Updated 08:19 pm.EST, Fri November 20, 2009

Society|Fri, Nov. 13 2009 05:25 PM EDT

Gay Marriage Supporters Threaten to Strip Churches of Tax Exemption

By Nathan Black|Christian Post Reporter

More than 75,000 Americans have joined an online movement seeking the revocation of tax-exempt status from churches that were involved in the repeal of Maine's gay marriage law.

"It's no secret that the Catholic Diocese led the 'Yes on 1' effort in Maine, among many other churches encouraging their congregations to vote 'Yes,' handing out signature forms and collection plates during service, and constantly asking for 'sacrificial contributions' from churchgoers," Maine Marriage Equality charges.

"The IRS clearly forbids churches from participating in political campaigns in any form," the group asserts.

Maine Marriage Equality is urging supporters and gay rights advocates to file an IRS complaint against churches that were a part of the effort in passing the ballot measure, Question One, which rejected the state's same-sex marriage law.

The state law legalizing marriage for gay and lesbian couples was passed by the Legislature and signed by Gov. John Baldacci in May.

The law was repealed last week when 53 percent of voters chose to repeal the law.

Maine Marriage Equality has made available a list of churches and organizations that campaigned for Question One as well as a list of major financial contributors.

"If churches are going to try and have a say in the way things work in this country, then they should have to pay their dues like the rest of us," Mitchell David Plumer from Nashville, Tenn., wrote on the Facebook page supporting the revocation of tax-exempt status from churches engaging in political action.

Attorneys with the Alliance Defense Fund, however, reject the claim that churches violated IRS policy.

"Pastors and churches have a right to speak about biblical truths from the pulpit without fear of punishment," said ADF Senior Legal Counsel Erik Stanley. "They can encourage their congregations to take a stand for marriage and can directly support legislative issues like Question 1 without running afoul of IRS rules.

"The complaints are designed to threaten the tax-exempt status of the churches, even though such support is almost always allowable by the IRS."

Stanley encourages churches in Maine not to be intimidated by the complaints and says ADF will offer free legal support to churches that do get contacted by the IRS.

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  • Fri Nov 20, 2009 8:24 pm Agree: 0   Disagree: 0

    "You can understand why it's laughable to me when someone says I don't know God or my physical love with my husband is somehow wrong-it's quite absurd"

    Pro 14:12 There is a way {which seems} right to a man, But its end is the way of death.

  • Fri Nov 20, 2009 8:22 pm Agree: 0   Disagree: 0

    Thanks Norman. I never saw that movie. In fact, I'm not really into horror flicks....

  • Fri Nov 20, 2009 7:40 pm Agree: 0   Disagree: 0

    DP, Mickey was quoting the movie CARRIE

    GREAT flick-my fave horor movie!!

  • Fri Nov 20, 2009 7:39 pm Agree: 0   Disagree: 0

    Thanks believer-
    I think I found God back in college actually, but REALLY came to know Him through true love with my partner
    It's great to have such a personal relationship with God
    Life is fantastic-I have amazing relationships with my friends and family. I am truly at peace-somehting I looked for all my life until I came out.

    You can understand why it's laughable to me when someone says I don't know God or my physical love with my husband is somehow wrong-it's quite absurd

  • Fri Nov 20, 2009 6:30 pm Agree: 0   Disagree: 0

    "And the first sin was intercourse"

    Actually, there is no discussion of their sex life outside of when she got pregnant.

  • Fri Nov 20, 2009 6:25 pm Agree: 0   Disagree: 0

    "Texas gay marriage ban may have banned all marriages"

    I've seen this lawyers logic before. It went like this: 'that depends on what your definition of "is" is....'

  • Fri Nov 20, 2009 5:30 pm Agree: 1   Disagree: 1

    norman, thanks for sharing your testimony. I too was raised roman catholic and did all of the things you did as well, but I never learned until I was 19 and in the Air Force that God wanted to have a personal relationship with me and I could have one with Him if I would admit that I was a sinner, no problem there, and repent of my sin and turn to God by putting my complete faith/trust in the person and finished work of Christ alone and I did that on the night of May 24th, 1971 and that was the moment I became a Christian.

  • Fri Nov 20, 2009 5:28 pm Agree: 2   Disagree: 1

    "LOL.

