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NBC Show Criticized for Portraying Christians as Violent 'Bible Thumpers'

By Katherine T. Phan|Christian Post Reporter

A recent “Law & Order” show portraying a leader in a college Christian ministry as anti-homosexual and Christians as "Bible thumpers" is drawing ire from a watchdog group for anti-Christian bigotry.

In the opening of the NBC show's episode last week, a leader in a college Christian ministry, who opposed homosexuality, was portrayed as being guilty of making death threats against a professor studying the "gay gene." The lead detective also refers to Christians as "Bible thumpers."

There is a relentless attempt by the media to stereotype Christians as prone to violence, said Dr. Gary Cass, chairman and CEO of the Christian Anti-Defamation Commission, as he criticized the producers as insensitive.

"There's a tendency on the side of the media to make what I call a 'moral equivalency': If you are a fundamentalist Muslim, you are violent. If you are a fundamentalist Christian, you are violent," he told The Christian Post.

Contrary to the media's portrayal, Christians are often the victims of violence and not the perpetrators, said Cass. He noted that there are rare reports from around the world of Christians murdering a Muslim or a Hindu but frequent news on Hindus murdering Christians.

He added that it is negative portrayals of Christians like that featured in “Law & Order” which are used to "legitimate violence against Christians."

The Christian leader was also stereotyped as being anti-homosexual, which reflects a common perception among young adults, according to a recent study.

A Barna Group survey last September reported that the most common perception among people between 16-29 years old is that present-day Christianity is "anti-homosexual." Around 91 percent of young non-Christians and 80 percent of young churchgoers say this phrase describes Christianity. A majority from both categories also believe that Christians show excessive contempt and unloving attitudes towards gays and lesbians.

Fundamentalist Christians aside, Christians often distinguish the difference between homosexuality as a sin denounced by the Bible and homosexuals as people who should be treated with the love of God.

When asked whether real situations in which Christians exhibit hostility toward homosexuals are possibly reflected in the show, Cass said such instances are "very exceptional."

"Every once in a while, some nutjob Christians will do something stupid," acknowledged the CADC head.

He emphasized that acts of violence against homosexuals or any other groups are "always condemned by Christians.”

“Christians don't condone violence,” he noted.

Also denouncing the media's use of "Bible thumpers," Cass said the label is an attempt to depict people who take the Bible seriously as ignorant.

Cass further noted that the show's coverage on the "gay gene" was misleading because the idea was portrayed as a fact.

"There is no such thing as a gay gene," he said.

He urged Christians to contact NBC and the show's executive producer, Dick Wolf, and tell them to stop bashing Christians.

They should do the show in a way "that is accurate," making it clear that the character's violent act is not representative of Christians, said Cass.

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  • Thu Jan 15, 2009 1:32 pm Agree: 1   Disagree: 3

    Flagged as inappropriate. show As a Christian, I do not watch any of those type shows, so you perverts can say anything you want. It means nothing to the decent Christians of the world. hide

  • Sat Mar 01, 2008 10:01 pm Agree: 0   Disagree: 0

    Wait a tick- Putting more emphasis on Jesus than Paul makes us heretics? Since when? What did I miss? I was taught those Red Letters trump everything, for if Jesus is God, then everything He says takes precedence over everything else.

  • Mon Feb 04, 2008 2:22 am Agree: 0   Disagree: 0

    Is Jesus God or the Son of God?

    Watch the following and you will not regret.

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vXjBnqZ2Ei8

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ethvPufd4jA&feature=related

  • Mon Jan 21, 2008 11:18 pm Agree: 0   Disagree: 0

    star2: Christ does not say, "Believe in me and be saved" ?

    John 3:18Whoever believes in him is not condemned,
    Mark 16:16Whoever believes and is baptized will be saved,

    Jesus preached "Repent, for the kingdom of heaven is near." That is what we should do. We should repent because the kingdom of heaven is near. But the salvation happens only by Faith which is given, not taken through one's act.

    It is core fundamental belief that Christians are saved only by Faith, not by one's doing which repentance is. But Chris333 said, it is NOT by FAITH alone but only FAITH+REPENTANCE.

