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Social Gospel is 'Marxism in Christian Clothing,' Says Warren

By Jennifer Riley|Christian Post Reporter

Best-selling author, social activist and megachurch pastor Rick Warren described the social gospel supported by many of the mainline churches as “Marxism in Christian clothing.”

“[W]e don’t need to care about redemption, the cross, repentance. All we need to do is redeem the social structures of society and if we make those social structures better the world will become a better place,” explained Warren as he described the beliefs behind those who support the "social gospel," in his interview with Beliefnet.com, which was posted Monday.

“Really in many ways it was just Marxism in Christian clothing,” he criticized. “[I]t was in vogue at that time that if we redeem society then man will automatically get better. It didn’t deal with the heart.”

Warren, recognized as one of the most socially active Christians in the world, did not hold back his criticism of those who call themselves Christians but seek to make the world a better place by focusing on the body – issues of poverty, disease, social justice and racial justice – and not the soul.

But he also disagreed with their counterpart – Christians who disregard the body altogether while caring only for the soul and personal morality.

“Who’s right? Well in my opinion they’re both right,” Warren concluded. “Part of my desire as a leader is to bring these two wings back together. I think we need them both.

“I think it’s very clear that Jesus cared about both the body and the soul. He cared about both personal and social issues and I think they’re both important but there’s been this split.”

Historically, evangelicals were leaders when it came to changing society, Warren pointed out. Evangelicals were at the forefront of the abolition of slavery, with pastors leading that movement. It was also evangelicals who were on the frontlines of calling for the right of women to vote and protesting child labor laws.

“That’s my whole job is I’ve gotta reawaken what I call the 19th Century evangelicalism,” Warren said, noting that Protestantism split in the 20th Century with mainline Protestants on the side of the social gospel and evangelicals and fundamentalists who emphasized morality and salvation.

The evangelical pastor noted that the mainline groups have “died,” pointing out that mainline denominations have been in decline for 40 years while charismatic and evangelicals have continued growing.

“There are more Muslims in America than there are Episcopalians,” Warren highlighted. “There’s less than 2 million of them (Episcopalians).”

In addition to the social gospel, Warren's interview with Beliefnet also covered negative views of Christianity, human problems and God’s plan, gay marriage and divorce, and the Bush administration’s policy on torture.

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  • Fri Dec 26, 2008 4:47 pm Agree: 0   Disagree: 0

    "Pastor Warren has been clever enough to single out gays and pro-choice adults"

    I was unaware that accepting the Bible as written is all it takes to be clever. Hey, Prophet and believer...did you hear that...we're clever!!!

  • Wed Dec 24, 2008 1:05 am Agree: 2   Disagree: 1

    Rick Warren is a master of at least two things: pandering to rich hillbillies and marketing Rick Warren. Those alone qualify him to be white America's next great spiritual leader. He understands that the whole point of being an evangelical is to single out people who can be identified as different from us, to reinforce that essential "us vs. them" Christian mentality.

    Pastor Warren has been clever enough to single out gays and pro-choice adults, so there will be plenty of people for his followers to look down on while they write their checks. You just have to admire the guy for figuring out a whole new profit angle in the God business.

  • Sat Dec 20, 2008 12:12 pm Agree: 0   Disagree: 0

    "www.myspace.com/surrender777"

    At the beginning of one of Billy Spragues records is a fellow saying "Hey Billy! A bit louder than your last record!!!" ROCK 'N ROLL BABY!!!

  • Sat Dec 20, 2008 5:45 am Agree: 2   Disagree: 1

    Check out the truth as sung and perfomed by the new ALL Christian father and son rock band,'Surrender",at www.myspace.com/surrender777 They tell the absolute truth of God's word and leave the absolute mindless affairs of this world to people like Rick Warren.Surrender cares for the soul.Jesus Christ gave two commands;1.preach repentance 2.preach remission of sin.He did not command His apostles to give History lessons,or to worry about how much,when,and where they would eat or be clothed.What does it profit a man if he gains this whole world yet loses his soul.NOTHING!Debate over nothing,serve the risen savior,and charity events for people who can't live apart from the public eye to stroke their own ego's,like Bono and Rick Warren.You don't have to be seen by man to be heard by God.Pray in all things,and God's glory will be shown.Check out SURRENDER;you won't regret it. May the truth set you free to be all you can be through Christ Jesus,Amen

