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Society|Fri, Jul. 10 2009 04:45 PM EDT

Church's Anti-Islam Sign Sparks Protest

By Michelle A. Vu|Christian Post Reporter

Christians and non-Christians alike are protesting a sign posted by a Florida church that equates Islam with the work of the devil.

Dove World Outreach Center in Gainesville, Fla., posted a sign early this week that reads, “Islam is of the Devil” on its front lawn. Its pastor, Dr. Terry Jones, told local news station WCJB that although most people consider the sign a message of hate, his church sees it as a “message of awareness, of opportunity to talk and to rethink.”

He also said the sign is the church’s way of expressing love to Muslims by informing them that Christianity is the only way to heaven, according to The Gainesville Sun. Jones says Islam is deceptive in presenting itself as a religion of peace.

Local residents, however, have reacted with shock and have staged protests outside the church.

“I was really shocked to see ‘Islam is of the devil’ on their sign,” said Brandon Schneider to the local Action News station. “I’m Jewish but I still take offense to that.”

Muslim American Shahnaz Haghanifar, meanwhile, said the sign creates hate.

Even a member of First Baptist Church of Alachua called the sign a “persecution of religion.”

Despite the protests, Jones said his church does not plan to take down the sign and intends to put up even more signs addressing other hot-button issues like abortion and same-sex marriage.

According to city officials, the church is permitted to keep the sign’s message up if it makes the sign smaller and places it lower to the ground.

Church staffs have thanked protesters for drawing attention to the sign and the church.

Dove World Outreach Center is a charismatic, non-denominational church founded in 1986, according to the church’s website. It is actively involved in the community, helping to feed and clothe the local poor.

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  • Tue Jul 21, 2009 10:43 pm Agree: 0   Disagree: 0

    slacker
    You have commented...
    "Given that it is there land to begin with, they shouldn't have to fight over it, the countries around them should recognize the true owners of the land..."

    Such a simple argument, and yet so complicated to accept.

    But let us remember two things...
    1) The fight for this land plays a major role in biblical prophecy. It is a part of God's plan.

    2) The true nature of the fight is not over the land, but the recognition of being God's chosen people.

    To those who view this land as just land, this fight is senseless.

    But to those who view this land as being the Footstool of God, then it makes a great deal of sense.

  • Fri Jul 17, 2009 11:05 pm Agree: 1   Disagree: 0

    slacker

    << Given that it is there land to begin with, they shouldn't have to fight over it, the countries around them should recognize the true owners of the land...>>

    If you are living in the US, there is a good chance you are living on land stolen from native Americans by white Christian Europeans. What would you do if native Americans attempted to take back the land on which you live? Would you willingly give it back to them, "Given that it is there land to begin with"?


    BTW, just as a point of grammar:

    there is used when describing a place.

    their is used when indicating possession.

  • Thu Jul 16, 2009 7:22 pm Agree: 0   Disagree: 0

    Brit72,
    I would advise you to be very wary of the philosophy of Wrhalver. He has posted in the past that he believes that

    "taking a weapon and killing the non repentant unbeliever to demonstrate the consequences of disobedience"
    is justifiable for Christians who believe that they have been instructed to do this by the holy spirit. (such as the individual who killed the abortion doctor)
    His statements in this area are directly in opposition to Christ's teachings as well as Paul's.
    He is also highly resistant to any Gospel based rebuttal of this anti-christian philosophy.
    His belief that the crusades were holy and justified as acts commissioned by God is part of this deep anti-christian delusion which he uses to justify violence by Christians including killing the unbeliever for refusing to repent. In this he is indistinguishable from other religious radicals such as those who persecute and kill Christians for refusing to convert to Islam.
    In closing I urge you again to be very wary of his anti-christian philosophy.

  • Thu Jul 16, 2009 2:07 pm Agree: 0   Disagree: 0

    "In todays world it is not the Catholics but the Jews themselves who are fighting for the same Holy Land. The same Crusading continues now and then."

    Given that it is there land to begin with, they shouldn't have to fight over it, the countries around them should recognize the true owners of the land...

  • Wed Jul 15, 2009 8:31 pm Agree: 0   Disagree: 0

    believer
    You have commented...
    "wr, you may have exaggerated just a bit when you said there are "many" Protestant denominations that do not believe in the Trinity."

    The emphasis is not on how many, but the fact that there are.

  • Wed Jul 15, 2009 1:55 pm Agree: 0   Disagree: 0

    Persecute those who speak the truth of Christ. Where have I read that before? What should one equate a religion that promotes beheading any person that denies Islam?