    I can't possible repent my way into heaven. Catholics can? I am too much of a sinner unlike some of you. Only through Faith and Grace of God. I don't repent? No. Repentance is a necessity. Without repentance, I will not be acknowledging his Lordship and Savior. But that don't save me. Only my Faith.

  • Mon Jan 21, 2008 9:21 pm Agree: 0   Disagree: 0

    jonathanjkim

    Re:Chris333:Christ does not say, "Believe in me and be saved" He says, "Believe in me and repent".

    He does? Who taught you that?

    The word of God teaches us that.

    "Now after that John was put in the wilderness forty days, Jesus came into Galilee, preaching the gospel of the kingdom of God, and saying, 'The time is fulfilled, and the kingdom of God is at hand: repent ye, and believe the gospel.'" (Mark 1:14-15)

  • Mon Jan 21, 2008 9:01 pm Agree: 2   Disagree: 2

    Flagged as inappropriate. show Tonyo Re: It is your religion; keep it in your church and your home, but out of the public square. Your homosexuality belongs to you. Keep it in your home and out of the public square. hide

  • Mon Jan 21, 2008 8:21 pm Agree: 1   Disagree: 1

    (Matthew 3)John the Baptist said that the ax is already at the root of the trees, and every tree that does not produce good fruit will be cut down and thrown into the fire. (Jesus Figtree) Bearing fruit is important but question is what FRUIT. (Gal 5) Paul added that fruit of the spirit is LOVE, JOY, PEACE, KINDNESS, GOODNESS, FAITHFULNESS, GENTLENESS, and SELF-CONTROL. Your Bush administration showed NOT ONE of this virtue. You joined Bush and stand in line with him for HATE, DESPAIR, WAR, INCONSIDERATENESS, CONTEMPT, BETRAYAL, ABRASIVENESS, AND SELF-INDULGENCE. Join Politic and you join the devil, includes all Politics. WHY! WHY! Why condemn yourself to evil. Jesus is about YOUR FRUIT, self perservarence, suffering, there is no easy way out which is what you are seeking. Don't volunteer to join the devil and carry their cross.

    I will love to call you "brother". I used to use that word casually. There are so few Jesus-like brothers. Hope you find your soul, keep your heart pure and let no devil steer you from heart of Jesus. Especially be wary of those teachers that sent you close to Politic. You don't deserve their cross.

  • Mon Jan 21, 2008 7:38 pm Agree: 0   Disagree: 1

    Chris333:Christ does not say, "Believe in me and be saved" He says, "Believe in me and repent".

    He does? Who taught you that? John 3:16 is lie? Self-righteous bigotry is making you blind. There is only one teacher, Jesus. Don't let your brothers influence you to believe them over Jesus. Read bible..

    BTW, if you ask me, what Jesus said is more important than what brother Paul said. This statement makes me a heretic in modern Christian world. You figure out why.

    For God so loved the world..
    For God did not send his Son into the world to condemn the world,
    Whoever believes in him is not condemned, but whoever does not believe stands condemned already

    these are words that Jesus used to teach Nicodemus the teacher of teachers in Judea.
    It still stands true to the word and should still teach those who call themselves teachers.

  • Mon Jan 21, 2008 1:05 am Agree: 1   Disagree: 0

    well johnathon, I would say that morality was not the main purpose of Christ's coming to earth, you are right in saying that He came to save us. But, morality is tied in that and is a natural outworking of that. No you cannot be a Christian and knowingly stay in sin, without even the thought of changing. Christ does not say, "Believe in me and be saved" He says, "Believe in me and repent" He always tells sinners to "sin no more". So for the Christian the resurrection is central to our lives, but once we have accepted that sacrifice we must strive to be like Christ. To be a follower of Christ means more than just saying "I am a Christian" it means being a Christian. Also, Paul wrote to most of the Churches concerning issues of morality and false beliefs. The Christian life goes hand in hand with morality. No we shouldn't tell atheists how they should live, but we should hold our own standards within the Church, and if we have the ability to affect government in a way that will support what we believe, then there is no reason why we shouldn't.

