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Education|Mon, Aug. 10 2009 08:07 PM EDT

Creation Museum Plays Host to Secular Student Alliance

By Eric Young|Christian Post Reporter

An atheist college student who visited the Creation Museum in Petersburg, Ky., with the Secular Student Alliance on Friday was asked to leave after allegedly offending other guests.

Derek Rogers, who was touring the 70,000-square foot museum with around 300 scientists, students, and secularists from the SSA, had earlier been “harangued” by a museum official for “making fun of things and laughing” with the group he came with, according to his account of the visit.

He was later asked to turn inside-out a T-shirt he was wearing that stated “There Probably Is No God.”

“I said, ‘Look, I didn’t realize that was against your policy. I disagree, obviously, but if it means you’re going to kick me out of the museum, I’ll go to the bathroom and change my T-shirt.’ So I did that,” Rogers recalled in a video posted on YouTube.

The final straw was broken not longer after when the computer science major at Dalhouise University in Nova Scotia, Canada, was talking to some people and, by his account, said, “You know, I already spent money on food, and I feel bad enough about that. I wouldn’t want to buy anything in here because I don’t want to give them any more money.”

Reportedly, Rogers’ comments were loud enough to “ruin” the vacation of a family that had traveled from Virginia to see the exhibit and prompted one final warning from Mark Looy, co-founder of the apologetics ministry Answers in Genesis, which operates the museum.

Rogers, however, chose to exit the museum.

“I’m like, ‘OK. I’m exiting right now.’ And he (Looy)’s pulling me aside to tell me this. And then when I start responding to the allegations he’s making against me, he goes ‘Well you were exiting anyway, why don’t you keep exiting,’” he recalled.

“When we agreed to the policy to come here, it said nothing about not making fun of exhibits,” Rogers said.

Notably, however, in a letter sent to Dr. Paul “PZ” Myers and the SSA, Creation Museum Security Manager David Blaylock had warned the group against engaging in “demonstrations, mocking behavior, wearing offensive clothing, or in other conduct that would be offensive to our staff and to other guests.”

“We note, for example, that you have written that you urge the group to wear ‘godless clothing,” Blaylock wrote in the letter advising the group on the museum’s standard policies and requirements concerning guest behavior.

The letter was sent after Creation Museum staff received news of the planned visit to the museum by the group of more than 240 persons, “many of whom have posted comments on your Pharyngula blog ridiculing [Creation Museum founder] Ken Ham and the Creation Museum, using profane language, and some are indicating that it is their intent to conduct themselves in a manner that is provocative, overtly homosexual in behavior, or otherwise socially unacceptable for guests of this privately owned Christian facility.”

The $27-million museum, which first opened to the public on May 28, 2007, is well known and criticized within some camps for its literal interpretation of the Bible. Packed with high-tech exhibits that include animatronic dinosaurs and a huge wooden ark, the Cincinnati-area museum attempts to align the Bible’s literal account of creation with natural history. The museum’s staff and founder, like many other Young Earth creationists, believe dinosaurs appeared on the same day God created other land animals. Continue »

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  • Thu Sep 24, 2009 11:32 am Agree: 0   Disagree: 0

    "It is an affront to human intellect , that society gives the content of religion a free pass from scrutiny and criticism."
    This is laughable. Society in no way gives religion a free pass. Have you watched the mainstream media lately?

    "The Creation museum must appear to those who accept the overwhelming evidence for evolution ; even those who believe in a deity ; as humorous to say the least."

    In your opinion, you may be right; however, you are wrong about the overwhelming evidence for evolution. If there truly was overwhelming evidence and not overwhelming perspective then there would be no problem.

    "It sounds very much like a simple violation of free speech directed against the dissenter."

    It is a privatly owned business with policies that one has to adhere to when they pay to enter. If it were public, you may have a point, but it is not.

    "Additionally , it is nothing less than appalling , that 44% of Americans accept the literal version of creation, and reject science."

    What you find appalling, I find wonderful. Although evolution has been taught as fact for decades, people are still smart enough to see its great flaws and decide against it.

  • Thu Sep 24, 2009 11:24 am Agree: 0   Disagree: 0

    "It is almost unbeleievable that a family touring the museum and hearing comments of dissent , claimed their vacation was ruined. Not terribly secure in their beliefs , I'd say."

    I would imagine that it has nothing to do with being secure in their beliefs, but more of being disrespected by a few. Tolerance is preached among evolutionists, but it is a double standard to them when they are the ones who need to be tolerant. People travel and pay to enjoy a visit. They may have had small children whom they are teaching to revere God and His Word. That is their right, and they deserve to have that right without scoffing and ridiculing.

