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Society|Tue, May. 26 2009 01:50 PM EDT

Conservative Christians Praise Calif. High Court Ruling on Prop. 8

By Lillian Kwon|Christian Post Reporter

The California Supreme Court issued a ruling Tuesday upholding Proposition 8, the state's constitutional amendment defining marriage as between a man and a woman.

The court ruled 6-1 that the amendment was not an illegal constitutional revision by the people nor unconstitutional.

According to the ruling, the justices rejected complaints by Proposition 8 challengers "that it is just too easy to amend the California constitution through the initiative process."

"[I]t is not a proper function of this court to curtail that process; we are constitutionally bound to uphold it," the ruling said.

Lauding the decision, Andrew Pugno, general counsel of ProtectMarriage.com, responded, “We are very gratified that the California Supreme Court has upheld Proposition 8. This is the culmination of years of hard work to preserve marriage in California."

Austin R. Nimocks, senior legal counsel for the Alliance Defense Fund, which helped defend Proposition 8 in court hearings, praised the court for respecting the results of fair elections and arriving "at the only correct conclusion: the people of California have a fundamental right to amend their own constitution."

Last November, 52 percent of California voters approved the ballot initiative, which overruled an earlier court decision that had legalized marriage for same-sex couples.

Although same-sex marriage is now banned in the state, the 18,000 gay and lesbian marriages that took place before the November vote have not been invalidated and will continue to be recognized under state law.

Gay rights supporters, however, still denounced the ruling and shouted "shame on you" outside the San Francisco courthouse.

They vowed to continue their fight and take the gay marriage issue back to the voters to repeal Proposition 8.

The Alliance Defense Fund warned that they may see a backlash by "radical activists" as they did when Proposition 8 was approved last year.

"The Alliance Defense Fund and our allies will not be bullied. These attacks will come, but we are prepared."

In the weeks following the November vote, churches and Christians reported acts of vandalism, bullying and some violence from gay rights activists.

According to Pastor Jim Garlow of Skyline Church in San Diego, there were instances of intimidation and bricks being thrown through church windows. Pastors also needed security guards to ensure their protection, he noted.

"I didn't know how violent the radical left was with this issue," Garlow commented earlier to The Christian Post.

Garlow, who rallied the support of thousands last year to help pass Proposition 8, is organizing another rally on Sunday "in support and thanksgiving of natural marriage."

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  • Tue Jun 02, 2009 2:33 pm Agree: 3   Disagree: 8

    As long as our nation as a whole denounces the practice and lifestyle of homosexuality, we have a chance in turning the hearts of men to God.

    The moment we embrace that lifestyle is surely the day of our destruction.

    And he said, Oh let not the LORD be angry, and I will speak yet but this once: Peradventure ten shall be found there. And he said, I will not destroy it for ten's sake.
    Gen 18:32

    Remember Sodom and Gomorrah...

  • Chas »
    Mon Jun 01, 2009 12:55 am Agree: 1   Disagree: 5

    Traditional Marriage is upheld, praise the Lord.

    Now get ready for more lawsuits.

    May the Lord of Justice reveal His Word on Marriage throughout the Land.

    JESUS IS LORD of Heaven and Earth!

  • Sat May 30, 2009 9:26 pm Agree: 1   Disagree: 2

    "This is perfect. Great post. This is the Rosary."

    ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

    And yet I do, or strive to do, all that without the rosary.

  • Sat May 30, 2009 9:17 pm Agree: 0   Disagree: 2

    I'm in love with the cutest Beagle I just met. Do you think I can get married in Massachusetts with Teddy (hic) Kennedy as best hound?

  • Sat May 30, 2009 9:01 pm Agree: 1   Disagree: 2

    "1. Meditating on God's glory (Ps. 18:1-3).
    2. Trusting in God's great power (Ps. 31:23).
    3. Seeking fellowship with God (Ps. 63:1-8).
    4. Loving God's Law (Ps. 119:165).
    5. Being sensitive to how God feels (Ps. 69:9).
    6. Loving what God loves (Ps. 119:72, 97, 103).
    7. Loving whom God loves (1 John 5:1).
    8. Hating what God hates (Ps. 97:10).
    9. Grieving over sin (Matt. 26:75).
    10. Rejecting the world (1 John 2:15).
    11. Longing to be with Christ (2 Tim. 4:8).
    12. Obeying God wholeheartedly (John 14:21)."