  • Sun Jan 20, 2008 6:26 pm Agree: 1   Disagree: 3

    maranatha7593: I don't know you and I don't like being associate in your claim. You don't have a clue what I said. I am trying to point out that Jesus was just busy working on Salvation issue, not morality. I guess u and others are smarter than Jesus and way past the salvation issues to talk about morality. Be the judge and spread your morality to others. Even God couldn't control morality on his best and brightest. But I am sure you can legislate and impose your morality to others no problem like most "so-called" Christian leaders think they can. I worry about your salvation your morality you deal with God direct.

  • Sun Jan 20, 2008 12:18 am Agree: 3   Disagree: 0

    I seem to agree with the previous post. Christians do act like that, actually quite a bit and if its a problem than fix it. If not then leave it..

  • Sat Jan 19, 2008 6:39 pm Agree: 6   Disagree: 1

    Flagged as inappropriate. show If Christians would stop acting the way they are being portrayed, that would resolve the issue. You want to cry "persecution", but you don't see atheists in screaming and violent protests or committing acts of violence as extreme Christians do. If you can't clean up your own house, don't complain about the neighbor's porch. hide

  • Sat Jan 19, 2008 2:57 pm Agree: 1   Disagree: 3

    jonathanjkim, you are right. ANY kind of immorality - ANY unforgiven sin, for that matter - will keep people out of Heaven. Homosexuality is just one form of immorality which is running rampant in our world. One huge problem today is that so many people try to justify immorality, try to twist scripture to say it's all right - but all forms of immorality are in fact condemned in both the Old and New Testaments.

    As you said, the bottom line is to know the Lord, be born again of His Spirit, to walk with Him, to learn of Him, to fellowship with Him daily. The Bible says, "If any man be in Christ, he is a new creature: behold, old things are passed way, and all things are become new."

    Jesus went about doing good, healing all who were afflicted of the devil, and He is still doing so today. Whosoever will may come to Him.

  • Sat Jan 19, 2008 2:52 pm Agree: 0   Disagree: 2

    People need to understand that the Bible reports things which it does not condone.

  • Sat Jan 19, 2008 12:30 am Agree: 3   Disagree: 4

    thelordismylight: Homosexual is defined by their sexual act. It is playing of rhetoric, not fact, to claim Homosexuality is about temptation. Brotherly love is one fine thing. Homosexuality is one that involves the act. HOMO - SEX is sin. If you don't believe that, we definitely believe different God.

    But having said that, my Jesus will sit with them, not to convert them to Heterosexual but to give them living water which they need a lot more than sexual act. Do other reader actually believe Jesus will sit with them and ask them why do you sleep with Jack when you can sleep with Jane? I absolutely believe not. He will say, come let me give you living water and show you the heaven where your father waits. We will walk together and I will teach you and nurture you. JOIN ME(even as a Homo). Homo(Sinner) can't get in heaven? Some sins can't be forgiven it says in bible but I absolutely believe Jesus can. If he can't I am doomed. hehe.

  • NOTW »
    Fri Jan 18, 2008 4:49 pm Agree: 4   Disagree: 4

    The Christian is a sacrificial servant of the Lord Jesus Christ, and does not seek to dominate in this corrupt and fallen world. We walk as He walked, and our blessings are not of this world. His peace is available to all who seek Him in truth and spirit. We share the Gospel in love, which may not sound like love to a world in slavery to sin, so that God may be glorified. We do not judge those who turn away from the Truth in Christ , nor would we shed their blood, knowing they will face their Judge in His time.

  • Thu Jan 17, 2008 7:39 pm Agree: 2   Disagree: 6

    I am not sure why any homosexual was giving my second comment a thumbs down because i was really supporting you more than tearing you down, and I am not sure why a Christian would give it a thumbs down because all that I stated in it was fact... Temptation is not a sin. Homosexuality is temptation. That means it is not a sin. However, entering another man or sharing yourself with another woman IS a sin. That would be giving INTO temptation. And it seems that some cowards decided to give it a thumbs down without telling me why. Perhaps you did not have a reason?