  • Fri Dec 19, 2008 7:25 pm Agree: 1   Disagree: 1

    chicago24;
    Actually, Marxism is at the opposite end of the philosophical spectrum from Christianity. Warren is correct.
    The Marxist issue of the Socialist Gospel is about insisting government do the job of the church and individual Christians. To expect government to take care of the social issues is not Biblical and only leads to coveting and stealing. This is the problem with Jim Wallis, the NCC, Ron Sider and Tony Campolo, etc.
    Marvin Olasky, a former radical Marxist turned Christian and editor of World magazine makes some interesting comments about Marxism and the wrongheadedness of the socialist gospel.
    http://townhall.com/Columnists/MarvinOlasky/2007/11/08/lenins_revolution_vs_luthers_reformation?page=full&comments=true

  • Fri Dec 19, 2008 11:53 am Agree: 2   Disagree: 1

    "How can he unite the body and Spirit when the bible says they are at war with each other."

    The Bible also speaks about testing the spirits. The problem is there are many in the church who are not part of the body. Just like a virus we are at war with those who seek to impose their beleifs on the Bible. The Gospel is about repentance, dying to self and living the life Christ has for you free from the deeds of the law. Living free from the deeds of the flesh as discribed in the law is the life Christ has for you.

    The deeds of the flesh include coveting (which includes quite a bit like thinking you deserve more than you have or the Bible allows). Not all who say "Lord, Lord" shall enter into the kingdom of heaven.

  • Thu Dec 18, 2008 8:54 pm Agree: 1   Disagree: 0

    jrmants87
    You seem to be unfairly prejudiced against fundamentalists as myself. The Marxist issue of the Socialist Gospel is about insisting government do the job of the church and Christians. To expect government to take care of the social issues is not Biblical and only leads to coveting and stealing. You may want to take an honest look at fundamentalist organizations and discover how they are applying the Biblical mandate to help the poor and needy. You wont find this information in the mainstream media, however.
    Marvin Olasky, a former radical Marxist turned Christian and editor of World magazine makes some interesting comments about communism and the wrongheadedness of the socialist gospel.
    http://townhall.com/Columnists/MarvinOlasky/2007/11/08/lenins_revolution_vs_luthers_reformation?page=full&comments=true

  • Thu Dec 18, 2008 7:45 am Agree: 2   Disagree: 1

    How can he unite the body and Spirit when the bible says they are at war with each other. He must have skipped over Romans Chapter 8.

  • Wed Dec 17, 2008 6:40 pm Agree: 0   Disagree: 0

    lmartuneac -- you must be new!!! Let me guess...you are using a word processing program. Some of the ASCII is in short code like "..." and the " and ' so when you copy and past it get's translated into things like the 'click submit button' command!

    You have to change all the symbols that may be in short code once you post.

    Later,
    Dan

  • Wed Dec 17, 2008 5:59 pm Agree: 0   Disagree: 0

    lmartuneac,

    Try omitting punctuation marks when you post . . .

  • Wed Dec 17, 2008 5:49 pm Agree: 0   Disagree: 1

    Well, my comments won't post properly.

    See-
    http://indefenseofthegospel.blogspot.com/2008/11/salve-for-itching-ears-rick-warren.html

  • Wed Dec 17, 2008 5:45 pm Agree: 0   Disagree: 0

    While I can appreciate Warren’s concern over the “social gospel,” his calls for unity with that movement is irresponsible and unscriptural.

    The Bible says, “Holding fast the faithful word as he hath been taught, that he may be able by sound doctrine both to exhort and to convince the gainsayers,” (Titus 1:9).

    When you encounter the philosophy of and/or apologists for the Church Growth, Seeker and Emerging Church movements such as Willow Creek & Saddleback, remember that these are ministries lead by men who have compromised and run roughshod over the Scriptural mandates that forbid cooperation and fellowship with unbelievers, apostates and disobedient Christians to build and keep their following. Don’t listen to the voices or printed words of compromise and betrayal.

    These following points reveal what Rick Warren, Saddleback and organizations of that ilk really stand for.


    The roots of Saddleback sink deeply into the ministry philosophy of ultra liberal Robert Schuller: “During his last year in seminary, he (Rick Warren) and Kay (his wife) drove west to visit Robert Schuller’s Institute for Church Growth. ‘We had a very stony ride out to the conference,’ she says, because such nontraditional ministry scared her to death. Schuller, though, won them over. ‘He had a profound influence on Rick,’ Kay says. ‘We were captivated by his positive appeal to nonbelievers. I never looked back.’ ” (Christianity Today, Nov 18, 2002). Warren spoke for Schuller in subsequent conferences.

