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San Diego County Allows Bible Studies to Continue in Home

By Nathan Black|Christian Post Reporter

The San Diego County has backed down from shutting down a home Bible study after receiving a flood of complaints from people concerned that the county is attempting to "muzzle religious expression."

"No one respects the right to free religious expression more than I do, and no one would find the infringement of such rights more abhorrent," said county Chief Administrative Officer Walt Ekard said in a statement Friday.

Ekard said dozens of e-mail and calls have come in to his office as media reports revealed that a county employee told a local couple they could not hold their weekly Bible study without a permit.

The employee labeled their Bible study a "religious assembly."

In a warning letter, Pastor David Jones and his wife, Mary, were ordered to "cease/stop religious assembly on parcel or obtain major use permit."

The Joneses, along with dozens of others, argue that their right to hold Bible studies is protected by the U.S. Constitution.

While many saw the county's attempt as an infringement upon their right to assemble peaceably and privately in their home, CAO Ekard stressed that the county "has never tried to stifle religious expression and never will."

"This is a land issue," Ekard stated, and not an issue of religious expression.

"I deeply regret that a routine code enforcement issue has transformed into a debate over religious freedom in San Diego County," he said.

The county had received complaints from a neighbor about traffic and parking issues resulting from the weekly Bible studies, Ekard noted.

Pastor Jones believes the complaint was prompted when a Bible study member hit the car belonging to a neighbor's visitor. Jones paid for the car damage.

Dean Broyles, president of the Western Center for Law and Policy, based in Escondido, Calif., which is representing the Joneses, believes the county's insistence that this is a parking issue is fabricated.

"Broyles told the Union-Tribune that the officer had asked the couple such questions as "Do you sing?" and "Do you say 'praise the Lord?'"

Ekard is reviewing the officer's actions and re-examining the policies and procedures the county uses "to deal with such complaints."

If the officer is found to have acted inappropriately, Ekard said he will take action immediately.

"[L]et me be clear: religious intolerance in any form is not, and never will be, allowed under any circumstance in San Diego County government," Ekard underscored.

Until the county finds a solution to the matter, the Joneses will be allowed to continue their Bible studies.

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  • Fri Jun 05, 2009 5:12 am Agree: 0   Disagree: 0

    Danial Paul
    You have said...
    "It was not the pastor who was doing the judging"

    Although my comments were not actually addressing the Pastor directly, it should be noted that it is the Pastor who either directly or indirectly supported the actions of the community against those of the County.

    The Pastor was judging a legal action taken against him. It is still not clear if any parking laws were being violated, and perhaps there is some room for further clearification on the laws.

    But it is clear that the County drew attention it did not want. Perhaps, from here on, the parties involved will resolve this more peacefully.

    My comments should not be taken as a judgement against the Pastor. Only to say that the Psator did in fact demonstrate judgement.

  • Wed Jun 03, 2009 6:26 pm Agree: 0   Disagree: 0

    "If God grants it to us to provide judgement, then who are we to say "Judge not lest you be judged"."

    It was not the pastor who was doing the judging. Also, if parking is the issue there are solutions for that. To be honest, there are no laws that I could find that prohibit lawful parking for such a thing as a Bible study, Amway meeting, Boy Scouts or anything else. Any law that results in the prohibitation of free expression of religion is unconstitutional. They would have to change their parking laws and inforce it everywhere in the county.

    I would recommend "No Parking This Side of Street" be posted on one side of the road. When we met at a home we would all park on one side of the street and not block driveways or anything like that.

  • Tue Jun 02, 2009 9:09 pm Agree: 0   Disagree: 1

    cbethard
    You have commented....
    "As Christians Yes we turn the other cheek but that line of thinking is wrong, It means do no violence we can still speak out for Christ and we can speak forcably. The Problem is that many Christians think that they cant defend themselves and thats not true. Jesus Took action even forcably removing people from the temple, and he never backed down from authority, he just did it with love and conviction."

    If God grants it to us to provide judgement, then who are we to say "Judge not lest you be judged".

    And if God grants it that we should suffer persecution, who are we to resist.

    And if the Holy Spirit has a word for us to give, then who are we to deny the Spirit.

    And if the Holy Spirit leads us to drive out sin with more than just words, then who are we to quench the Spirit.

  • Tue Jun 02, 2009 11:14 am Agree: 1   Disagree: 0

    I disagree with timothybrown01's understanding of "illegal churches". The state cannot require the registration of churches ever. The 1st amendment states, Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof;" The state offers the protection of incorporation but cannot require it. Communist countries require the registration of churches not here in the US. The government is not in the business of determining if a church is legit or not. However a city can require a public use permit that it would require for any other public use of a facility in order to protect from risk of fire/stampede. This incident is a gathering in a home, no different than a regular movie night and no city can restrict that. See the rest of 1st amendment as to why.

