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Society|Mon, Oct. 05 2009 06:10 PM EDT

Texas Gay Couple's Divorce Lawsuit Draws National Spotlight

By Nathan Black|Christian Post Reporter

A married gay couple's divorce case has made Texas another battleground for marriage.

Though the couple, who married in Massachusetts, is simply seeking a divorce, their case became politicized with same-sex marriage advocates and opponents entering the debate.

National attention was drawn to what was a personal issue when a Dallas judge ruled last week to agree to hear the divorce case. District Judge Tena Callahan further declared the state marriage amendment and the state's Defense of Marriage Act unconstitutional. The ban violates the federal constitutional right to equal protection under the Fourteenth Amendment to the U.S. Constitution, she ruled.

Gay marriage supporters hailed the ruling which essentially recognized same-sex marriage but traditional marriage proponents immediately came out to defend what Texas voters approved in 2005 – that marriage in this state consists only of the union of one man and one woman.

"The government cannot consider issuing a 'divorce' for a 'marriage' it doesn’t recognize. Seventy-five percent of Texans in 2005 made it perfectly clear that marriage in their state is solely between one man and one woman," said Austin R. Nimocks, senior legal counsel with the Alliance Defense Fund. "This ruling runs contrary to the voice of Texans and the historic purposes behind the state’s marriage laws."

Texas Attorney General Greg Abbott said he would appeal the ruling. He had intervened in the divorce case earlier, arguing that a Texas court could not dissolve the marriage because the state does not recognize gay marriage.

The gay couple, identified as J.B. and H.B., married three years ago in Cambridge, Mass., where same-sex marriage is legal, after being together nearly nine years. J.B. said he felt a mix of emotions after the court ruling, including relief and sadness but he did not join other gay marriage advocates in their celebration.

"I don't think the end of anyone's marriage can be celebrated as a victory," J.B. said on ABC's Good Morning America Weekend.

He emphasized on the news program that he was not a test case or the poster child for gay marriage.

"This is my battle over the Full Faith and Credit [Clause]. This is not about gay marriage," J.B. said.

The couple is not seeking to challenge the state's marriage amendment. They are seeking a divorce without having to return to Massachusetts.

Alliance Defense Fund attorneys plan to file a friend-of-the-court brief opposing the Callahan ruling. They are also battling a similar divorce case in Oklahoma, where a lesbian couple is seeking to split.

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  • Mon Oct 19, 2009 7:44 pm Agree: 0   Disagree: 0

    TLChild »
    Tue Oct 13, 2009 2:52 pm : 2 : 5 Flag

    Garageguy stated: Tue Oct 13, 2009 12:04 pm

    "Are YOU in a sham marriage? Is that why you're so bitter? Didn't have the courage to admit you're a lesbian, so you stuffed the truth away to live a lie? That would explain your vitriolic obsession with gay people (the ones who are honest)."

    Garageguy,

    I have noticed the insecurities of homosexuals that they have to assume that everyone is like them in order to feel normal.
    ---------------------------------------
    In Response: Is that why when asked for secular reasons to support your arguments you can't, TLC?

    Are you capable of dealing with a discussion without using your religion as a crutch?

    When I asked you to discuss the Lemon Test about the Mojave Cross case you couldn't do and then I had to engage your position statement where in you never did arrive at any logical reason to ignore the secular laws of this Country. You simply continued on some assumed tact that whatever you said made sense no matter how illogical it was and how far off the topic it went.

    So, can you post without some reliance upon your ideology or does it somehow make you "feel " normal to do so, Sounds exactly like your projecting your current situation on others and denying that you have a problem that requires attention in dealing with it.
    TFR

  • Tue Oct 13, 2009 2:52 pm Agree: 2   Disagree: 5

    Garageguy stated: Tue Oct 13, 2009 12:04 pm

    "Are YOU in a sham marriage? Is that why you're so bitter? Didn't have the courage to admit you're a lesbian, so you stuffed the truth away to live a lie? That would explain your vitriolic obsession with gay people (the ones who are honest)."