    This is perfect. Great post. This is the Rosary.

  • Thu May 28, 2009 8:18 pm Agree: 0   Disagree: 0

    Yes, I know. LOL. I loved that joke as a kid. It's still funny today.

  • Thu May 28, 2009 7:13 pm Agree: 0   Disagree: 0

    You see if you read it as Mister Ducks, then it proves you're a Yankee!

  • Thu May 28, 2009 6:56 pm Agree: 0   Disagree: 1

    "What are you brothers talking about?"

    OK...say the letters with a southern accent and then the words as words....

    M R DUCKS!
    M R NOT DUCKS!
    M R 2 DUCKS!
    C M WANGS?
    L I B M R DUCKS!!!

  • Thu May 28, 2009 6:53 pm Agree: 0   Disagree: 0

    prophet, what are you talking about, this is a bonafide, certified immigration test for any Yankee attempting to go south of the Mason-Dixon Line, I had to pass it before my wife's Daddy would let me marry her!!!

  • Thu May 28, 2009 5:55 pm Agree: 0   Disagree: 0

    ROTFL at Jehovahnissi....

    That's an old joke. I'm suprised you've never heard it.

    Believer,

    "Unfortunately, it really is how people talk here in the hills of SC!" That's what's scary.

  • Thu May 28, 2009 4:35 pm Agree: 1   Disagree: 2

    LOL I got it finally...I thought you all had lost your marbles for a few there...

  • Thu May 28, 2009 1:47 pm Agree: 0   Disagree: 0

    prophet, which would you consider scarier, the test or the fact that a guy from Rochester NY passed the test!!

  • Thu May 28, 2009 1:16 pm Agree: 0   Disagree: 0

    That's scary. Really.

  • Thu May 28, 2009 1:11 pm Agree: 0   Disagree: 0

    DP, I was told this is a test to prove one is truly from the South, it is a verbal test of course:
    MR DUCKS
    MR NOT DUCK
    MR 2 DUCKS
    CM WANGS
    LIB MR DUCKS

  • Thu May 28, 2009 12:41 pm Agree: 0   Disagree: 0

    "I haven't heard that joke in years."

    Unfortunately, it really is how people talk here in the hills of SC!!! Our part of the state even scares Jeff Foxworthy.... :D

  • Thu May 28, 2009 12:14 pm Agree: 0   Disagree: 0

    Daniel,

    LOL. I haven't heard that joke in years. I love it.

  • Thu May 28, 2009 11:43 am Agree: 0   Disagree: 0

    "I believe a duck is a cow. "

    Mr Ducks
    Mr not ducks
    Mr 2 ducks
    Mr not
    OSAR

  • Thu May 28, 2009 10:58 am Agree: 3   Disagree: 4

    To Alocksee

    It is arguable that today America is a secular, or more accurately, pagan country. But it sure did not begin that way, and the Constituion is still our governing document.

    Of the 55 delegates to the Constitutional Convention that resulted in our founding document, 28 were Episcopalian, 8 were Presbyterians, 7 were Congregationalists, 2 Lutheran, 2 Dutch Reformed, 2 Methodists, 2 Roman Catholics. You were the revisionist argument today that they were Deists. Three were, one was unknown. 51 of 55 were Christians in the classic sense of the word who believed that our rights come from our Creator, not from government. That's 93 per cent.

    But these men did agree that others had rights to free expression. That's not so evident a belief among the loud left today. They consistently try to shout down Christians.

  • Thu May 28, 2009 8:03 am Agree: 0   Disagree: 0

    dan, I've had the same thing happen to me when I've posted something and forgot it can be used in a dirty way even though that was not my intention at all, but then I've seen others posts words that I couldn't believe got through.

