seems the RCC or Orthodox position would be much more sustainable if one wanted to expound tradition as necessary.
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