  • Tue Jun 02, 2009 8:59 am Agree: 0   Disagree: 0

    I disagree with wrhalver's statement.

    As Christians Yes we turn the other cheek but that line of thinking is wrong, It means do no violence we can still speak out for Christ and we can speak forcably. The Problem is that many Christians think that they cant defend themselves and thats not true. Jesus Took action even forcably removing people from the temple, and he never backed down from authority, he just did it with love and conviction.

    I say it is time to stand up and speak out for Jesus. You can sway authority through a unified front and prayer, Sure God will answer our prayers and "Get our Backs" but he also expects us to "Get his back" so to speak.

    Jesus is not a Passivist, he is an activist and the Term Christian means Christ like so lets get "Christ Like" and stand up for the Truth.

  • Chas »
    Mon Jun 01, 2009 12:45 am Agree: 3   Disagree: 1

    Awesome news! Now we can all go back to saying "Amen" in our homes and "Praise the Lord" without having the Govt butting in.

    JESUS IS LORD! We CAtholics and our Protestant and Evangelical brothers and sisters in Christ better start getting together more and stand more united so we can be a stronger unified front to the pagan secularists. Sepparately they can pick us a part, but together we stand strong in Christ who strengthens us.

  • Sun May 31, 2009 5:45 pm Agree: 2   Disagree: 0

    Glad to hear that San Diego County backed down. Have several thoughts: (1) Thankfulness for the freedom we have in this country to practice our faith. (2) What this pastor faced reminds me of the daily persecution faced by our Christian brethren in our countries, may we remember to pray for them! (3) More persecution of church in the U.S. could be a blessing; it will separate the true believers from the merely professing believers, and the true church will grow as Christians turn to the Lord Jesus Christ in prayer.

  • Sun May 31, 2009 5:01 pm Agree: 0   Disagree: 1

    Good I am glad they back down. The Pastor was doing nothing wrong but spreading the gospel. Praise the LORD!!!!

  • Sun May 31, 2009 3:22 pm Agree: 0   Disagree: 2

    In response to weekenderman's comments. Please read the other comment I just posted. San Diego (and I assume the City where you reside) has parking regulations. The people who park illegally could be sited in accordance with those laws. Pursuant to California law, the City did not handle the issue properly. What really upsets me is that many zoning commissioners / planners go about their business without even understanding the underlying law, and force people to either spend a lot of money going to court to prove their position of cave into the dictatorial whims of the current lot of people in control.

    Churches are often the ones who have to pay to fight the whims of commissioners and planners who would rather mandate their whims than study the law.

  • Sun May 31, 2009 3:05 pm Agree: 1   Disagree: 1

    The parking issues are a ruse. Unless the gathering is for the purpose of conducting business as a "church", the gathering would be subject to the same traffic regulations as any other citizen. In California "church" has a very specific meaning. Churches must be registered as "California religious corporations".

    It would be possible for operate a a "church" illegally (without being registered) but the term "church" has a very specific meaning and involves collecting monies from participants or members, maintaining regularly scheduled services and a number of other issues.

    If this were a valid issue, the City or its representative would first have to prove that the gathering was actually a "church" and require it to register as a "California religious corporation". If it was an emergency, they could file for a restraining order that would require the group stop its activities until it had registered and obtained any needed permits.

    Who ever did and / or tolerated this is either ignorant of the laws they were entrusted to protect or simply malicious using their position of authority to dictate their will. San Diego should be ashamed.

  • Sun May 31, 2009 11:02 am Agree: 1   Disagree: 2

    gestroud

    Well stated.

    I believe the politically correct term for it is being "tolerant".

    And since Christians are supposed to "turn the other cheek", tolerance is a one-way street.

  • Sun May 31, 2009 10:20 am Agree: 8   Disagree: 1

    @chicago24

    If it had been a Muslim-based study of the Quran, this never would have happened. American government and the media are too afraid to prohibit or curtail Islamic expressions of worship (except for the loud calls to worship that break noise pollution laws). It's Christianity that's under attack these days.

  • Sun May 31, 2009 6:51 am Agree: 1   Disagree: 1

    chicago, in the past there have been articles about others who were being denied religious fredom who were not Christians and I remember posters to include myself who responded by saying that even though they may not agree with their religious beliefs and practices they were opposed to them not being allowed the freedom to express them and I believe the same would be true if this was about a group of muslims who were meeting for a study.

  • Sun May 31, 2009 5:53 am Agree: 2   Disagree: 2

    Obviously, this case has many of you concerned about religious freedom. I was wondering if any of you would have been this upset if this individual had been an Imam who was conducting studies about the Quran?