  • Thu Jan 17, 2008 12:43 pm Agree: 6   Disagree: 7

    This episode, is not at all slandering fundamental christians who HAVE proven themselves to be quite barbaric and irrational. Especially southern fundamentalists. This is one reason why the government will trust the Catholic Church with land leases, stocks, and large loans and not protestant churches. Because, to a point, some of them are not acknowledged as civil religions. Isn't it strange that gov't. will give land to muslims and not you? No it is not, because muslims are alot more respectful than fundamentalist Christians. If anyone gives my comment a thumbs down (I am sure many of you will) please do not make it anonymous. Tell me anything I said that is completely, one-hundred percent wrong, and do not just give me a thumbs down because you are fundamentalist. I would like to know why.

  • Thu Jan 17, 2008 12:39 pm Agree: 1   Disagree: 8

    I am Catholic, and I denounce acting on homosexuality. ACTING ON IT! Homosexuality ITSELF, is merely temptation. And temptation is not a sin. Temtation isn't a sin, giving into it is.

  • Thu Jan 17, 2008 12:27 pm Agree: 5   Disagree: 9

    I agree, fundamentalist Christians ARE violent. Thus the KKK was born. *singing* ALLELUIA ALLELUIA, joy to the world, cut off their heads, lynch 'em 'til they're deeeeaaad let everyone prepare them room, and guns and knives and slings, and guns and knives and slings, oooohhhh guns guns knives and slings. bum bum bum bum bum bum duh duh bum bum bum buhduh duh.

    Joy to the world, the lord is good, we shall deny them food. Lock them in a cage, 'til they die of age. And brand them with hot irons and brand them with hot irons and brand them brand them with hot irons. buh buh...

    Alleluia alleluia alleluia alleluIIIIIAAAA!!!!

  • Wed Jan 16, 2008 3:21 pm Agree: 3   Disagree: 14

    As a Biblical Christian I denounce Homosexuality but respect the law which proptects them.

    As a Muslim, I denounce Homosexuality but respect the law which protects them.

    As a Jew, I denounce Homosexuality too, unfortunately I respect the law which protects them.

    Homosexuals would remain human but not of any religious denomination - please do not err my religion for the sake of your homosexual or lesbian behaviour. Keep it your personal use only.

  • Wed Jan 16, 2008 2:08 am Agree: 0   Disagree: 0

    There is no queston about it.
    This is clear enough evidence to me that at least three Christians are watching Law and Order.

    My wife and I watch it all the time. And, yes, we saw this episode as well.

    Christians should never be afraid to step up and get a little radical when it is called for.
    I said a little radical....

  • Tue Jan 15, 2008 7:25 pm Agree: 2   Disagree: 0

    citsonga: I absolutely agree with you on your statement. there are a lot of hypocrites. i believe very few will go to heaven unlike what most Christians believe. Their heart is with themselves and not with Jesus. All are too preoccupied with themselves looking good in the eyes of others using their own standards. They forgot who we serve, Jesus and do things that Jesus would never do.

  • Tue Jan 15, 2008 6:58 pm Agree: 2   Disagree: 5

    I think its safe to say that Christian Europeans that came to the new world essentiallysubjugated and exterminated the indigenous people of the Americas. The common view was that the "heathens" converted and accepted the "new way" or they would parish. I think we know how that turned out for the indigenous folks.

    On slavery, The Ten Commandments seem to say slavery is OK:

    10. "Neither shall you desire your neighbor's house, or field, or male or female slave, or ox, or donkey, or anything that belongs to your neighbor."

    Perhaps thats one of the passages Christians used to justify enslavement of Africans in the New World.

    It appears to say its OK to have slaves, just dont desire the ones that your neighbors have ..Go out and get your own.

  • jab »
    Tue Jan 15, 2008 5:35 pm Agree: 8   Disagree: 2

    That's the main problem I think. You see, religion can be left out of parts of your life, Christianity however is expressed in all aspects of your life. You love God and serve Him with you're whole being. That's the difference between a christian and a Christian. A Christian must act like Christ, who lived and taught in the public sphere or anywhere people would listen. Instead of you trying to tell me where my voice is welcome, perhaps you could only listen to those things that don't challenge you, correct you, or are not bigger than you and worth living and dying for? Don't be offended. You are not alone. The Bible says the cross is a "stumbling block and offense". So yes, I will speak up when-ever and where-ever I can. I will allow my faith to decide who I will vote for, how I will live, and how I will treat others. And I will stand firm and go to prison or die before I allow political correctness or anyone else to influence me more than the Christ I serve.

