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Society|Tue, Jun. 09 2009 07:13 AM EDT

U.S. Appeals Court Votes 3-0 Against Okla. Commandments Display

By Eric Young|Christian Post Reporter

Government displays of the text of the Ten Commandments are not presumptively unconstitutional, affirmed a federal appeals court Monday.

  • TEN COMMANDMENTS
    (Photo: AP Images / Brandi Simons, File)
    People walk past a monument of the Ten Commandments located on the grounds of the Haskell County courthouse in Stigler, Okla., Wednesday, April 26, 2006.

“The Ten Commandments have a secular significance that government may acknowledge,” wrote Circuit Judge Jerome Holmes of the U.S. 10th Circuit of Appeals on behalf of the three-judge panel.

In the case of a Ten Commandments monument on the lawn of the Haskell County courthouse in Stigler, Okla., however, the “reasonable observer” would be aware of the religious motivations of the man who worked to get the monument erected, Holmes wrote in a 52-page opinion.

“[W]e hold that, under the unique circumstances presented here, the Establishment Clause was violated because the reasonable observer would view the Monument as having the impermissible principal or primary effect of endorsing religion,” the judges explained after voting 3-0 against the display on Monday.

According to court records, Haskell County resident Mike Bush had raised $2,000 in private funds to pay for the eight-foot tall and three-foot wide monument, which lists the Ten Commandments on front and the Mayflower Compact on the back.

County officials, who gave Bush approval for his display, have for many years allowed citizens to erect monuments in the courthouse lawn area. Such monuments include three memorials to veterans of World War II, the Vietnam War, and the Korean War; an Unmarked Graves monument; a Choctaw Indian Tribe Monument; two benches commemorating the high school graduating classes of 1954 and 1955; and 150 personalized message bricks on the sidewalk leading to the courthouse’s front steps.

“Haskell County officials acted within the law when they allowed the display of this Ten Commandments monument,” argued Attorney Kevin Theriot of the Alliance Defense Fund, who represented the commissioners in this case. “The monument is historically important and does not represent the furtherance of any religion by the county.”

According to the attorney, the U.S. District Court for the Eastern District of Oklahoma had “wisely” denied the attempt of the American Civil Liberties Union “to erase the Ten Commandments out of American history.”

But the U.S. 10th Circuit of Appeals on Monday reversed the district court’s order, ruling that the county had violated the Establishment Clause of the First Amendment because of Bush’s widely known religious motivations and because of the statements of religious beliefs made by at least two of the three commissioners to the local media.

“By not distinguishing their personal opinions from their official views, the commissioners left the impression that a principal or primary reason for the erection and maintenance of the display was religious,” the judges concluded.

In light of this, they added, “We conclude, in the unique factual setting of a small community like Haskell County, that the reasonable observer would find that these facts tended to strongly reflect a government endorsement of religion.”

With the district court’s order now reversed, the appeals court remands for district court to enter judgment consistent with their opinion.

Attorney Theriot, however, insists that the judges erred "for many reasons” in Monday’s decision, and he cited Supreme Court decisions in similar cases to support his conclusion.

Theriot told NewsOK that he is recommending to the commissioners that they ask all 12 judges of the court to reconsider the decision of the three-judge panel.

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  • Wed Jul 08, 2009 1:58 am Agree: 1   Disagree: 0

    Flagged as inappropriate. show I demand to know why this was flagged and by what coward: Online: "the removal of every Cross from our cemeteries along with the removal of every word acknowledging the Creator in our constitution?" Please quote where in the Constitution, other than the common usage in the date, there is ANY reference to ANY deity. Hint: NOWHERE. hide

  • Thu Jul 02, 2009 11:58 am Agree: 0   Disagree: 0

    Flagged as inappropriate. show wowie: numerous sources. Do your own homework. But you can go to David Barton's website and see his reluctant backpedaling regarding the fraudulent citations. hide

  • Fri Jun 19, 2009 8:14 am Agree: 0   Disagree: 0

    aveteran:The Madison and Henry citations you posted are proven frauds.

    If that's true I'd like to see your sources thanks :)

  • Wed Jun 17, 2009 10:25 am Agree: 0   Disagree: 6

    aveteran, but the reality is that our Constitution was influenced by the Magna Carta which was highly influenced by God's Word.