    Think about it.

    Would you have been so quick to claim that this was an infringement on religious freedom if it had involved Islam, or would you have chalked it up to violating a parking ordinance? (like I did in a previous post)

    I'd like you to think about what your reaction would have been if this had been a Quran study.

    After all, religious freedom doesn't automatically apply to only one religion.

  • Sun May 31, 2009 1:38 am Agree: 0   Disagree: 0

    weekenderman

    I was thinking more of the publicity that this situation has taken on.

    This could have been settled by more peaceful means, but "someone" chose to push buttons and was able to get the County to react in such a way that drew such attention.

    And only now after the feedback is the County second- guessing how to resolve it. Sounds like its back to more peaceful means.

  • Sat May 30, 2009 9:00 pm Agree: 1   Disagree: 0

    "They don't mention who the "someone" is that filed the complaint, but the County jumped on it. Must be someone high up in the ranks."

    Mere conjecture. If a complaint comes in, someone responds to it. That does NOT require approval from "someone high up in the ranks."

    BTW, in every municipality, all complaints are anonymous.

  • Sat May 30, 2009 6:30 pm Agree: 1   Disagree: 4

    From an indepedant media outlet...
    "However, according to Chandra Wallar, a San Diego County representative, someone filed a complaint last month stating the bible study was causing parking troubles in the cul-de-sac.

    The county looked into the complaint. "There was parking that prevented access for emergency vehicles, and there was parking on the resident lot which violates our code," Wallar says."

    They don't mention who the "someone" is that filed the complaint, but the County jumped on it. Must be someone high up in the ranks.

  • Sat May 30, 2009 5:15 pm Agree: 4   Disagree: 5

    "It is frightening that mass delusions of supernatural beings still exist today."

    Apparently, you don't need religion to be delusional...!

    You are correct...there is no middle ground.... Closed minded anti-reality people such as yourself do have trouble thinking beyond simple animal existance which centers around oneself as the center of the universe.

    You seem almost paranoid in your anti-God defense. You show a great need for there not to be a God who will judge your life. Exactly...what did you do???

  • Sat May 30, 2009 4:25 pm Agree: 7   Disagree: 2

    fizzmickpachee@gmail.com,

    The greatest evidence for us believers in Jesus Christ is watching Him move in our lives, and seeing our lives transformed. I once ran the streets, did drugs, and generally was screwing up my life. I've now gone to college, am drug and alcohol free, married and living a joyful and peaceful life. I even motorcycle, which for me is a hobby I would never have picked up without trust in God. I've been motorcycling for 8 years now and God has kept me safe. I backpack in bear country without fear, though I do use wisdom in keeping safe. Everything I've asked God for in my life he has provided. I read the Bible and see the truth from God, a plan from beginning to end. God doesn't leave you hanging on earth, come to Him and He will give you eternal life and watch over you in this life until then. Jesus wants to have a personal relationship with every man.

  • Sat May 30, 2009 4:14 pm Agree: 2   Disagree: 2

    Flagged as inappropriate. show fizzmickpachee@gmail.com, It actually takes more faith to believe in Evolution than Christianity. We have the Bible, archeology, both of which consistently show the Bible as accurate even where history once said it wasn't. We have the future predicted by prophecy in the Bible that proved accurate in history. Science today backs up the creation, as the universe was created from a point of energy in the Big Bang and is still expanding. We have research into near death experiences, where people report going through a life review with Jesus, and this bears out in their changed lives after the experience, and doctors have been able to confirm in cases that they did go outside their body and witness the resuscitation efforts unique in their case. There is a difference in micro vs. macro-evolution, micro being fine changes within a species, macro being the addition of new traits and transitions to new species. There is no evidence for macro-evolution, but evidence does exist for micro-evolution, and now new research that suggests these changes are programmed in the DNA. For Macro-evolution the major stumbling block is the DNA barrier and how new genetic code is added. This is a extraordinary time to be alive with so much discovery having been accomplished so that every man can make an informed opinion. hide