  • Thu Sep 17, 2009 2:37 pm Agree: 1   Disagree: 0

    It is almost unbeleievable that a family touring the museum and hearing comments of dissent , claimed their vacation was ruined. Not terribly secure in their beliefs , I'd say. It makes one wonder how many people are still in intensive therapy following the exposure to Janet Jackson's ....mammary gland.

  • Tue Aug 18, 2009 5:43 am Agree: 5   Disagree: 0

    It is an affront to human intellect , that society gives the content of religion a free pass from scrutiny and criticism. The Creation museum must appear to those who accept the overwhelming evidence for evolution ; even those who believe in a deity ; as humorous to say the least. This is a museum of sorts , not a sacred shrine.It sounds very much like a simple violation of free speech directed against the dissenter. Additionally , it is nothing less than appalling , that 44% of Americans accept the literal version of creation, and reject science.

  • Mon Aug 17, 2009 11:07 am Agree: 8   Disagree: 3

    Darwin was an amazing man, extremely intelligent and thankfully very curious about nature. I personally see more validity in the ideas of Darwin, more proof offered towards its validity, than creationism.

  • Thu Aug 13, 2009 4:30 pm Agree: 7   Disagree: 0

    Flagged as inappropriate. show *Face-palm.* Shadow, first of all, Darwin was not a lawyer. Is that a joke, or are you really that misinformed? It has plenty of "theorems," such as that natural selection and genetic drift cause change in taxa over time. And I'm not sure what you're talking about with "laws" there (your obsession with this legal stuff, saying Darwin was a lawyer and all, is a bit confusing); there are no "laws" at work in the statement "Paris is the capital of France." Doesn't mean it's false. Seriously, get your head in the game here. hide

  • Wed Aug 12, 2009 9:22 pm Agree: 4   Disagree: 2

    ShadowOfParagon wrote "Evolution is not science, never was. It was theorized by Darwin, a lawyer"

    Darwin was not a lawyer. In fact, he first studied medicine, and then studied to be a member of the clergy. In addition to evolution, he also wrote books on coral atolls, earthworms, movement in plants, and orchid pollination. One of his early major works was on the classification of barnacles.

    You can find Darwin's books online at gutenberg.org and other sites. 'The Voyage of the Beagle' is a good place to start - it's like going in the field with Darwin and getting to see how he thinks. He was observant, curious, and a good writer.

    Evolution is, of course, a science. Baseless assertions that it isn't don't merit a response.

  • Wed Aug 12, 2009 6:29 pm Agree: 7   Disagree: 2

    Flagged as inappropriate. show song2vs4: "I think it's evident that the only reason for their visit was to disrupt the museum". Either the SSA members were so incompetent that they couldn't manage to disrupt the museum, or the statement above represents pure fantasy completely unsupported by reality. But why interpret what I wrote as inerrant? Why not read what SSA itself had to say about the purpose of the visit? http://www.secularstudents.org/node/2634 Quote: "The Secular Student Alliance sees the trip as an opportunity to learn first-hand what biblical creationists are teaching". Quote: "Although the group of nonbelievers at the Museum will be large in number, their intent is not to cause a disturbance or disrupt the museum's usual operation". Got any other ideas about atheists which need debunking? hide

  • Wed Aug 12, 2009 4:42 pm Agree: 4   Disagree: 4

    Flagged as inappropriate. show To Homoousia316, Evolution is not science, never was. It was theorized by Darwin, a lawyer, and promoted by liars like Ernst Haeckel. It has no theorems, no laws, nothing. It is simply an ideology. You should need no further proof than the latest "Ida" hysteria, "pig-man", or really any other "supposed" missing-link hysteria to see the truth. hide

  • Wed Aug 12, 2009 12:05 pm Agree: 5   Disagree: 0

    Steve,
    You saw that too, eh? Oh well. Say, how did Chelsea come out against ManU? I only saw the beginning.

    Cheisa,
    "If humans lived with dinosaurs, why are all cave paintings of mammal like creatures? I would think a 100 ton, 40 foot tall monster would leave a bigger impression than a buffalo, but that's what you see in promitive cave paintings. No dinosaurs."

    Actually, that's not true. Were I at home, I could direct you to several web sites showing dino art on caves (apatosaurus), Roman mosaics (tanystropheus); etc. My favorite is at a temple (ca. 1200 AD) in Cambodia: with many common jungle animals is a near perfect stegosaurus - the dorsal plates are perfectly depicted. Of course, now someone will claim these are all mythological creatures....

    "And which of the humans were created as is, all at one time, neanderthal, cro-magnon, homo sapiens? Too many fossils of our ancestors exist to explain them away, but I guess you don't have to when you own the 'museum.'"