  • Tue Jan 15, 2008 5:29 pm Agree: 7   Disagree: 1

    TonyO - Sorry but we have no intention of keeping it in our home and church. Our Lord told us to go and preach to the whole world and that is what we are going to do.

    The fact that you think that all fundamentalists whether Christian, Muslim, etc are the same mean that you have simply not been informed of what is happening in the world. Daily all one has to do is look at the TV, Internet, newspapers, etc to see what Muslim fundamentalists are doing to innocent people around the world. To compare that with people preaching the gospel, and telling people what God says in the scripture is not responsible.

  • Tue Jan 15, 2008 11:10 am Agree: 9   Disagree: 19

    Christian (kris'tyan) n. One who has empowered him- or herself to mind your business for you.

  • Tue Jan 15, 2008 9:31 am Agree: 7   Disagree: 0

    The consitution tells me that I do not have to keep it out of the public square. In fact I have the right to voice it in the public square. Hence the word public square. Now I am assuming you live in the USA. Of course with all the news of how such and such infringes upon my right etc... I could see where you would think it is illegal to have freedom of speech here in the US.

  • Tue Jan 15, 2008 8:25 am Agree: 8   Disagree: 12

    A fundamentalist is a fundamentalist, regardless of what credo is followed. As to christians (any religious group) being non violent, history tells a different story. Until recently (and even then, the driving force could be in some ways called "religion") all wars were religiously based. So do not say christians are not violent.

    As to homosexuality, if it is not you, it is not your business. If you do not like it or do not approve of it, do not have anything to do with them. It is not your right to say they must change.

    It is your religion; keep it in your church and your home, but out of the public square.

  • jab »
    Tue Jan 15, 2008 7:45 am Agree: 14   Disagree: 5

    I'm not advocating violence or even degrading conversation. My father-in-law, various distant family members, and friends of the family are all practicing homosexuals, do I love them? I would die to protect them. Do I agree with their lifestyle? Absolutely not and they know it. They know I'm praying for them and disagree with them but we still love each other. I will never say that homosexuality is right. I will continue to proclaim that it is sin and they know that. But we still love each other. My father-in-law is attending church now and openly asking questions and getting involved, but he still has a long way to go, just like the rest of us. But even to him I will not bend Scripture to say what he wants it to say. The Word of God is either true or we need to throw it away, but we can't change it just to make ourselves or our loved ones feel better.

  • Lex »
    Tue Jan 15, 2008 7:15 am Agree: 3   Disagree: 1

    No, it means that we love those who have been deceived by homosexuality, trapped by prostitution, and violated by murder - and minister the truth in love. Ephesians tells us our struggle is not against flesh and blood. If we only condemn people we fail to be the body of Christ, we fail to win their hearts/ears, and we sound like nothing but a "clanging cymbal."

  • jab »
    Tue Jan 15, 2008 6:48 am Agree: 4   Disagree: 2

    OK, so if I apply the mindset of some, then homosexuality should be lovingly accepted as a normal lifestyle, and because Christ spent time with prostitutes, then prostitution should be normal as well. He died instead of a murderer so is murder to be lovingly accepted too? You know what this all boils down to? "In those days there was no king in Israel. EVERYONE DID WHAT WAS RIGHT IN HIS OWN EYES." Judges 17:6. How dare we call America a "chrisitan" nation...Christ hasn't been the Lord here for a long time.

  • Tue Jan 15, 2008 5:28 am Agree: 7   Disagree: 3

    ghostwolf -

    I think part of the problem is that you have the wrong impression of what Jesus taught. You say "he hung out with prostitutes, tax collectors, and WORSE?" Of course He did, but He told them to repent, and go and sin no more. He loved sinners enough to die for their sin so they could spend eternity with Him, He didn't die so they could go on sinning and claim He was all for it.

  • Tue Jan 15, 2008 4:55 am Agree: 1   Disagree: 0

    dgnymn:
    just for clarity, my quote from Romans was just as Paul intended in context. I was referring to persecution of Christians, not defending the homosexual lifestyle. I may not have selected the most appropriate quote, since persecution from a "TV show" is hardly persecution and whatever a "TV show" says about Christians totally does not matter to me. A "TV show" will never change who Jesus is and what He has done for us, though we are all completely unworthy!