  • rj78 »
    Wed Jul 15, 2009 11:46 am Agree: 0   Disagree: 0

    Christians have the right to express their opinions.

    This right is guaranteed in our constitution.

    Islam is a religion of hate. Mohammed himself called on Jihads against every non-Muslim.

    Christians who protest this sign are insulting the memories of their brothers and sisters killed overseas by Muslim extremists.

    The Iraq/Afghanistan wars are justfied.

    But, where sin abounds grace abounds even more. Christ loves Muslims, and so should we. Rick Warren is doing the work of Christ in reaching out with Muslims to combat poverty and is showing Christ's witness by his actions.

  • Tue Jul 14, 2009 8:18 pm Agree: 0   Disagree: 0

    dp said "The Bible says "that which is not for us is against us". Still, that sign has all the tact of an M1 Abrams Tank...."


    as my papa always said....the right tool for the right job.

  • Tue Jul 14, 2009 1:13 am Agree: 2   Disagree: 3

    Waging War in the Spiritual Realms....when do we go offensive?

    We are the Lord's Army on earth; we are under our commander the Lord Jesus Christ. Jesus has given us authority to wage war in spiritual realms, advancing the Gospel of Christ.

    The Holy Spirit in Ephesians 6 presents the equipment of our warfare. In the Spiritual war, the Lord's soldier need to be equipped with the armor of God, not the armor of flesh. For this reason, we need to plan and prepare for battle. Overcoming the Strongholds in our own life is training for those, who choose to advance the kingdom of God. We are now to apply the lessons we learned in defensive warfare, and apply them in offensive warfare.

    Offensive Spiritual warfare, is going on enemy territory, pulling down strongholds, setting Satan's captives free. 2 cor 10:3-5. There are quite a number of ways offensive warfare can be waged; the first thing is to pray about being on the offensive. God wants us to not just be defensive, but to take territory from the enemy. So we need to seek Him, and ask God where we are needed. Like Isaiah, who heard God ask, whom shall I send? He immediately replied, "Here am I! Send me". Isaiah wanted to be used by God, he was willing to face the hardships. God even told him the people would not listen to him, it did not matter Isaiah wanted to be on the Lord's side.

    Another area of spiritual warfare, often overlooked is the power of offensive prayer warfare. Whatever our circumstance, we can always wage prayer warfare on enemy strongholds. We can target our prayers, like Daniel, who prayed for his nation, in opposition to the rulers of pagan Persia.

  • Mon Jul 13, 2009 1:56 pm Agree: 2   Disagree: 0

    The Bible says "that which is not for us is against us". Still, that sign has all the tact of an M1 Abrams Tank....

    From what I've read, Jesus was always more concerned with cleaning the closets in HIS house then he was with other religions.

  • Mon Jul 13, 2009 10:57 am Agree: 0   Disagree: 0

    Yes believer, I think he may have.

  • Mon Jul 13, 2009 10:28 am Agree: 1   Disagree: 0

    wr, you may have exaggerated just a bit when you said there are "many" Protestant denominations that do not believe in the Trinity.

  • Mon Jul 13, 2009 6:07 am Agree: 0   Disagree: 0

    ''But, if I may, I would like to say this much. Although I do not subscribe to many of the Catholic teachings, I acknowledge that they do accept the Holy Trinity.''

    Unfortunately, they are still on the broad road which leads to destruction.

    It's Jesus Christ as Lord and the only way to heaven, trusting only him and not works, that they need to believe.

    ''This is very important since there are many other Protestant denominations that do not.''

    Protestant denominations don't make people saved.

  • Sun Jul 12, 2009 10:45 pm Agree: 3   Disagree: 0

    Google - Hector Aleem of pakistan and you will see the persecution of Christians in Pakistan, a country who gets our tax dollars.

  • Sun Jul 12, 2009 9:06 pm Agree: 0   Disagree: 0

    Brit72
    You have commented...
    "Sorry, I've got to disagree with you there, there were no Holy men involved in the crusades, they were catholics and their intentions were anything but Holy"

    I'm not sure I understand why you feel the original intentions behind the Crusades was not Holy. If it is just because Catholics were involved then we have a very big difference in viewpoints.

    In todays world it is not the Catholics but the Jews themselves who are fighting for the same Holy Land. The same Crusading continues now and then.

    But appearently we have touched on some sensitive subject matters which take this blog off topic.