    1. Warren embraces deliberate pragmatism of the worst kind. He believes that anyone one can be reached based on “finding the key to that person’s heart.” Therefore, the unbelieving community sets the agenda for his church: Warren says, “We let the unchurched needs determine our programs; the unchurched hangups determine our strategy; the unchurched culture determine our style; the unchurched population determine our goals.” (Purpose Driven website)

    2. Warren routinely misuses Scripture. The Bible is a tool that Warren manipulates to cover his own ideas with a veneer of divine authority. For example, in the Purpose Driven Life he quotes from 15 Bible versions and paraphrases, picking and choosing the one that fits his pragmatic need. This process often wrenches texts out of context.

    Part 2 below with #3 of 8.

  • Wed Dec 17, 2008 5:43 pm Agree: 0   Disagree: 2

    3. Warren is guilty of serious theological reductionism. He discounts the value of a well-rounded system of doctrine and even considers doctrine an obstacle to unity. On his Purpose Driven website he lists his doctrinal statement that any Bible college graduate would find completely inadequate:

    His doctrine of theology proper is the following: “God is bigger and better and closer than we can imagine.” That's it for the doctrine of God. It is so insufficient one could say that it falls short of an adequate understanding of the Christian concept of God the Father.

    4. Warren promotes extreme ecumenism. He has forged ties with the Roman Catholic Church, the Baptist World Alliance and the United Nations.
    In April, 2005, the PD organization officially forged ties with the Roman Catholic Church by providing a training conference at Holy Family Catholic Church in Inverness, Illinois. “We are excited by this because we are seeing God unify his churches” -- Pastor Brett Schrock, Purpose Driven’s Director of Strategic Relationships.

    5. Warren justifies cultural capitulation by embracing anti-God cultural norms. A notable example of this occurred when Warren sang the Jimi Hendrix song, “Purple Haze,” during the 25th anniversary celebration service of Saddleback Church.

    6. Warren redefines ministry in terms of social activism. Alan Wolfe of the Wall Street Journal says, “Historians are likely to pinpoint Mr. Warren’s trip to Rwanda as the moment when conservative evangelical Protestantism made questions of social justice central to its concerns.” Warren’s Global Peace Plan for “Purpose Driven Nations” includes involving himself with the UN, Council on Foreign Relations, etc. in order to rid the world of “poverty, disease, and illiteracy” by forming entangling alliances between churches, secular businesses, and governments. This is an agenda completely foreign to the Great Commission and the NT church as laid out in Acts and the Pauline Epistles.

    7. Warren accepts easy-believism approach to evangelism. “Wherever you are reading this, I invite you to bow your head and quietly whisper the prayer that will change your eternity: ‘Jesus, I believe in you and receive you.’ If you sincerely meant that prayer, congratulations! Welcome to the family of God!” (PDL, p. 74).

    8. Warren relies heavily on pop psychology. Popular themes in secular psychology appear regularly in Warren’s writings, shaping everything from outreach strategy to discipleship curricula.


    LM

  • Wed Dec 17, 2008 5:42 pm Agree: 0   Disagree: 0

    While I can appreciate Warren’s concern over the “social gospel,” his calls for unity with that movement is irresponsible and unscriptural.

    The Bible says, “Holding fast the faithful word as he hath been taught, that he may be able by sound doctrine both to exhort and to convince the gainsayers,” (Titus 1:9).

    When you encounter the philosophy of and/or apologists for the Church Growth, Seeker and Emerging Church movements such as Willow Creek & Saddleback, remember that these are ministries lead by men who have compromised and run roughshod over the Scriptural mandates that forbid cooperation and fellowship with unbelievers, apostates and disobedient Christians to build and keep their following. Don’t listen to the voices or printed words of compromise and betrayal.

    These following points reveal what Rick Warren, Saddleback and organizations of that ilk really stand for.


    The roots of Saddleback sink deeply into the ministry philosophy of ultra liberal Robert Schuller: “During his last year in seminary, he (Rick Warren) and Kay (his wife) drove west to visit Robert Schuller’s Institute for Church Growth. ‘We had a very stony ride out to the conference,’ she says, because such nontraditional ministry scared her to death. Schuller, though, won them over. ‘He had a profound influence on Rick,’ Kay says. ‘We were captivated by his positive appeal to nonbelievers. I never looked back.’ ” (Christianity Today, Nov 18, 2002). Warren spoke for Schuller in subsequent conferences.