    Texas gay marriage ban may have banned all marriages

    http://www.mcclatchydc.com/homepage/story/79112.html"

    Thus proving just how stupid the bigots truly are. LOL

  • Fri Nov 20, 2009 4:59 pm Agree: 1   Disagree: 2

    quote the Raven never more ....

    Sorry, never saw Adams Rib.... Was it a good movie?

  • Fri Nov 20, 2009 4:47 pm Agree: 1   Disagree: 2

    LOL.

    Texas gay marriage ban may have banned all marriages

    http://www.mcclatchydc.com/homepage/story/79112.html

  • Fri Nov 20, 2009 4:45 pm Agree: 2   Disagree: 3

    "God HATES sin so yes we promote hatred. We hate what God hates. Don't you?"

    And God made Eve from the rib of Adam. And Eve was weak and loosed the raven on the world. And the raven was called sin. Say it, the raven was called sin.

  • Fri Nov 20, 2009 4:43 pm Agree: 1   Disagree: 3

    "The enemy of my enemy is my friend, Grasshopper."

    Arab meets China....

  • Fri Nov 20, 2009 4:42 pm Agree: 1   Disagree: 2

    "If there's ANYTHING Catholics and evangelicals can agree on, it's that promoting hatred is more important to them than anything else."

    God HATES sin so yes we promote hatred. We hate what God hates. Don't you?

  • Fri Nov 20, 2009 4:21 pm Agree: 3   Disagree: 2

    Quit using the Christian Post like a sleazy gay bar.
    You have heard the Gospel too many times and are
    responsible for all you have heard and read.
    God will not be mocked, and when you face Him
    you will be alone, He sees every thought and action
    and your words will be used against you, if they
    are not covered by the Blood of Jesus Christ.

  • Fri Nov 20, 2009 4:17 pm Agree: 2   Disagree: 2

    22I did not see a temple in the city, because the Lord God Almighty and the Lamb are its temple. 23The city does not need the sun or the moon to shine on it, for the glory of God gives it light, and the Lamb is its lamp. 24The nations will walk by its light, and the kings of the earth will bring their splendor into it. 25On no day will its gates ever be shut, for there will be no night there. 26The glory and honor of the nations will be brought into it. 27Nothing impure will ever enter it, nor will anyone who does what is shameful or deceitful, but only those whose names are written in the Lamb's book of life.

  • Fri Nov 20, 2009 3:23 pm Agree: 2   Disagree: 3

    "If there's ANYTHING Catholics and evangelicals can agree on, it's that promoting hatred is more important to them than anything else."

    The enemy of my enemy is my friend, Grasshopper.

  • Fri Nov 20, 2009 3:22 pm Agree: 1   Disagree: 2

    "there were other things too."

    LOL, true - they aren't that crazy about women either! :D :D

  • Fri Nov 20, 2009 3:21 pm Agree: 1   Disagree: 3

    IHS wrote: "THE MANHATTAN DECLARATION JUST CAME OUT!"

    JehovahNasty wrote: "PUT HOMOSEXUALS TO THE SWORD"

    When people abuse the Bible to call for taking legal and civil rights away from gay people, as in IHS's case, or for outright murder of gay people, as in JN's case, they need to be reminded that the Bible itself suggests that Jesus was gay.

  • Fri Nov 20, 2009 3:21 pm Agree: 2   Disagree: 2

    "Catholics and evangelicals agree that they can ALL hate queers."

    Well that may have been in the first paragraph, but there were other things too.

  • Fri Nov 20, 2009 3:15 pm Agree: 2   Disagree: 2

    If there's ANYTHING Catholics and evangelicals can agree on, it's that promoting hatred is more important to them than anything else.

    :D :D :D

  • Fri Nov 20, 2009 3:14 pm Agree: 2   Disagree: 1

    "THE MANHATTAN DECLARATION JUST CAME OUT!"

    LOL.

    Catholics and evangelicals agree that they can ALL hate queers.

  • Fri Nov 20, 2009 3:09 pm Agree: 2   Disagree: 2

    "THE MANHATTAN DECLARATION JUST CAME OUT! Catholics, Orthodox and Evangelicals sign AGREEMENT!!!"