  • Wed Jun 17, 2009 7:59 am Agree: 6   Disagree: 1

    Flagged as inappropriate. show Online wrote: "Would you also remove the sculptures from the Supreme Court (many of which display Moses holding the Ten Commandments), the removal of every Cross from our cemeteries along with the removal of every word acknowledging the Creator in our constitution?" You can flag the truth as inapproprate; I'll just keep re-posting it. The ONLY reference to ANY deity in the Constitution was in the DATE, using "in the year of our lord" as was the custon of the day. NO OTHER deity reference exists in the Constitution. It's obvious you've never read it or you wouldn't be posting such falsehoods. hide

  • Wed Jun 17, 2009 7:47 am Agree: 2   Disagree: 0

    Flagged as inappropriate. show wowie: The Madison and Henry citations you posted are proven frauds. Please understand that when you rely on the propaganda of David Barton, your credibility will suffer. hide

  • Tue Jun 16, 2009 8:17 am Agree: 2   Disagree: 4

    Without religion this world would be something not fit to be mentioned in polite company, I mean Hell...John Adams

    ...both the legislators and the public considered it appropriate for the national government to promote a nondenominational, nonpolemical Christianity.--official Library of Congress statement

    http://www.loc.gov/exhibits/religion/rel04.html


    Have you ever read a quote that seemed to show that our Founders weren't Christians?

    see an example of a quote taken out of context, and a tutorial on examining these quotes

    http://www.eadshome.com/FoundersQuotesoutofContext.htm

  • Tue Jun 16, 2009 7:51 am Agree: 3   Disagree: 5

    believer " to say the Ten Commandments have had no impact on the laws of our nation and more specifically our Constitution and Bill of Rights is a bit of a stretch."

    We have staked the whole of all our political institutions upon the capacity of each and all of us to govern ourselves, to sustain ourselves according to the TEN COMMANDMENTS OF GOD.--James Madison-Father of the Constitution

    It cannot be emphasized too strongly or too often that this great nation was founded not by religionistts, but by Christians, not on religions, but on the gospel of Jesus Christ. We shall not fight alone. God presides over the destinies of nations.--Patrick Henry

  • Sun Jun 14, 2009 9:31 pm Agree: 2   Disagree: 2

    mickeyc, I don't need to back it up since history does that for me already, it is you who are trying to change the history of our nation.

  • Sun Jun 14, 2009 6:35 pm Agree: 7   Disagree: 2

    "mickeyc, as I said I'm not doing your work for you since you ignore any legitimate evidence that opposes your point of view, but when you have a chance just pick up an American History or a Civics book and read them!!!"

    Your usual avoidance when cornered. Once again, you make a claim and can't back it up. It's like most of things in your life. You live on fear and prejudice and it's pathetic.

  • Sun Jun 14, 2009 3:49 pm Agree: 1   Disagree: 5

    mickeyc, as I said I'm not doing your work for you since you ignore any legitimate evidence that opposes your point of view, but when you have a chance just pick up an American History or a Civics book and read them!!!

  • Sun Jun 14, 2009 3:33 pm Agree: 11   Disagree: 0

    "mickeyc, why don't you try reading an American History book or even better how about a Civics book?"

    And still, not one shred of evidence, just like all of you shallow silliness. You've been shown time and again to have NO proof of anything and this is just one more. Pathetic

  • Sun Jun 14, 2009 3:26 pm Agree: 1   Disagree: 5

    mickeyc, why don't you try reading an American History book or even better how about a Civics book?

  • Sun Jun 14, 2009 3:24 pm Agree: 0   Disagree: 5

    aveteran, in some states the names of advertisers are placed on signs that are paid for with our taxes and there are some names that appear on these boards that I don't care for, so why should I be forced to see them as I travel do the roads that my tax dollars paid for?