    But, if I may, I would like to say this much. Although I do not subscribe to many of the Catholic teachings, I acknowledge that they do accept the Holy Trinity.

    This is very important since there are many other Protestant denominations that do not.

  • Sun Jul 12, 2009 5:43 pm Agree: 0   Disagree: 0

    Just to add to my last post.

    Even though these were not Holy men, I still believe that God can use a situation to bring about good, in the end.

  • Sun Jul 12, 2009 4:40 pm Agree: 0   Disagree: 0

    ''The Christian Crusades started out with Holy intentions.''

    Sorry, I've got to disagree with you there, there were no Holy men involved in the crusades, they were catholics and their intentions were anything but Holy.

  • Sun Jul 12, 2009 4:39 pm Agree: 0   Disagree: 1

    To stay on topic, St. Paul tells us to give an account of the hope that is within us (our faith), but to do it with GENTLENESS and REVERENCE. Although well-intentioned, this fails on both counts.

    Think of how Christians would feel if that statement was made against us. I say continue the dialogue, but do it with gentleness and reverence.

  • Sun Jul 12, 2009 2:34 pm Agree: 0   Disagree: 2

    Brit72
    You have commented....
    "If you are talking about the crusades, they were not Christians."

    This was a work of Satan? Please explain your meaning.

    When Christians are killed and or persecuted, it is for the purpose of diverting people away from God in fear of their lives.

    When Christians are truly commissioned by God to make war against peoples or nations, it is for the purpose of removing sin from the land.

    The Christian Crusades started out with Holy intentions. And like with Israel, only those who were commissioned by God were to participate in the crusades. It wasn't meant for everyone.

    A threat was seen to Christians in the region. It is unfortunate that many lost sight of the original task as commissioned by God.

    To use this analogy, this is the same thing that happens in the church when we become over involved in ministry and activities.

    We believe we are working for the sake of Christ, but we are actually working for the sake of good works.

  • Sun Jul 12, 2009 2:00 pm Agree: 0   Disagree: 1

    ''But people are not. Islam is no more of the devil than Chrisitanity when it killed and persecuted. We have a lot of spiritually immature people who put dogman above all because believing in dogma does not require a change in behavior.''

    If you are talking about the crusades, they were not Christians.

    When a person in born again, there is a change in behavior, that the difference between a truly born again Christian and someone who is a Christian by name alone.

  • Sun Jul 12, 2009 1:55 pm Agree: 0   Disagree: 1

    ''Today, any killing or persecution done in the name of faith is considered to be a work of Satan. This is false.''

    I agree with everything you said in this post, but not sure about this bit yet...please could you give examples, thanks. :)

  • Sun Jul 12, 2009 1:49 pm Agree: 0   Disagree: 0

    Brit72

    Rhi Bran made a correlation between demonic activity and killing and persecuting.

    He suggests that Islam is no more demonic than Christianity when there is killing and persecution.

    In this correlation, it needs to be understood the work of Satan is to remove believers in the God of Abraham, Isaac, and Jacob.

    The work of God is to remove sin. Satan is already judged.

    Israel was directed to remove sin by the removal of sinful nations. This was a work of God.

    Today, any killing or persecution done in the name of faith is considered to be a work of Satan. This is false.

  • Sun Jul 12, 2009 1:40 pm Agree: 0   Disagree: 0

    Ok, so I've replied to a post that's been deleteted...lol.

  • Sun Jul 12, 2009 1:38 pm Agree: 0   Disagree: 0

    wrhalver...

    I see, I thought you were implying that some Christians don't have the Holy Spirit, glad we got that one sorted out.

    I know what you mean, there are many so called mental illnesses these day's, some quite mild, some not so and I must say, I have questioned some of them.

    Some Christians don't believe in demonic possession, they think it has stopped happening, don't quite know where they think the devils went, but they don't believe it happens anymore.

  • Sun Jul 12, 2009 1:13 pm Agree: 0   Disagree: 0

    ''But many Christians do not fully understand how to interpret a work of Satan from a work of God. This requires the Holy Spirit.''

    Good post, but what do you mean by this statement?

  • Sun Jul 12, 2009 1:12 pm Agree: 0   Disagree: 0

    ''Is there a particular reason that you are referring to Catholic priests and other Catholic leaders?''

    Because I am having that many discussions with catholics at the moment, I am getting confused where I am when I'm posting...lol.

    ''There are many false teachers and Anti-Christ's circulating throughout all the denominations.''

    This is true.