    PAR-TY, PAR-TY, PAR-TY

  • IHS »
    Fri Nov 20, 2009 2:58 pm Agree: 0   Disagree: 1

    http://www.firstthings.com/onthesquare/2009/11/manhattan-declaration58-a-call-of-christian-conscience

    THE MANHATTAN DECLARATION JUST CAME OUT! Catholics, Orthodox and Evangelicals sign AGREEMENT!!!

  • Fri Nov 20, 2009 2:12 pm Agree: 1   Disagree: 2

    "Some one flagged MickeyC MickeyC »Fri Nov 20, 2009 11:26 am?

    I guess we better just leaf it alone...."

    Someone needs to turn over a new leaf and stop needling me.

  • Fri Nov 20, 2009 2:11 pm Agree: 1   Disagree: 2

    "You may be barking up the wrong tree. Still, this time of year seems to bring out colorful dialog...."

    I'm afraid you can't see the forest for the trees. Not that I am trying to needle you and I certainly don't want to get your fir up, but I think you need to branch out in your thinking.

  • Fri Nov 20, 2009 2:02 pm Agree: 1   Disagree: 2

    "You would need the wood, wouldn't you? Are you trying to start a splinter conversation? I''m always pining for a good conversation...."

    But then we were talking about your wood, not mine. I suggest you spruce up your conversation, or people will wonder about your palms.

  • Fri Nov 20, 2009 2:01 pm Agree: 2   Disagree: 2

    Rules of the Internets clearly state that since I am the first to say "no u" in this argument then I win!

  • Fri Nov 20, 2009 1:57 pm Agree: 2   Disagree: 2

    Jar wrote: "You have replaced the truth for a lie...."

    No, you have!

    http://images.encyclopediadramatica.com/images/8/87/Giraffe_nou.jpg

  • Fri Nov 20, 2009 1:33 pm Agree: 0   Disagree: 1

    Some one flagged MickeyC MickeyC »Fri Nov 20, 2009 11:26 am?

    I guess we better just leaf it alone....

  • Fri Nov 20, 2009 1:32 pm Agree: 1   Disagree: 1

    "LOL, as if. :D"

    Thanks for proving my point, HM. I knew you wouldn't let me down....

  • Fri Nov 20, 2009 12:47 pm Agree: 2   Disagree: 3

    Jar-you're wrong and you're a liar
    Slacker-God is in my heart-those are the rules He told me. I know it's "shocking" that God isn't found in a book-I think the fact that people believe the Bible is word for word the word of God is absurd-it takes a great deal of faith in mankind - religious leaders-to believe they did not taint the Bible when they wrote and rewrote and edited it...
    How do you know the 10,000 rules in the bible are from God? Please answer this...

  • Fri Nov 20, 2009 11:46 am Agree: 2   Disagree: 3

    Mickey wrote: "Since I've returned I was very pleased and surprised at all the new people who have come here to spread love instead of hate."

    Agreed! I'm glad there are a few of us. :-)

  • Fri Nov 20, 2009 11:29 am Agree: 2   Disagree: 4

    "You forgot "na, nana, na, na....""

    NO, that's what believer does. LOL

  • Fri Nov 20, 2009 11:27 am Agree: 2   Disagree: 3

    "Jar, I thought you quit this site yesterday?"

    He seems to claim that on every board when he gets trounced.

  • Fri Nov 20, 2009 10:54 am Agree: 1   Disagree: 1

    "DP-I am not a christian-tried it for 17 years before I saw the truth

    I believe Jesus was a great teacher, but not divine-that story was made up

    I believe in God-a God of love who cares only about the two rules-love God and love thy neighbor

    That's it-the REAL God keeps it pretty simple..."

    Norman, With all due Respect that makes no sense, How do you know that there are only 2 rules that God Lays down???

  • Fri Nov 20, 2009 10:30 am Agree: 2   Disagree: 3

    Jar1961 wrote: "I am so sick of the fakkots here.. Okay here we go again sleazeball... dont you ever try to challange me on SCripture you will lose everytime... When you going to stop trying to get one over.... I spent 6 yrs at seminary jackass...."

    DP wrote: "HM--you have been far worse than Jar. You've been far worse to me"

    LOL, as if. :D

    You constantly play the victim when in fact you are attacking other people.

    When I have pointed out problems on occasion, I have made direct true statements, not personal attacks.

    I have not threatened you, or called you a sleazeball, a fakkot, and a jackass. I have stated specifically what you did, with the time stamp, so anyone who liked could check it for themselves.