    1. Warren embraces deliberate pragmatism of the worst kind. He believes that anyone one can be reached based on “finding the key to that person’s heart.” Therefore, the unbelieving community sets the agenda for his church: Warren says, “We let the unchurched needs determine our programs; the unchurched hangups determine our strategy; the unchurched culture determine our style; the unchurched population determine our goals.” (Purpose Driven website)

    2. Warren routinely misuses Scripture. The Bible is a tool that Warren manipulates to cover his own ideas with a veneer of divine authority. For example, in the Purpose Driven Life he quotes from 15 Bible versions and paraphrases, picking and choosing the one that fits his pragmatic need. This process often wrenches texts out of context... continued in next

  • Wed Dec 17, 2008 5:25 pm Agree: 0   Disagree: 0

    jrmants87

    AMEN. Thank you, I was waiting for that.

  • Wed Dec 17, 2008 3:17 pm Agree: 0   Disagree: 0

    "I seriously doubt that Warren has even read one word of Marxist philosophy."

    Actually, my guess would be that he has read a bit since most who study for the ministry study various concepts of human thought and how to answer them. It's something that most Bible colleges and seminaries do.

  • Wed Dec 17, 2008 3:16 pm Agree: 0   Disagree: 0

    "no self control,"

    Ye without sin cast the first stone....

    I do quite a bit of correcting with folks like that just like we're trying to do with the gay community here at this site.

  • Wed Dec 17, 2008 2:30 pm Agree: 1   Disagree: 0

    chicago, that's exactly what he is saying, the social gospel without any evangelistic emphasis is a form of marxist socialism. The bottomline for Christians should always be the fulfillment of God's Great Commission and there are many ways to do that to include social ministry, but what never can be missing is at some point in the process intentionally presenting God's plan of salvation. For instance in the area of substance abuse what good does it do to help a person to get clean and sober and not be concerned about their eternal destiny, yes it would benefit both them and their spouses as well as their families and friends for them to go get clean and sober, but if they die without the opportunity to enter into a personal with God through Christ we as Christians have done those people a terrible disservice by holdin back from them the opportunity to make the most important decision of there life. And for those who say we Christians have an ulterior motive when we help people, I say with a loud voice AMEN!, but in reality that is not our ulterior motive that is God's and our primary motive, to bring people to the saving knowledge of Jesus Christ and we dare not shirk our responsibility nor apologize for it.

  • mike »
    Wed Dec 17, 2008 1:54 pm Agree: 2   Disagree: 2

    Well what about those 'wolves in sheep's clothing'? they profess to be christians but their behavior does not conform to the fruits of the spirit. they think they are filled with the hs but they continue to be arrogant, self righteous, no self control, impatient, quick to accuse, blame & point to sin. I would rather be with a person who shows compassion, understanding, humility, (which are the fruits of the spirit) than a person who blows his / her big mouth to look good for jesus. that is why many are turned off with christianity. instead of welcoming hurting people to christianity, they are a stumbling block to christianity.
    this is biblical. the pharisees, experts in the law love money & power. they exalt themselves by accusing people of sin while they themselves are guilty of HYPOCRISY. I find it facinating that pastors televangelist DO NOT SEE THAT in church. they do not include that in their 'sunday services'. their messages are everybody sin excluding them. that is why their 'yeast of the pharisee' spread & become a stumbling block. finally, their defense when they are rebuked & their sins are exposed, they will use the verse 'YE NOT JUDGE ME.' what hypocrites!

  • Wed Dec 17, 2008 12:15 pm Agree: 3   Disagree: 0

    Pastortim,

    Well said; until believers allow the Spirit of God quickens their hearts, there will be no real change. On the flip side of the coin, focusing primarily on the social gospel will only lead to an external and superficial conformity.

  • Wed Dec 17, 2008 11:46 am Agree: 2   Disagree: 4

    I seriously doubt that Warren has even read one word of Marxist philosophy.
    If he did, he would see that it's more closely aligned with the gospel message of social justice than capitalism.

  • Wed Dec 17, 2008 10:40 am Agree: 0   Disagree: 0

    I kind of agree w/ PB&J. The word changes the way we think which in turn changes the things we do. Thus ministering to the soul will change ones truth which will cause them to act differently changing their surroundings thus changing their environment or social surroundings.

  • Wed Dec 17, 2008 9:57 am Agree: 2   Disagree: 0

    Pastor Warren sounds the right notes in his call for balance in regard to the Gospel of Jesus Christ. Anyone who has listened to him or read anything he has written knows that he is certainly NOT arrogant. Having known him for a number of years and having listened to him countless times, I know for certain that he does NOT preach a "social gospel." One of the reasons God has blessed his ministry is because of his consistent, unwavering call to authentic Christianity via a conversion experience.