  • Sun Jul 12, 2009 12:50 pm Agree: 0   Disagree: 0

    Rhi Bran

    Please understand that any faith which denies the existance of the Father, Son, and Holy Spirit as a complete Godhead is false.

    False faiths orginate from the Father of Lies who is also called Satan.

    Satan is granted the authority to work through people. This is not metaphorical, this is quite real.

    But many Christians do not fully understand how to interpret a work of Satan from a work of God. This requires the Holy Spirit.

  • Sun Jul 12, 2009 12:39 pm Agree: 0   Disagree: 0

    Brit72

    Thank you for your reply.

    Is there a particular reason that you are referring to Catholic priests and other Catholic leaders?

    There are many false teachers and Anti-Christ's circulating throughout all the denominations.

    But this should not be a directive to turn away from all of them.

  • Sun Jul 12, 2009 7:09 am Agree: 2   Disagree: 1

    We certainly seem to enjoy throwing around the name Satan don't we? Usually this is done by the same people who know God's opinion even when it has not been stated in scripture. On the other hand, God's opinion of shell fish, clothing woven of two fabrics and the uncleaness of women durng menstruation doen's much concern posters. I would agree that actions may be demonic(in the methaphorical sense). But people are not. Islam is no more of the devil than Chrisitanity when it killed and persecuted. We have a lot of spiritually immature people who put dogman above all because believing in dogma does not require a change in behavior.

  • Sun Jul 12, 2009 6:56 am Agree: 0   Disagree: 0

    ''I agree with your overall general assessment. But could you please clearify the above statement.''

    Ok...

    ''It is clear that we need to identify and stay away from false prophets, but I would like to understand your reference to Priests (Pastors?). Perhaps you mean false Priests/Pastors (church leaders) which we also have to identify first.''

    Catholic priests and while it can be taked generally, I was kind of hinting at the pope with the false prophet bit.

    All believers are a royal priesthood, but it was self appointed priests that I was talking about.


    ''Ye also, as lively stones, are built up a spiritual house, an holy priesthood, to offer up spiritual sacrifices, acceptable to God by Jesus Christ.
    Wherefore also it is contained in the scripture, Behold, I lay in Sion a chief corner stone, elect, precious: and he that believeth on him shall not be confounded.
    Unto you therefore which believe he is precious: but unto them which be disobedient, the stone which the builders disallowed, the same is made the head of the corner,
    And a stone of stumbling, and a rock of offence, even to them which stumble at the word, being disobedient: whereunto also they were appointed.
    But ye are a chosen generation, a royal priesthood, an holy nation, a peculiar people; that ye should shew forth the praises of him who hath called you out of darkness into his marvellous light'' 1 Peter 2:5-9.

    Hallelujah.... :)

  • Sun Jul 12, 2009 1:47 am Agree: 1   Disagree: 0

    abhodim
    You have asked...
    "How would you initiate a Christian Muslim dialogue where you must eventually get around to the subject of Jesus' role as Messiah,...."

    The same way in which you would approach any conversation where someone does not believe in Jesus Christ as the Son of God and Saviour.

    The Holy Spirit will give you the words when the time comes. Study and pray so that you are ready in-season and out.

  • Sat Jul 11, 2009 10:32 pm Agree: 0   Disagree: 0

    BRIT72
    You have commented....
    "Trust Christ and Christ alone, not false prophets, not priests, and certainly not yourself and your filthy rags of righteousness"

    I agree with your overall general assessment. But could you please clearify the above statement.

    It is clear that we need to identify and stay away from false prophets, but I would like to understand your reference to Priests (Pastors?). Perhaps you mean false Priests/Pastors (church leaders) which we also have to identify first.

    As Christians, we are guided by the Holy Spirit within us and others. We have to learn how to listen to that voice of God.

  • Sat Jul 11, 2009 7:23 pm Agree: 1   Disagree: 0

    Yes Isalm is of the devil, but so are all other religions.

    There is only one way to God and that is through the shed blood of the Saviour, the Lord Jesus Christ.

    Trust Christ and Christ alone, not false prophets, not priests, and certainly not yourself and your filthy rags of righteousness.

    ''I am crucified with Christ: neverthless I live; yet not I, but Christ liveth in me: and the life which I now live in the flesh I live by the faith of the Son of God, who loved me, and gave himself for me.'' Galatians 2:20.

  • Sat Jul 11, 2009 7:09 pm Agree: 0   Disagree: 0

    ''They deny the Diety of Christ and that Jesus died on the cross and was resurrected. Those are lies of Satan so as Jesus said " You are of your father the Devil as he was a liar from the beginning"''

    Inside the dome of the rock it say's, ''God has no Son''....Islam is evil, even without the so called extremists.