    Garageguy,

    I have noticed the insecurities of homosexuals that they have to assume that everyone is like them in order to feel normal.

  • Tue Oct 13, 2009 12:04 pm Agree: 5   Disagree: 1

    "I think you are on to something. I never thought about Barbarak being married to homosexual man or garageguy. It may be garageguy, because he has stated that people live a lie when they claim that they were homosexuals and are now heterosexuls."

    Oh, silly TLChild, how little you know me.

    Unlike so many others, I had the courage to come out as who I honestly am before dragging some poor woman into a sham marriage.

    Are YOU in a sham marriage? Is that why you're so bitter? Didn't have the courage to admit you're a lesbian, so you stuffed the truth away to live a lie? That would explain your vitriolic obsession with gay people (the ones who are honest).

  • Tue Oct 13, 2009 11:58 am Agree: 5   Disagree: 1

    "I have to wonder why this site attracts so many unhappy people whose sole purpose is to lash out at others."

    Can I have an AMEN!!

  • Mon Oct 12, 2009 11:57 pm Agree: 3   Disagree: 8

    Okay BarbaraK,

    Good night, you need to be rested up for your class. However, I have noticed that you must have been a Sunday School teacher in order to lead people away from the church, because if someone teaches something, one assumes that they truly believes in it. Therefore, either you were/are a Sunday school teacher in order to lead people away from the Holy Word of Yahweh or you are a LIAR, and only stated that you were/are a Sunday School teacher in order to appear like you can speak about the Bible since you have taught it.

  • Mon Oct 12, 2009 11:46 pm Agree: 3   Disagree: 7

    BarbaraK,

    I do not think that you realize this, but everything that you are stating against Daniel P and me, YOU ARE DOING. I am happy that I could be some help to your class. Hopefully, they will see how adamant Daniel P and I are about the Holy Word of Yahweh and may be interested. Sometimes people become intrigued when they see a person being consistent about their beliefs.

  • Mon Oct 12, 2009 11:40 pm Agree: 12   Disagree: 3

    TLChild and Daniel. Your strange guessing game is amusing and further supports all my original statements.

    Actually, I was looking for subject material for next Sunday and ran across the Christian Post. The articles seemed rather banal and in some cases, completely misrepresent the issues so I was about to conclude that there was nothing of interest here. That is, until I started reading the comment sections. I have to admit it has the morbid attraction of a car wreck, but it gave me an idea. I've decided to use the comments as a point of discussion. I teach high school/college age and I think a discussion of prejudice and the Bible may be just the thing. Combined with a few other sites based on prejudice, I think you will help make an interesting lesson and discussion.

    As for the other people you mention, I've seen their posts and it would seem that they are the only reasons you come here. Christianity is certainly not a part of your thinking, simply the ability to prove something to someone by arguing. Why not do it in person instead of anonymously on internet boards? You don't seem to be convincing anyone other than yourselves here.

  • Mon Oct 12, 2009 11:21 pm Agree: 2   Disagree: 7

    Daniel P,

    I think you are on to something. I never thought about Barbarak being married to homosexual man or garageguy. It may be garageguy, because he has stated that people live a lie when they claim that they were homosexuals and are now heterosexuls.

  • Mon Oct 12, 2009 11:18 pm Agree: 4   Disagree: 8

    Here's a thought. Is Barb actually the ex-wife of homoman or garageguy? (I think Mike is too young and it doesn't fit what he has told us about himself.)

  • Mon Oct 12, 2009 11:17 pm Agree: 2   Disagree: 6

    My thought to TLC. Still, people will see the consistancy of what we post. That is part of a sound testimony....

  • Mon Oct 12, 2009 11:16 pm Agree: 2   Disagree: 7

    "My guess is, even you know what is ahead."

    LOL!!!

    I do know what is ahead. Either I will die first, she will die first or we will both die together. Until then I LOVE THAT WOMAN!!!

    It really is sad you don't know much about me. When I first got custody of the kids I started going to divorce recovery at the church I am at now. Many women told me later that I helped them stay balanced because they could see that stupidity of leaving your marriage wasn't just limited to men!!!