  • Thu May 28, 2009 8:00 am Agree: 0   Disagree: 3

    al, no, your preception of civil unions does not fit all of us and specifically myself, while I am totally in favor of stronger domestic partnership laws I am totally opposed to same-sex marriages and/or same-sex unions since in reality they are essentially the same thing whereas as domestic partnerships are based solely on ensuring two consenting adults who live in the same household and are each others primary caregiver receive the same legal rights and benefits as a married heterosexual couple regardless of their gender, sexual orientation, or sexual intentions.

  • Wed May 27, 2009 11:40 pm Agree: 0   Disagree: 0

    Re: Imposing their beliefs on others. Correct:

    I believe a duck is a cow.

  • Wed May 27, 2009 8:27 pm Agree: 4   Disagree: 6

    Alocksee,

    >>"America is a secular country and no amount of revisionist history is going to change that fact...."<<

    More accurately to read, "America was a Christian nation and secular revisionist history has erased our heritage to decieve the citizens."

    You are the victim of revisionist American History courtesy of secularized government run public school system and liberal universities wholesaling "mental conditioning they were subjected to to produce the mindless bunch of robotic followers". That is what secularized education has produced; mindless global citizens. My daughter was able to graduate public high school without taking ANY government courses, now that is a deliberate dumbing down.

    Secularists have worked very hard to scrub any mention of our founding fathers Christian faith from school textbooks over the last 50 years and now secularists feel this lie can be declared with impunity.

    Secular humanism IS religion making man the final arbitrator; it is the religion of "No God" and since it involved no religious ideology, government has indoctrinated it's citizenry with it. Unfortunately secular lies have won the day and because of it, this nation is declining from the once great nation it was when people held to God's moral code. God must be removed from America so that there will be no resistance to a one world centalized government.... coming soon.

    It was so easy to shove this agenda down the throats of unwary citizens in the past but now the Church is waking up and not swallowing the secuarlist, globalists agenda. We have witnessed the devasting effects of your system on this country and the Church will continue to fight while we are called to "occupy".

  • Wed May 27, 2009 8:23 pm Agree: 2   Disagree: 2

    "America is a secular country and no amount of revisionist history is going to change that fact although it seems that some pulpit puppets continue like it will."

    I was taught in the Public Schools that America was settled and founded by those who came here to escape religious persecuation. This is what the history text books said when I was in school. So, no amount of revisionist history is going to change the fact that this country was founded by people who came here to worship God freely.

  • Wed May 27, 2009 7:23 pm Agree: 4   Disagree: 1

    ID4234 »
    If those who are for Prop. 8 and against gay marriage are imposing their beliefs on others, then would those who are for gay marriage, if they got their way, be imposing their beliefs on others? Is it anyone who prevails who imposes, or does it only apply to Christians when the Biblical view carries the day? Is the standard for imposing impartial or does it simply apply to certain groups such as Christians?
    ---------------------------------------------------------
    In Response:
    America is a secular country and no amount of revisionist history is going to change that fact although it seems that some pulpit puppets continue like it will. that being said the imposing of the religious beliefs of one group under the guise of law is simply that imposing and forcing others to follow their beliefs. The problem results is bad for everyone involved and doesn't address the underlying issue of those attempting to control the minority. Fundamentalist and Evangelicals are simply forcing their beliefs onto others who don't practice their form of religion,nor have any right to continue to do so. This is being addressed and the recent upholding of the 18,000 plus marriages show that this is the way its going to go and just a matter of time until full equality is made in fact.

    The people involved in forcing their beliefs upon others must stop and they will be stopped very soon since their agenda has been exposed. The people are no longer following along blindly and are recovering form the mental conditioning they were subjected to to produce the mindless bunch of robotic followers. I don't mean to sound offensive but it is fact and no longer hidden from the public's eyes, this fundie agenda is over with and there aren't enough of them left in Congress to have any effect. Bush is gone and so is his ability to affect America with the restrictive laws and practices any longer.
    TFR

  • Wed May 27, 2009 6:35 pm Agree: 5   Disagree: 1

    From what I have read here it seems as though everyone would be fine with the idea of having civil unions that carry the same rights, privileges and recognition as heterosexual couples marriages have for same sex couples so long as they weren't "married", but just calling the union for same sex couples "civil unions" instead of "marriage"

    Does that state the general opinion here correctly?