    I agree with you, we are all sinners and need to repent and trust in Jesus Christ and seek God while he may be found!

    Peace to you and thank you for the correction!

  • Tue Jan 15, 2008 4:10 am Agree: 8   Disagree: 4

    ghost wolf,

    Jesus did love sinners, but He also told them to repent, you forget that. Would you say all the hateful things you said about Christians on your post if I was a friend with a homosexual and showed them all the kindness I show anyone, but then told them that their behavior was morally wrong and that they needed to change? Have you read the Bible in its original language? Do you know more than the vast majority of translators who have agreed on the Bible's stance on homosexuality? Are you sure the problem is not just with you?

    For that matter, how dare you compare fundamentalist Christianity with extremist Islam, you know nothing of these two branches of these faiths. Your comment does not deserve a response.

    Finally, we are not hating anybody, as the article illustrates, yes you get some nutjobs who twist the scriptures, but telling people that their behavior is wrong and that they need to trust Christ is far from hating them. Please understand ghostwolf, there is a difference between loving someone, and just accepting everything they do. Tolerance without distinction is the worst kind of hatred a person can commit, you know this.

  • Tue Jan 15, 2008 3:11 am Agree: 13   Disagree: 10

    I've read through this website at length and all I can say is, "FEEL THE LOVE!" (NOT!)
    There's no love here for anyone who's not a fundamentalist Christian and if it's about GAY people, there's no love at all.
    You speak out of both sides of your mouth and make no sense at all.
    On one hand you'll admit that only God can judge a person, on the other you spout that YOU have the right to judge for GOD because YOU'VE read His word and thus know better than others (I doubt even ONE of you has read it in the original language - you'll allow a translator to tell you what they THINK it should say and about such IMPORTANT ISSUES!).
    Last I heard the Christian God wasn't big on pride in His followers and had no use at all for hypocrites (which as far as I can see is about 95% of the posters on here).
    You don't want people to make fun of you or criticize your position concerning your religion, your intolerance, your hateful, insensitive, cruel attitudes, and DEMAND that you be given respect but in the same breath will tell us that gay people shouldn't be given the SAME respect or be given even the smallest amount of protection for their civil rights (most of you don't seem to think that gay people even DESERVE to have civil rights).
    You can't have it both ways. You can't say that YOU are the only people who have the right to free speech, protection from persecution, equal rights, etc. but gay people have no rights at all.
    We have a constitution and there IS separation of church and state. If we didn't, the different Christian denominations would be fighting with one another for WHO'S got the REAL scoop on God and it would be the violent times of the Reformation all over again!
    I question how many of you KNOW anything about the REAL Jesus? How he hung out with prostitutes, tax collectors, and WORSE?
    The one time he lost it and rampaged was in the TEMPLE... .remember that?
    He NEVER once lost it on the "sinners" in such a manner...
    He reserved His rage for the H Y P O C R I T E S!
    That word ring a bell for any of you loving Christians out there? If not, it SHOULD!
    BTW, have you visited the Westboro Baptist Church site recently? GodhatesBLANKdot come?
    LOTS more loving Christians there!
    You're no different than the fundamentalist Muslims. Church law, no separation of church and state and DEATH to all that oppose your religious beliefs!
    You're not Christians. You SAY you are but words are cheap. When you can LOVE someone who's very different than you are and give to them the respect that each and every human being deserves, THEN you can call yourself a Christian. Until then...You might be religious and you might SAY you're a follower of Jesus, but you're so far away from what that man taught as to be laughable.

  • Mon Jan 14, 2008 6:27 pm Agree: 5   Disagree: 3

    NBC criticizing Christians... alert Mike Wallace. You were expecting what, that they would have a change of heart and suddenly love Christians?

    As to homosexuality..God says it's a sin and an abomination. It isn't being intolerant saying that. It's telling the truth, and trying to warn someone to change before they go to hell. The point is that we warn out of love, not hate. If we hated we would keep our mouths shut and let homosexuals go to hell without a word.