  • Sat May 30, 2009 3:45 pm Agree: 2   Disagree: 7

    Flagged as inappropriate. show No breaks for the delusional. They should have tax exemptions revoked too. Thankfully Darwin's discovery of evolution completely rules out the possibility that man came from some dirt that a god used to make an image of himself out of, and that woman came from a rib of this dirt-man. Compare the amount of interlocking data from every applicable scientific field including geology, physics, and even molecular biology, all having observational experiments done, that test and prove the hypotheses of evolution occurring, with the DISCREDITED FAIRY TALE - a big invisible monster that nobody has ever seen or heard did it. It is frightening that mass delusions of supernatural beings still exist today. It is the same thing as saying that my invisible fire breathing dragon is more powerful than your multi-headed fire spewing sea monster. So, come around to my way of thinking or I will commit atrocities for it. Everything from the murderous blood stained Sky Daddy who drowned virtually all humanity and other life, sentenced everyone to leave Utopia after Eve (persuaded by a talking snake) ate a magical apple, had Jonah take a ride in the belly of a whale, ruined the life of Job, told Abraham to murder his own kid, killed all the first born of Egypt, had his chosen people commit genocide on the original inhabitants of Palestine, to letting his own son be nailed to some wood so mankind could party with a ghost - is a FAIRY TALE that humanity needs to reject if we are to see many more generations. By the way if you are dumb enough to believe that this fable is real; in the Bible, the murder count is God/millions - Devil/zero. Whom would you rather spend time with, a vengeful monster or a fallen angel who thought he had a better way? I am NOT promoting the Devil, just illustrating the craziness in this stupidity. Hopefully if you were previously deluded, after reading this you will see how foolish you have been. Society needs to accelerate its retreat from worshiping outlandishly absurd fictional psychopathic beings. There is no middle ground. hide

  • Sat May 30, 2009 3:44 pm Agree: 3   Disagree: 8

    Flagged as inappropriate. show No breaks for the delusional. Thankfully Darwin's discovery of evolution completely rules out the possibility that man came from some dirt that a god used to make an image of himself out of, and that woman came from a rib of this dirt-man. Compare the amount of interlocking data from every applicable scientific field including geology, physics, and even molecular biology, all having observational experiments done, that test and prove the hypotheses of evolution occurring, with the DISCREDITED FAIRY TALE - a big invisible monster that nobody has ever seen or heard did it. It is frightening that mass delusions of supernatural beings still exist today. It is the same thing as saying that my invisible fire breathing dragon is more powerful than your multi-headed fire spewing sea monster. So, come around to my way of thinking or I will commit atrocities for it. Everything from the murderous blood stained Sky Daddy who drowned virtually all humanity and other life, sentenced everyone to leave Utopia after Eve (persuaded by a talking snake) ate a magical apple, had Jonah take a ride in the belly of a whale, ruined the life of Job, told Abraham to murder his own kid, killed all the first born of Egypt, had his chosen people commit genocide on the original inhabitants of Palestine, to letting his own son be nailed to some wood so mankind could party with a ghost - is a FAIRY TALE that humanity needs to reject if we are to see many more generations. By the way if you are dumb enough to believe that this fable is real; in the Bible, the murder count is God/millions - Devil/zero. Whom would you rather spend time with, a vengeful monster or a â hide

  • Sat May 30, 2009 3:41 pm Agree: 0   Disagree: 2

    DP,
    I catch your drift about the county employee (zealous or not). But I would like to know a little about the civic minded citizen who voiced the complaint in the first place.
    A little leaven ...

  • Sat May 30, 2009 3:04 pm Agree: 2   Disagree: 1

    Both of you are correct; this seems to have been an isolated incident (case closed) and this could be a "first shot" (a testing of the waters if you will) with questions like "Do you have a regular weekly meeting in your home? Do you sing? Do you say 'amen'?" the official reportedly asked. "Do you say, 'Praise the Lord'?"

    Inevitably, we know that true believers will not be able to buy or sell unless they submit to the powers that are on the horizon . . .

  • Sat May 30, 2009 1:40 pm Agree: 1   Disagree: 2

    "ummm...do explain the letter then!"

    Umm . . . the letter was an official response to what had occurred. The employee was representing the county, even if the employee went overboard in response to a justified investigation (a car was hit because too many cars were being parked by visitors to the Bible study).

    I'm the chairman of my city's zoning commission, and we see cases like this all the time. Home-based businesses (including home Bible studies) run the risk of being an annoyance to the neighbors and kicking off a dispute. This county handled things properly in the end, and for that I praise God.

  • Sat May 30, 2009 12:08 pm Agree: 1   Disagree: 1

    "this was an isolated incident by a lone county employee"

    ummm...do explain the letter then! It was more than just the lone employee. Ekard made a very wise political move no matter what the situation may have contained. They would have never won the suit between them and the pastor.

    It does raise the question though. Like in broadcast ratings...just how many county employees do these "few" employees represent? How wide spread is the attitude that you could even limit religious expression? Was this just a very poorly placed "first shot".

    Now, with that said, it ain't nothing compared to the level of religious persecution around the world. Still, much of that persecution started with something small like this situation.

  • Sat May 30, 2009 11:34 am Agree: 1   Disagree: 2

    Just as I expected, this was an isolated incident by a lone county employee responding to a parking issue. Case closed. Now let's talk about the REAL religious persecution we're seeing in parts of South America and Asia!

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