    TFR

  • Wed May 27, 2009 6:31 pm Agree: 3   Disagree: 1

    From what I have read here it seems as though everyone would be fine with the idea of having civil unions that carry the same rights, privileges and recognition as heterosexual couples marriages have for same sex couples so long as they weren't "married", but just calling the union for same sex couples "civil unions" instead of "marriage"

    Does that state the general opinion here correctly?

    TFR

  • Wed May 27, 2009 3:41 pm Agree: 0   Disagree: 2

    "You mean we can read a post and see what it says?"

    I read the post before it was flagged. Now, the problem may have been that it was in somewhat broken English which may have given a misunderstanding of what was there.

    Still, I have seen a thing or two from you that may have pushed the boundaries a bit!!! Have you ever known a Dan that didn't? We're Dan if we do and Dan if we don't....

  • Wed May 27, 2009 3:13 pm Agree: 0   Disagree: 0

    "It makes the marriage legal. All marriages in every state are civil marriages. If they are blessed by their religious affiliations, then it is something that is other than fulfilling a statute."

    Yes, very good posting and this is why "annulments" (Church) do not make the children "illegitimate." The civil marriage validates it as a true marriage, but not a sacramental marriage as in Church.
    In a Catholic ceremony, many believe "erroneously" that the "priest marries the couple." Not true. The Sacrament is that the couple marry each other-the priest is the chief witness.

  • Wed May 27, 2009 3:09 pm Agree: 0   Disagree: 0

    "Who flagged ChinYinYu? I read the post and didn't see anything wrong with it."

    You mean we can read a post and see what it says?

    I made a post and they told me I would be given "the Christian boot" if I didn't shape up? I revewed it and did not see anything wrong with it ('cause I'm such a nice guy) Then I realized what happend, I used an old phrase Tom, "Richard" and Harry - except I used the short name for "Richard" and they must have thought it was dirty. So I know - they load a ton of "swear words into the software-compare it and this is why they are so often wrong.

  • Wed May 27, 2009 3:04 pm Agree: 0   Disagree: 0

    Something some people miss here is that marriage is not only a religious institution. It is also a civil institution. At the end of every marriage ceremony in, at least, Christian churches the clergyperson says something similar to: "By the power vested in me by the State of (whatever state has granted the marriage license} I now pronounce you ....." In a church the registration must be signed by the clergy and those married immediately after the ceremony. In another setting where a judge or justice of the peace or another licensed official the registration is signed as well. This is only done because the state requires it. It makes the marriage legal. All marriages in every state are civil marriages. If they are blessed by their religious affiliations, then it is something that is other than fulfilling a statute.

  • Wed May 27, 2009 2:17 pm Agree: 1   Disagree: 0

    LSP,
    good post on the roles of the branches of govt and nice clear concise analysis of the heart of the decision. Also I agree with you re leg vs. jud making law. That is why while one may disagree with the law in Maine the process was right in that it was enacted through the citizen legislature. If the people don't like it they can referendum it out or elect new reps whichever they prefer.

  • Wed May 27, 2009 2:12 pm Agree: 0   Disagree: 6

    Today's Washington Post, liberal though it is, reveals that Judge Sotomayor has been reversed 60 per cent of the time when one of her decisions that she wrote for the 2nd Circuit went to the Supreme Court.

    Probably that percentage will increase when the New Haven Firefighters case gets there later this session.

  • Wed May 27, 2009 12:35 pm Agree: 4   Disagree: 2

    Flagged as inappropriate. show Looks like it's only beginning. A new front in the battle over gay marriage in California will open today when two prominent attorneys will challenge Proposition 8 in federal court. The attorneys, who argued on opposite sides of the Bush vs. Gore election case in 2000, will hold a press conference announcing a federal lawsuit and calls for the restoration of gay marriage until the case is decided. Once it gets to the Federal level who knows how it will end up. hide

  • Wed May 27, 2009 12:15 pm Agree: 0   Disagree: 2

    Who flagged ChinYinYu? I read the post and didn't see anything wrong with it.