    God can not look on sin, those who die without forgiveness of them will go to hell. The only way to have sin forgiven is to repent of your sin (whether you think the sin should be characterized as one or not, only God's opinion counts), ask God for forgiveness, accept Jesus sacrifice for your sins, be forgiven through the blood of Jesus' death on the cross, and do your best not to sin anymore.

  • Mon Jan 14, 2008 6:05 pm Agree: 8   Disagree: 0

    I do not promote moral or cultural relativism. But I do not see it as a Christian's duty to continually blast in in their face that they are wrong. No, the Christian's duty is to present the Good News that we are ALL sinners in need of a Savior and that He has made satisfaction on the cross for us in our place! We need to take into consideration that many gay folks do not understand gayness as being wrong, and that it's sinfulness can only be revealed to them by Jesus through the Holy Spirit. They know that Christians believe gayness is wrong, they do not need to be told again and again and again. Sorry I am am a little off topic.

  • Mon Jan 14, 2008 5:00 pm Agree: 4   Disagree: 6

    WHAT IS ALL THIS NONSENSE BEING SPEWED OUT!!! These nonsensical statements about Christians hating or loving "gays." Has anyone ever recognized what Scripture calls them - SINNERS. Yes, wake-up call!!!! Yes...Homosexuality is SIN!!! And Joel 12234...if you are going to quote Romans, chapter 8, please don't forget Romans, chapter 1. That is an important beginning to understand the depravity of man.

    We are all sinners, who are in need of the forgiveness of our sins. That is why Christ died - to save the ungodly!!! Anyone who sins is ungodly and worthy of death. Remember Romans...for the wages of sin is death? Have we forgotten that? And what is this about "embracing gays?" as if they're okay. What about this, cultural Christians? Do we also embrace say that the thief, adulturer, child molester, the one who abuses himself with animals, the liar, those given to idolatry, and the other sins...well...what do we say? Again, that Christ Jesus came into the world to save sinners, and that we all fall short of the glory of God!! That's what we say. Not that homosexuals are facing death all day long and are considered as sheep to be slaughtered. That's a perversion of the Scripture and if that's your intent, you should be ashamed of yourself.

    Where is the Truth, folks? Can we speak the Truth..not the cultural truth, because that is idolatry and not even close to Truth. The Truth is in Christ, and as He spoke to the woman caught in adultery, He said - "Go and Sin No more." That is the message. We love because He first loved us, and we speak the Truth in Love, and we're courageous to speak the Truth, no matter what, because Christ gave us an example to follow. This is not about a society club or a "I like you, you like me." We're dealing with eternity, here!!!

    Homosexuals, like murderes, thieves, adulterers, liars, and the rest...we all who were once this way - we need the grace of God through Jesus Christ. For it is by grace you are saved, by faith. Not of works, lest any man should be boast. It is the gift of God.

    REPENT FOR THE KINGDOM OF GOD IS AT HAND!!!

  • Mon Jan 14, 2008 4:39 pm Agree: 0   Disagree: 0

    It's sad that some people have misunderstood the command of Jesus to love your neighbor as yourself. As a Christian, I have a responsibility to treat others with kindness, and that includes those whom I may disagree with morally. Rand503, I beg you not to judge Christianity by those who, by insulting you, fail to follow Jesus. I understand your pain in having been rejected by those posing as Christians. It certainly doesn't help that Hollywood promotes this judgmental, distorted view of Christianity. Jesus invites me, and invites you, to lay aside our deepest feelings, and come to Him to be transformed into His image. We all struggle with hurtful words people have said to us. Let us not spit venom at each other any longer, but let us come and try to understand each other.

  • Mon Jan 14, 2008 12:57 pm Agree: 5   Disagree: 1

    Rand503, the rhetoric that you are spewing on this board unfortunately confirms what sad to say some Christians portray about homosexuality. While talking tolerance they make vicious claims like you are here. The false pastor at Westboro does not represent Christ or Christians in general. I find him despicable and does not show the nature of Christ. To say the majority of Christians are like this is not true. It really isn't. If these are the only Christians you have been around that is very unfortunate. I have known many that have struggled with this sin but loved the Lord. Out of probably 100 I have known the past 20 years I have only had one go off on me. So I know not all are spewing hatred of Christians.