    Don't you see differences among humans today: width of face; prominent brow ridge; height; etc? Just as some animals have become extinct, could they not have all been created at once, but only sapiens survived?

  • Wed Aug 12, 2009 10:44 am Agree: 4   Disagree: 1

    Whenever I have observed evolutionist and creationist in debate the same thing happens with the exception that instead of just ridicule they also lower themselves to personal attacks and name calling. Real intelligent and mature.

    Song, in the light of what the first sentance is about re name calling, the second sentance is wonderfully ironic. Hoisted on your own pertard, maybe?

  • Wed Aug 12, 2009 10:26 am Agree: 3   Disagree: 3

    I think it's evident that the only reason for their visit was to disrupt the museum. It's very typical and predictable behavior on their part. Whenever I have observed evolutionist and creationist in debate the same thing happens with the exception that instead of just ridicule they also lower themselves to personal attacks and name calling. Real intelligent and mature.

  • Wed Aug 12, 2009 8:21 am Agree: 5   Disagree: 6

    We took our 7 year old granddaughter to the museum in July and it was wonderful. I've never seen anything like it. The staff was very friendly and we really had fun. The displays made you feel that you were part of something very special. We need more places like this where we can show our children about the Bible as well as tell them. We drove over 300 miles to be a part of it and we had a great time. I say God Bless Them for standing up to the devil!

  • Wed Aug 12, 2009 8:12 am Agree: 2   Disagree: 3

    Flagged as inappropriate. show Does the "museum" have a Ptolemaic display of the universe? I suspect it would, consistent with a Young Earth model. hide

  • Tue Aug 11, 2009 11:26 pm Agree: 5   Disagree: 7

    Flagged as inappropriate. show Cheisa, you're thinking way too hard on this one. These are people who think that the universe was created 2,000 years after the dog was domesticated. These are people who think that the entire world was cleansed of life 4,000 years ago in a giant flood despite the complete continuity of the fossil record through that time period. These are people who think that Dino and Bam-Bam REALLY played together in the past. hide

  • Tue Aug 11, 2009 2:24 pm Agree: 14   Disagree: 10

    If only the "museum" directors took science half as seriously as they do the Bible. No wonder people laughed when they saw an exhibit of human beings next to dinosaurs. That used to only happen in movies.

    If humans lived with dinosaurs, why are all cave paintings of mammal like creatures? I would think a 100 ton, 40 foot tall monster would leave a bigger impression than a buffalo, but that's what you see in promitive cave paintings. No dinosaurs.

    And which of the humans were created as is, all at one time, neanderthal, cro-magnon, homo sapiens? Too many fossils of our ancestors exist to explain them away, but I guess you don't have to when you own the "museum."

  • Tue Aug 11, 2009 1:18 pm Agree: 2   Disagree: 2

    Flagged as inappropriate. show obiwan: Like them or not, they take the Bible *seriously* and any Christians reading this story should respect that. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/No_true_Scotsman hide

  • Tue Aug 11, 2009 12:38 pm Agree: 5   Disagree: 1

    Rev -

    Everyone should also read the account given at the AiG website: http://blogs.answersingenesis.org/aroundtheworld/2009/08/08/the-day-285-atheistsagnostics-visited-the-creation-museum/

    The Museum staff had been reading on Myers' blog and others what they were planning to do during their visit, and understandably took precautions to prevent any disruptions. Like them or not, they take the Bible *seriously* and any Christians reading this story should respect that.

  • Tue Aug 11, 2009 2:34 am Agree: 2   Disagree: 2

    Being in the UK I can't get to this "museum" ,when I go to London for the day all I can to is go to the Natural History/ Science/ Geological/British/ museums.....Oh well I'll just have to put up with them I suppose.

  • Mon Aug 10, 2009 10:39 pm Agree: 4   Disagree: 3

    Flagged as inappropriate. show Homoousia316 Q: I wonder what the "Expelled" crowd has to say about this. A: We're victims. Myers' account of the visit is here: http://scienceblogs.com/pharyngula/2009/08/the_creation_museum_1.php hide

  • Mon Aug 10, 2009 10:30 pm Agree: 11   Disagree: 12

    Flagged as inappropriate. show Real museums do not expel people for wearing clothes that disagree with the content of those museums. If someone wore a "Evolution is a Lie" t-shirt into the Smithsonian, nobody would kick them out or ask them to leave or turn it inside out or whatever. If someone was loudly chattering about how God hates evolution in a natural science museum, nobody would kick them out. Ken Ham's sideshow is not a museum, it is not about science, it is not about learning or exploration, it is about smacking people in the face with the doctrines of an extreme conservative view. I wonder what the "Expelled" crowd has to say about this. hide

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