  • Wed Dec 17, 2008 8:46 am Agree: 2   Disagree: 2

    Rick Warren is sounding the trumpet that many of us in the mainline denominations have been trying to sound for years. Indeed, Jesus was concerned both with soul and body, although the soul is the primary emphasis and must remain as such. However, it is much like taking a peanut butter and jelly sandwich and trying to claim the peanut butter is more important or the jelly is more important. Both have their place in the sandwich, just as evangelism and social gospel have their place in the church. However, one distinction needs to be made. With a PB&J, it is the peanut butter that is traditionally placed on the bread first and then the jelly is added; we've all learned through trial and error that trying to put jelly on first just doesn't work. The same is true for our mix of evangelism and social gospel; evangelism and the changing of the hearts must be our first and primary, stated and emphasized goal before we can add the "jelly/social gospel" to the mix. If we do not change the heart first, no degree of social gospel ministry will EVER effectively change the world. That's where the mainline denominations have dropped the ball: we've put social gospel ahead of evangelism, hoping that by changing worldly systems, we can change the spiritual natures because like a PB&J, if you put the jelly on first, it's just about impossible to get the peanut butter spread on the bread.For many well-meaning but short-sighted folks in the mainline denominations, they still insist on forcing the jelly to be spread first, which has meant the "peanut butter/evangelism" has simply slide off the bread and fallen on the floor.
    So, I will not be critical of someone with the stature and authority of Rick Warren trying to bring our churches back to their roots.

  • Wed Dec 17, 2008 8:43 am Agree: 2   Disagree: 0

    The world is not going to get better unless the soul is dealt with. We are born sinners, we are spiritually dead. No matter how many good works you can do, unless you have been made alive by the Holy Spirit, you are dead in tressasses and sins. Only putting your faith in what Jesus did on the cross will make your spirit alive and able to take care of the poor and all the other things to help the poor.

  • Wed Dec 17, 2008 7:46 am Agree: 1   Disagree: 3

    "Rick Warren sounds a little arrogant to me in this case. He is not the first to call for balance."

    This was my thought as well. There is a risk of "cult of personality" with Warren that leaves a bad taste, although I agree with some of what he says. Don't fall into the trap of religion and focusing on personalities.

  • artm »
    Wed Dec 17, 2008 5:52 am Agree: 2   Disagree: 3

    Mr Warren Himself preaches the Social Gospel.

  • Wed Dec 17, 2008 1:14 am Agree: 3   Disagree: 4

    Warren is missing something in his selective view of church history -- or Jennifer Riley selectively used quotes from the Beliefnet article. I have not read it yet, so I respond based only on what is in this article.

    Walter Rauschenbusch is the Baptist pastor who, in New York City, saw great pain in the streets around his church. He is the person of whom church historians speak when they talk about the "social gospel". His response to the world was based on Micah 6:8 -- to do justice, love mercy, and walk humbly with God -- and what Jesus called the sum of the law and the prophets -- to love God and people. Rauschenbusch understood this to mean that to love others is to meet all their needs -- spiritual and physical -- just as did Jesus. Rauschenbush lived his life to emulate Jesus. The movement that followed has been misinterpreted by many who, in my opinion, arrogantly purport that our souls are all that Jesus came to save.

    I am an evangelical who is a member of one of the so-called mainline denominations that many say are dying. I don't believe that. It is my experience that while our denominations may not have great numbers, our commitment to both scripture and a life-style that tries to meet the needs of the world based on faith rooted deeply in our relationship with our Lord. I am a member of a church that tries to maintain a balance of both.

    Rick Warren sounds a little arrogant to me in this case. He is not the first to call for balance. Hopefully he will not be the last. It's good to have him jump on this bandwagon. Maybe other fundamentalists will follow.

  • Tue Dec 16, 2008 11:46 pm Agree: 0   Disagree: 0

    2 Cor 11:13-15. Nice change up Warren!

  • Tue Dec 16, 2008 10:50 pm Agree: 1   Disagree: 0

    I'm starting to like Mr. Warren

  • Tue Dec 16, 2008 10:15 pm Agree: 0   Disagree: 0

    Hmmmm....

    Not so sure about the balance Pastor Warren is suggesting here.

  • Tue Dec 16, 2008 5:17 pm Agree: 3   Disagree: 3

    AMEN!

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