  • Sun Jun 14, 2009 1:20 pm Agree: 9   Disagree: 0

    Flagged as inappropriate. show Online: "the removal of every Cross from our cemeteries along with the removal of every word acknowledging the Creator in our constitution?" Please quote where in the Constitution, other than the common usage in the date, there is ANY reference to ANY deity. Hint: NOWHERE. hide

  • Sun Jun 14, 2009 1:07 pm Agree: 3   Disagree: 0

    Flagged as inappropriate. show Believer, are you saying you paid for the billboards (located on private property), or the highway (public land)? Your comparison doesn't work so well. hide

  • Sun Jun 14, 2009 9:14 am Agree: 5   Disagree: 0

    Flagged as inappropriate. show "mickeyc, like everything else we show you, you'll just twist it to fit your false views, so why bother and if your that interested in proving others wrong, you can do the work to prove us wrong! But the reality is that the Magna Carta is based on the Word of God to include the Ten Commandments and the Magna Carta had an influence on those who wrote our Bill of Rights and Constitution." And as with you never ending Bible rants, not ONE WORD of evidence. This is typical of those whose entire view of the world is based on prejudice, not fact. hide

  • Sun Jun 14, 2009 8:03 am Agree: 0   Disagree: 6

    mickeyc, like everything else we show you, you'll just twist it to fit your false views, so why bother and if your that interested in proving others wrong, you can do the work to prove us wrong! But the reality is that the Magna Carta is based on the Word of God to include the Ten Commandments and the Magna Carta had an influence on those who wrote our Bill of Rights and Constitution.

  • Sat Jun 13, 2009 11:49 pm Agree: 2   Disagree: 1

    "I'll show your President the same amount of respect you showed mine."

    I thought you people called you leader Chancellor, not President.....

  • Sat Jun 13, 2009 11:49 pm Agree: 4   Disagree: 1

    "mickeyc, why don't you show us where the Magna Carta is not influenced by the Bible to include the Ten Commandments!!"

    IN other words, like everything else you claim, you have NO proof, just lies. Don't you get tired of being shown up?

  • Sat Jun 13, 2009 1:38 pm Agree: 0   Disagree: 0

    viking, I'll check it out.

  • Sat Jun 13, 2009 1:37 pm Agree: 0   Disagree: 4

    mickeyc, why don't you show us where the Magna Carta is not influenced by the Bible to include the Ten Commandments!!

  • Sat Jun 13, 2009 10:52 am Agree: 7   Disagree: 0

    "mickeyc, the Bill of Rights and Constitution are based on the Magna Carta and the Magna Carta is based on the teachings in the Bible to include the Ten Commandments!"

    You obviously don't know the history of the Magna Carta. It's interesting that you would even bring up a document, the intentions of which were to grant civil liberties to various and sundry people and groups, when your intention to keep other from having civil liberties. Please post the part of the Magna Carta which is based solely on the 10 commandments.

  • Sat Jun 13, 2009 6:27 am Agree: 0   Disagree: 1

    believer,
    sorry to interrupt you but I am very concerned about Wrhalver. Could you please read his recent post to me at the thread on Obama's speech and minister to him as you are moved to. I trust in your judgement on this matter.

  • Fri Jun 12, 2009 10:29 pm Agree: 0   Disagree: 6

    mickeyc, the Bill of Rights and Constitution are based on the Magna Carta and the Magna Carta is based on the teachings in the Bible to include the Ten Commandments!

  • Fri Jun 12, 2009 6:25 pm Agree: 3   Disagree: 0

    "mickeyc, no, but the Ten Commandments influenced many of our laws today both in our country and countries around the world."

    You'll have to prove that since many laws concerning murder, theft etc. have been around since long before the Judeo-Christian Bible was compiled.

  • Fri Jun 12, 2009 10:00 am Agree: 0   Disagree: 11

    I'll show your President the same amount of respect you showed mine.

  • Fri Jun 12, 2009 9:31 am Agree: 0   Disagree: 2

    johnzon, you surely can do better than that for trying to say the Bible and specifically the Ten Commandments did not influence many of the laws we follow today.

  • Thu Jun 11, 2009 9:51 pm Agree: 2   Disagree: 0

    rachel

    <<Then I have the right to see the 10 commandments there, as much as you have the right>>


    You have the right to see it at church, has no place on government property.