    Because we speak out against sin that does not equate with hatred of the person. Anything that Christ says is wrong is sin, whether we like it or not. Lying, stealing, pride, etc. All of them are sin that Christ paid the price for. He fulfilled the law. The law included stoning of people in all sexual sin. He took the punishment that the law executed and took that penalty to the cross, shed his precious blood for all of us to be cleansed. We no longer have to offer sacrifices for our sin. We do not have to pay for our lives for sin. We come to Christ and are made new from the inside out.

    Again if the only Christians you have been around are like the fake pastor of Westboro Baptist Church I'm really saddened by it. Thank God only his family (maybe 80 people) are a part of that madness called a congregation.

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    Mon Jan 14, 2008 12:57 pm Agree: 3   Disagree: 3

    I love the fact that Christians are finally being persecuted for believing the Bible...maybe we can weed out some of the cultural Christians and get down to business with those who really follow Christ. It is pure nonsense to say that the Bible condones homosexuality. Quit trying to force God's Word to say what you want and start following what it says.

  • Mon Jan 14, 2008 12:22 pm Agree: 3   Disagree: 1

    First of all I do not hate gays. I have an uncle who is gay and has been so for many many years. Secondly I do not think the sin of having affections for the same sex is any more or less of a sin than stealing or lying. Sin is sin and God hates all sin. But I do not believe a person can knowingly live in sin and be a believer. There will be no one who knowingly lives in sin entering eternity to sit at the Lords table.

  • Mon Jan 14, 2008 12:14 pm Agree: 1   Disagree: 1

    Modern Culture has a great deal of fear of Christianity.

    Maybe you should spend more time fearing extreme islam that will attempt to bring you into forced submission? Rather than fearing Christianity's passive belief that homosexuality is wrong.

  • Mon Jan 14, 2008 11:15 am Agree: 11   Disagree: 4

    THE QUESTION IS THIS: What is the church's most pragmatic approach to Gay Christians, at a time when a younger generation is increasingly supportive of their Gay friends, family members, and co-workers?

    According to a recent Barna study of evangelical youth, 80% said Christians show excessive contempt and unloving attitudes towards gays and lesbians."

    I would suggest the reason for this is that evangelical youth are capable of making a moral an ethical distinction between monogamous Gay couples and promiscuous Gay individuals, rather than simply saying it's all just wrong, wrong, wrong. It is becoming increasingly obvious that Christians are beginning to see the benefits of embracing their Gay brothers and sisters and encouraging them toward lives of monogamy and commitment, rather than simply pushing them off to the side, and relegating them to lives of loneliness, depression, and promiscuity.

    Too many Christians, especially older Christians, still cling wistfully to the notion that Straight people get to date, get engaged, marry and build lives together in the context of monogamy and faithfulness to one other, that this is a GOOD thing ... and yet for Gay people to do exactly the same is somehow a BAD thing. The young evangelicals that the Barna group cites in its survey fortunately is realizing that this is a poor value judgment.

  • Mon Jan 14, 2008 10:28 am Agree: 13   Disagree: 10

    As a gay guy, I find it terribly difficult to sympathize with the poor misunderstood christians who have made it a business to spread hatred about gay people. It's not the sin they hate, but the sinners. You reap what you sow.

  • Mon Jan 14, 2008 10:15 am Agree: 11   Disagree: 10

    Well, on this website and plenty of others, I see quite a bit of anti-gay sentiments. Most Christians are in fact proud of the fact that they hate gays, and they will often use the most base and vile language against us in their blogs and messages. If you don't want to be seen as anti-gay, then perhaps you shouldn't fight so hard to deny us such basic rights.

  • Mon Jan 14, 2008 10:02 am Agree: 0   Disagree: 0

    Romans 8:34-36

    34Who is he that condemns? Christ Jesus, who died—more than that, who was raised to life—is at the right hand of God and is also interceding for us. 35Who shall separate us from the love of Christ? Shall trouble or hardship or persecution or famine or nakedness or danger or sword? 36As it is written:
    "For your sake we face death all day long;
    we are considered as sheep to be slaughtered."

  • Mon Jan 14, 2008 9:48 am Agree: 3   Disagree: 4

    Christophobic liberal tv shows.

  • Mon Jan 14, 2008 9:11 am Agree: 0   Disagree: 0

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