  • Sat Jul 11, 2009 5:05 pm Agree: 1   Disagree: 0

    Homoousia316 - good enough, these fools in Florida have gotten too much press already.

  • Sat Jul 11, 2009 4:07 pm Agree: 1   Disagree: 0

    Rev,
    I do agree with your assessment of the sign. Too blunt. Probably saying the wrong thing at that.
    So I'll ask you: How would you initiate a Christian Muslim dialogue where you must eventually get around to the subject of Jesus' role as Messiah, especially as it would not be in keeping with Muslim doctrine, but its truthfulness having reprecussions on Muslim teachings?
    Sorry about the "mouthful-sized" question. All I know is that it wouldn't fit on a sign.

  • Sat Jul 11, 2009 2:45 pm Agree: 0   Disagree: 0

    Fortunately and unfortunately, the pastor didn't say the Lord told him to do this.

    This is the word of the Lord on this and all hot point matters:

    Don't have anything to do with foolish and stupid arguments, because you know they produce quarrels.
    And the Lord's servant must not quarrel; instead, he must be kind to everyone, able to teach, not resentful.
    Those who oppose him he must gently instruct, in the hope that God will grant them repentance leading them to a knowledge of the truth, and that they will come to their senses and escape from the trap of the devil, who has taken them captive to do his will. 2Ti 2:23-26

    It is the love of God that brings us to repentance. This is not love. Love is to go to the Muslim workplace, home, public thoroughfairs and greet and develop a relationship. Then you will have a platfom to reach out in love. I know. I do it. It works.

  • Sat Jul 11, 2009 2:06 pm Agree: 2   Disagree: 1

    Islam and Christianity are diametrical opposite faiths based on a mathematical comparison of the Archangel Gabriel's words in the Qur'an in contrast with Archangel Gabriel's words in the book of Daniel. Are the words from two spiritual source books (Daniel vs Qur'an) from one spiritual being (Archangel Gabriel) since they have diametrical opposite messages in their viewpoint of Jesus the Messiah?

    The Qur'anic claim has no archaeological evidence to support its claim, which requires blind faith to accept. In contrast, substantial archaeological evidence supports the Biblical worldview (reasonable faith and quantifiable as a mustard seed). Reference Dr. Colin Hemer, Classic Scholar, "The Book of Acts in the Setting of Hellenistic History" published by Eisenbrauns in 1990. This book details archaeological finds that validate the physical stories written in the book of Acts and permit probability calculations.

    http://www.harvardhouse.com/muslim-christ.htm

    The religious beliefs of Atheism require the most faith of all belief systems (gargantuan faith).

    http://www.harvardhouse.com/Creator_or_Lucky_Dice.htm

    Although it is insensitive to place a sign as the Dove Church posted, the evidence exists that supports something is terribly wrong with the Qur'an based on its claims and no supporting archaeological evidence.

  • Sat Jul 11, 2009 10:01 am Agree: 1   Disagree: 0

    Flagged as inappropriate. show I think that by "this kind of press" I was referring to the CP story and the half-dozen or so local Florida news stories. What a helpful comment. hide

  • Sat Jul 11, 2009 8:13 am Agree: 11   Disagree: 7

    They deny the Diety of Christ and that Jesus died on the cross and was resurrected. Those are lies of Satan so as Jesus said " You are of your father the Devil as he was a liar from the beginning".


    I am glad to see that church not showing fear of man to preach the Gospel. May God richly bless them and protect them.

  • Sat Jul 11, 2009 12:33 am Agree: 1   Disagree: 1

    Just give the 'left' time to read it, like say a couple of days, and watch the sparks start to fly.

  • Fri Jul 10, 2009 9:35 pm Agree: 1   Disagree: 0

    Homoousia - this kind of press???? Just what kind of press do are you talking about? Outside of CP, this story has gotten virtually no press. There is almost nothing at all even on Google news - a total of about 7 stories and there are all local Florida news outlets.

  • Fri Jul 10, 2009 8:05 pm Agree: 6   Disagree: 2

    Flagged as inappropriate. show How come stories about Muslims calling Jews or the United States "the Great Satan" don't get this kind of press? hide

  • Fri Jul 10, 2009 5:24 pm Agree: 6   Disagree: 4

    Flagged as inappropriate. show "He also said the sign is the church's way of expressing love" Doublethink rivaling anything in George Orwell's 1984. hide

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