    Everybody have a great day!

    :-)

  • Fri Nov 20, 2009 8:48 am Agree: 1   Disagree: 4

    Jar, I thought you quit this site yesterday?

  • Fri Nov 20, 2009 6:17 am Agree: 3   Disagree: 3

    We only find the love of God for GOd first seeks us.Without God first seeking us we will find HIm or desire to seek HIm. What you have found is a counterfeit form of love.. and I would say that to heterosexual as well. We find love when we find GOd... we dont find GOd when we find human love....

    You have replaced the truth for a lie....

  • Thu Nov 19, 2009 10:48 pm Agree: 3   Disagree: 8

    Flagged as inappropriate. show believer-I was born and raised catholi-baptized, first communion, confirmation-church every sunday and ccd every saturday I alwasy knew something was wrong with the religion when i went to college, i started researching all religions-searching for one that made sense i saw human error in all of them I knew-suspected i was gay in my teens, but probably more "bi" than most guys. I married just before i turned 30. I loved her, but knew something was wrong I tried to be straight, but i knew i wasn't being true to myself. I came out 8 years ago and found true love 5 years ago. I knew God meant for me to be gay when i found love with a man I found God when I found love hide

  • Thu Nov 19, 2009 9:29 pm Agree: 2   Disagree: 3

    mike85, sorry to see you go and although we've butted heads we've also had some very meaningful discussions as well. Praying you'll continue to do well as you teach your students!

  • Thu Nov 19, 2009 9:28 pm Agree: 3   Disagree: 1

    norman, would you be willing to share how you became a Christian and how you stopped being a Christian and what led you to both of those decisions, thanks?

  • Thu Nov 19, 2009 9:23 pm Agree: 3   Disagree: 1

    real mickey, since I've never been in the closet, I guess you must be speaking from personal experience!!

  • Thu Nov 19, 2009 8:28 pm Agree: 2   Disagree: 1

    "I believe Jesus was a great teacher, but not divine-that story was made up"

    I take it then you have never read Evidence That Demands a Verdict or More Than a Carpenter by Josh McDowell. He was an athiest at Berkley in the 60's. Enough said? He's quite the youth evangelist now....

  • Thu Nov 19, 2009 8:06 pm Agree: 3   Disagree: 1

    " believe in God-a God of love who cares only about the two rules-love God and love thy neighbor"

    From the sound of the rest of your post you were invovled with "churchianity" instead of Christianity. I also hold to these two over all else. What does it mean to love God? Your terms or His?

  • Thu Nov 19, 2009 7:38 pm Agree: 3   Disagree: 3

    DP-I am not a christian-tried it for 17 years before I saw the truth

    I believe Jesus was a great teacher, but not divine-that story was made up

    I believe in God-a God of love who cares only about the two rules-love God and love thy neighbor

    That's it-the REAL God keeps it pretty simple...

  • Thu Nov 19, 2009 7:33 pm Agree: 1   Disagree: 1

    HM--you have been far worse than Jar. Atleast he isn't smug about it. You've been far worse to me and others and then play the victim as I'm sure you will in responding to this post. It's simply something we have come to expect from you. You have it down to a science. You are not here to discuss but rather just to stir the pot.

    I don't think Jar was right for what he posted but atleast he's man enough to own up to what he did and appologize. All you want to do is play the victim.

  • Thu Nov 19, 2009 7:09 pm Agree: 2   Disagree: 2

    Jar1961 wrote: "I am so sick of the fakkots here.. Okay here we go again sleazeball... dont you ever try to challange me on SCripture you will lose everytime... When you going to stop trying to get one over.... I spent 6 yrs at seminary jackass...."

  • Thu Nov 19, 2009 7:03 pm Agree: 2   Disagree: 2

    HM--"You have repeatedly called me a liar over this. That makes *you* a liar."

    You forgot "na, nana, na, na...."

  • Thu Nov 19, 2009 6:45 pm Agree: 2   Disagree: 4

    Thanks Mike for standing up for what is right time and again.

    Take care and come back if and when it's right for you. :-)

  • Thu Nov 19, 2009 6:26 pm Agree: 1   Disagree: 1

    "But then we were talking about your wood, not mine. I suggest you spruce up your conversation, or people will wonder about your palms."

    You may be barking up the wrong tree. Still, this time of year seems to bring out colorful dialog....

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