  • Wed May 27, 2009 12:14 pm Agree: 3   Disagree: 7

    "Christians actually fail in this battle because we'd started the disharmony,unequal,unsincere-love and will be continue may be until forever."

    Actually, no. Satan started the disharmony in the garden and mankind went along with it and made that disharmony our own. This world is God's creation and He has the right to say how we should use it. It's not about gays vs. fundamentals. It's about God vs. sin.

    The unsincere-love is from mankind towards God by saying we love Him with our lips but our actions being far from Him. It isn't about a set of rules. I don't have a set of rules to stay on my wife's good side. I have a relationship with her. This means wanting to do what pleases her. This is done through communication. God communicated with us through the Bible which clearly says that gay is not OK.

    Romans 1 says "men with men" is sin. The word "with" is the greek word "en" which means in. It is the word used to describe a baby "in" the womb. It insults the God I love for people to abuse themselves in any form. This includes abuse of alchohol, drugs, sex and the like.

    In short, I don't put rocket fuel in my gas tank. It may be spectacular for a second but the end results are disaster.

  • Wed May 27, 2009 11:42 am Agree: 1   Disagree: 2

    Flagged as inappropriate. show Why eliminate-repel gays marriage ?(gays won't do this to all other kind marriage).We still can't find one verse of Scripture to point at or condems-punish today gays or theirs' marriage.Theirs marriage similar to the "Marriage between Christ with Church" or "Marriage between celibate with God" to express their loyal-commitment-responsibility.Sex is nature in the sinful body(include hetero,homo,bi,none), none of us who did this will be sacred than others. hide

  • Wed May 27, 2009 11:30 am Agree: 3   Disagree: 7

    If those who are for Prop. 8 and against gay marriage are imposing their beliefs on others, then would those who are for gay marriage, if they got their way, be imposing their beliefs on others? Is it anyone who prevails who imposes, or does it only apply to Christians when the Biblical view carries the day? Is the standard for imposing impartial or does it simply apply to certain groups such as Christians?

  • Wed May 27, 2009 11:22 am Agree: 1   Disagree: 0

    This case is not about hate, discrimination, or religion. The case decided yesterday by the California Supreme Court was simply about whether the people of that state could lawfully amend the state's equal protection clause, thus defining marriage as between one man and one woman. As the California Constitution specifically allowed this right, it doesn't matter whether the amendment is a bad one or a good one. It simply matters whether the Constitution gave the people the right to make Amendments. The Court itself recognized this, which is why they admitted that their feelings over the content of the amendment did not matter.

    Personally, while I do not agree with the gay lifestyle (we live in a country where anyone can believe what they want) I am okay with the states that have used the legislative as opposed to the judicial process to allow gay marriage.

    The purpose of the judiciary is to interpret law, not rewrite it. That being said, Justices must adhere to proper rules of statutory construction. These rules are: (1) follow the plain language of the questioned provision, and (2) if the law is unclear, look for past case law precedent and also the intent of the drafters.

    As California's equal protection clause did not say anything about gays getting the right to marry or not, the judiciary should have looked at the intent of the drafters of the clause. If they had done this, they would have seen that the intent of the drafters was to mirror the federal equal protection clause which was enacted specifically to combat race, national origin, and ethnic discrimination.

    Based on this, rather than striking down the existing civil union statute last year, the Court should have found that the equal protection clause did not grant a right in favor of gay marriage. Had this happened, the people never would have had to mobilize together to overrule this bad decision.

    Note, I'm okay with the legislators or the people themselves amending the constitution (either state or federal) to allow gay marriage rights because this is how the law is created in our country-through legislative as opposed to judicial means.

  • Wed May 27, 2009 10:47 am Agree: 7   Disagree: 5

    Histories and what's just happened proved that there'll be division,isolation,hostility,antagonistic or even started wars when humans let the Over-Conservative-religious become the fundamental of Law .Please, it's wisdom if legislative,professionals,specialists decide-legalize The Gay Marriage.