  • Thu Jun 11, 2009 9:48 pm Agree: 3   Disagree: 0

    Get over it Weakender, Obama won fair and square by an electoral landslid. I'm too sure if Obama had not been born in the US that it would not have been uncovered by Clinton, McCain, etc, etc. Enjoy the next 8 years with President Obama, so far so good..

  • Thu Jun 11, 2009 9:45 pm Agree: 1   Disagree: 0

    believer

    <<....the Ten Commandments influenced many of our laws today both in our country and countries around the world!>>

    Is this one of them you are referrig to:

    No coveting his house, wife, slaves, animals or any other possessions.

    Looks like its OK to have slaves, just dont covet your neighbors, get your own...

  • Thu Jun 11, 2009 9:38 pm Agree: 2   Disagree: 0

    ID

    <<And of course that famous phrase, "separation of church and state" appears nowhere in the Constitution.>>

    True, those words are not in the US Constitution. However, the principal author of said document, James Madison, used the phrase often, as did Thomas Jefferson, described intent of the first amendment concerning religion. Religion and government are to be separate.

  • Thu Jun 11, 2009 8:39 pm Agree: 0   Disagree: 1

    mickeyc, no, but the Ten Commandments influenced many of our laws today both in our country and countries around the world!

  • Thu Jun 11, 2009 6:57 pm Agree: 4   Disagree: 1

    "Obama's birth certificat is still under scrutiny. Birth certificates were commonly issued to Hawaiians born in foreign countries in 1961. There are even relatives who have made claims that he was born in Kenya."

    Yet apparently no proof has surfaced that he was born anywhere else. It's amazing that the ulta-right is reduced to analyzing birth certificates when they lose. LOL

  • Thu Jun 11, 2009 6:55 pm Agree: 4   Disagree: 1

    To those who actually understand where our laws come from, they know that no laws enforce the 10 commandments. Laws against killing and stealing date back before the Bible was even compiled to such as the code of Ur-Nammu, code of Hammurabi. As a matter of fact, it is not unlikely that some of the texts of the Bible are based on parts of those texts. The fact is this nation was founded by those who may have believed in a Supreme Being but certainly did not intend Christianity or any other religion to influence the laws. Re-writing history by the ultra-right does not change the obvious facts.

  • Thu Jun 11, 2009 12:38 pm Agree: 1   Disagree: 3

    Obama's birth certificat is still under scrutiny. Birth certificates were commonly issued to Hawaiians born in foreign countries in 1961. There are even relatives who have made claims that he was born in Kenya.

  • Wed Jun 10, 2009 10:45 pm Agree: 2   Disagree: 4

    To those who say none of our laws were based on the Ten Commandments. Our Bill of Rights and Constitution both used the Magna Carta as one of the documents to guide them in writing both of these documents and it is said that those who wrote the Magna Carta used the Bible as one of the documents to guide them in the writing of that document which if one reads can easily see the Ten Commandments influenced the writers of the Magna Carta. So to say the Ten Commandments have had no impact on the laws of our nation and more specifically our Constitution and Bill of Rights is a bit of a stretch.

  • Wed Jun 10, 2009 5:54 pm Agree: 3   Disagree: 0

    "I heard a great one today: How is President Obama similar to God? Neither one has a birth certificate! "

    Since Obama's birth certificate and the announcement of his birth in the newspaper have been published about 1000 times on the web, I fail to see who this makes any sense.

  • Wed Jun 10, 2009 5:46 pm Agree: 0   Disagree: 5

    Flagged as inappropriate. show I heard a great one today: How is President Obama similar to God? Neither one has a birth certificate! hide

  • Wed Jun 10, 2009 4:47 pm Agree: 9   Disagree: 2

    "Actually, it did just the opposite. It forbade government politicians from mingling in church affairs. And of course that famous phrase, "separation of church and state" appears nowhere in the Constitution."

    Long story short, NONE of our laws are based on the 10 Commandments.

  • Wed Jun 10, 2009 4:17 pm Agree: 2   Disagree: 9

    To MickeyC

    The Ten Commandments fall into two categories:

    1. Those dealing with our relationship with God
    2. Those dealing with our relationships between one another.
    They all are commanded by Holy God.

    All of thsoe commandments dealing with our relationships with one another form the foundation of our most fundamental laws.