  • Wed May 27, 2009 10:31 am Agree: 4   Disagree: 2

    Flagged as inappropriate. show The Supreme Court uphold the Pro8 because of "52percent voters approved"or"people have fundamental right to amend own constitution", and another reason is: majority of voters are conservative religious-people , not fair for the minority.Christians actually fail in this battle because we'd started the disharmony,unequal,unsincere-love and will be continue may be until forever. hide

  • Wed May 27, 2009 10:20 am Agree: 5   Disagree: 4

    The Supreme Court uphold It because of "the 52 percent voters approved "or "people have fundamental right to amend own constitution",and another reason is majority of voters are conservative religious-people; it's not fair for the minority.It's wisdom if legistatives,professionals, specialist to decide-legalize Gay Marriage.Histories taught humans if conservative-religious become fundamental of law always cause division,isolation,hostility; this prove that Christians aren't actually win in this battle.

  • Wed May 27, 2009 7:59 am Agree: 3   Disagree: 2

    The following Scriptures reveal a message of hope in Christ and transformed lives v7 - "You used to walk in these ways" - (past tense) ---- Colossians 3:1-7 ----- Rules for Holy Living --- 1 Since, then, you have been raised with Christ, set your hearts on things above, where Christ is seated at the right hand of God. 2 Set your minds on things above, not on earthly things. 3 For you died, and your life is now hidden with Christ in God. 4 When Christ, who is your life, appears, then you also will appear with him in glory. 5 Put to death, therefore, whatever belongs to your earthly nature: sexual immorality, impurity, lust, evil desires and greed, which is idolatry. 6 Because of these, the wrath of God is coming. 7 You used to walk in these ways, in the life you once lived.

  • Wed May 27, 2009 12:23 am Agree: 0   Disagree: 1

    Danpat I think that's the wrong spelling. I think it may be Pederast that they are thinking of.

  • Tue May 26, 2009 11:52 pm Agree: 0   Disagree: 0

    Flagged as inappropriate. show "The New Testament does condemn homosexuality. And prove that God created marriage and sex for a man and a woman." Something like Toys R Us, huh? hide

  • Tue May 26, 2009 11:50 pm Agree: 0   Disagree: 0

    Flagged as inappropriate. show "A couple of women I know, who'd been together for about fifteen years, got married. They're raising a daughter together." Which one gave birth to the daughter? hide

  • Tue May 26, 2009 11:47 pm Agree: 2   Disagree: 3

    "The Greek word in that passage is not homosexuality and everyone familiar with Ancient Greek knows it. It is apparent you are not well read or educated, but this may help you."

    Interesting that I have gone to secular greek translator programs and dictionaries and the word "paiderasste" doesn't appear to be a valid word. I went to 3 different secular greek dictionaries and "no results found". Maybe the reason that Paul didn't use the word is because it isn't a real greek word! I may have just been a slang word that Paul would not have used any more than our modern day pastors would use the f word.

    This is where the wisdom of God prevails. Romans 1 is very clear "men with men" is men putting their sexuality into other men. God used one of the most common words in the Greek language to make his point and make mute the arguements of the pro-gay agenda.

  • Tue May 26, 2009 11:47 pm Agree: 0   Disagree: 0

    Flagged as inappropriate. show "No, the Holy Spirit wrote the Epistles, not Paul. If you do not believe in the infallibility of Scripture, I suggest the Unitarian Universalists may be a more fitting home." Yes, I heard HS stayed at the Holiday Inn and used a ballpoint pen. Infallibility? Isn't it an error for Protestants to add "for thine is the kingdom, and the power, and the glory" to Christ's words in the Our Father. Jesus is God so I don't think He needs prompting on how to pray to His Father. hide

  • Tue May 26, 2009 11:36 pm Agree: 0   Disagree: 1

    KLM,
    goodnight.

  • Tue May 26, 2009 11:12 pm Agree: 0   Disagree: 0

    Thanks, viking. Now be careful with that helmet - you don't want to poke anyone with those horns!

  • Tue May 26, 2009 10:56 pm Agree: 1   Disagree: 1

    KLM,
    Just as God and anyone who truly follows Christ (in my opinion) is inclined to. That's the point of free will and a willing surrender to Christs commandment to love (agape) one another. In some ways you may be closer to Christ than some that call his name.

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