    Specifically, from the Exodus account, commandments 5,6, 7, 8, 9, and 10.

    Of the 55 forefathers who signed our founding docusment, 51 were practicing Christians very familiar with the Bible and active in their churches. Three were Deists and one was. Well, he was. Modern secularists try to convince nonreaders that they were majority Deists.

    This information gauls secularists, but it is true nevertheless. It has been purged from our history books by those who want to rewrite history sort of like those silly "separation of church and state" people who have the naive among us thinking that the Constitution forbade church affairs in state affairs.

    Actually, it did just the opposite. It forbade government politicians from mingling in church affairs. And of course that famous phrase, "separation of church and state" appears nowhere in the Constitution.

  • Wed Jun 10, 2009 3:40 pm Agree: 8   Disagree: 1

    "Perhaps the judges are unaware of the connection between the Ten Commandments and our laws? They may be ignorant."

    Other than 6 & 8 which are part of many earlier texts, which of the 10 commandments are laws in our country? The fact is none of the 10 commandments are the basis for any of our laws and only coincide with two.

  • Wed Jun 10, 2009 11:48 am Agree: 3   Disagree: 10

    Perhaps the judges are unaware of the connection between the Ten Commandments and our laws? They may be ignorant.

  • Wed Jun 10, 2009 4:58 am Agree: 1   Disagree: 6

    Whatup believers? This is the day that the LORD has made, I will rejoice and be glad in it!

    Couple of things,
    First @ idietolive:

    Christ not only set us free for the punishment of the Law, but he set us free from serving YHWH through legalism. Don't get me wrong! True believers in the OT served the Lord out of love, not legalism (Psalm 119:92). But like the Pharisees, we often times get caught up in "religion". When Jesus gave the two greatest commandments (Mark 12:28-31), He said love YHWH with EVERYTHING in you and love your neighbor, if we're doing those things, we wouldn't be having sex outside of marriage, homosexual sex, or beastiality. Those two Commandments Christ gave cover the whole law!

    @ the story
    I strongly believe that the Commandments should stay. Why do we really want them to stay? Let's do some self-reflection... do we want them to stay because we'd be offended if they were lifted? Or maybe to have our way? Or do we really want people to gain from them staying? Let's remember that the Word of God causes people who don't believe to be offended and fight against it due to sin nature, so let's show love in this situation. Afterall, moreso than a slab of stone standing on the courthouse lawn, we are commanded to be the light of the world through our LIFESTYLE. This is far more effective.

    Matthew 5
    14"You are the light of the world. A city on a hill cannot be hidden. 15Neither do people light a lamp and put it under a bowl. Instead they put it on its stand, and it gives light to everyone in the house. 16In the same way, let your light shine before men, that they may see your good deeds and praise your Father in heaven.

    To God be the GLORY!

  • Wed Jun 10, 2009 12:21 am Agree: 0   Disagree: 0

    weekenderman, thank you . . . its good to hear from you as well =)

  • Tue Jun 09, 2009 11:49 pm Agree: 0   Disagree: 3

    Welcome back, Online4Him. Long time no see. :)

  • Tue Jun 09, 2009 9:48 pm Agree: 4   Disagree: 8

    johnzon,

    Good luck with trying to remove every reference of the Christian faith from public display . . . Would you also remove the sculptures from the Supreme Court (many of which display Moses holding the Ten Commandments), the removal of every Cross from our cemeteries along with the removal of every word acknowledging the Creator in our constitution? Again, good luck . . .

  • Tue Jun 09, 2009 9:28 pm Agree: 10   Disagree: 7

    Leave the 10 comandments or however many there are at church and home, and everything will be just fine. They should not be displayed on government properties plain and simple....

  • Tue Jun 09, 2009 9:07 pm Agree: 10   Disagree: 2

    The monument is simply free marketing for religion (and their churches) - not really the purpose of government.

  • Tue Jun 09, 2009 9:05 pm Agree: 2   Disagree: 2

    bel, considering the muslims believe these same truths you might say it represents them as well, plus there are a lot of billboards that offend me located on interstate highways which I paid for with my tax dollars, but I'm not demanding they be removed, like any mature adult I simply ignore them.

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