    Why do I address homosexuality so much? Simple, that's what people like Mike, HM and others post so much about. In your case you will see that I have switched to mostly about divorce recovery because that is what you obviously need from what you have posted.

    1Pe 3:15 But sanctify the Lord God in your hearts: and [be] ready always to [give] an answer to every man that asketh you a reason of the hope that is in you with meekness and fear:

    They ask about the hope of my ability to be a Biblical husband (heterosexual) and I answer. You ask about divorce (masked in attacks filled with denial) and I answer them.

  • Mon Oct 12, 2009 11:15 pm Agree: 4   Disagree: 8

    Yeah, the quick thumbs down lets me know that either homosexual man, mike85, or garageguy are reading these comments. Therefore, I can conclude that one of them is either friends with BarbaraK or is actually BarbaraK.

  • Mon Oct 12, 2009 11:11 pm Agree: 2   Disagree: 8

    BarbaraK,

    The more you keep responding to posts, I am going to assume that you are really one of these people:

    A. Homosexual man
    B. Garageguy
    C. Mike85

    For someone who couldn't care less about people's opinions on this site, you sure keep reading comments and responding to them.

  • Mon Oct 12, 2009 11:09 pm Agree: 3   Disagree: 8

    "As a married woman with grown children, I have spent many years with heterosexual men. They aren't interested in homosexuality, they don't talk about it unless in the form of a joke and they certainly don't spend hours complaining about it on public internet sites. For you, I assume it is your only outlet."

    So, you were around real "man's man" types who have no idea how to be a leader and a Godly man then. I was a single parent raising 4 teens by myself for a number of years. I had a small group I taught in our singles ministry (mine was a smaller group with about a dozen people). Our singles ministry had about 180 total at that time between the 3 age groups.

    Many people spend their time going door to door witnessing to people. I live out in the country. Here the internet brings them to me!

    Actually, Barb, I am a project manager for a nation-wide charity, on a public school board, I do lay advocacy for children with special needs helping them get what they should out of the public schools (IDEA and 504) along with raising 2 smaller children (the first 4 are grown). So, I do have plenty of outlets. I just multi-task!!!

    Oh, yea...I'm a master gardener and I love to cook. I fix my own cars (and others) and have started a small media company with a friend. In short, life is too short to be bored!!!

  • Mon Oct 12, 2009 11:06 pm Agree: 2   Disagree: 7

    Barbarak,

    You sure do sound like one of your friends, especially using words like "superiority" to describe me. Which one of these people are your friends, here are the choices:

    A. Homosexual Man
    B. Garageguy
    C. Mike85

    I also notice that you appear to be sucked into this site as well BarbaraK. Therefore, you need to stop responding to posts while you have an opportunity to be happy.

  • Mon Oct 12, 2009 11:02 pm Agree: 9   Disagree: 2

    Daniel, I am glad you have found a book that addresses divorce that works for you. My guess is, even you know what is ahead.

  • Mon Oct 12, 2009 11:02 pm Agree: 3   Disagree: 8

    Actually, our church is a "hospital church" designed to help the hurting. We get people like Barb through our doors all the time. They think they have something new to "throw at the Christians" but the answers are the same.

    Love the Lord with all your heart and lean not on your own understanding....

  • Mon Oct 12, 2009 11:01 pm Agree: 9   Disagree: 3

    It sure doesn't take much to hit a "nerve" here.

    Daniel, your personal issues are certainly your business but eventually they will take their toll. My guess they have already which is why you are here so much. As a married woman with grown children, I have spent many years with heterosexual men. They aren't interested in homosexuality, they don't talk about it unless in the form of a joke and they certainly don't spend hours complaining about it on public internet sites. For you, I assume it is your only outlet.

    CLChild, from your childish post, I can only assume that you are, in fact, a child. I raised all of mine already and I'm not interested in raising another one. Your constant misuse of Christian thought further supports the idea.

    By the way, my divorce was many years ago since it seems to be of interest to you and I have been happily married more than 25 years to another man. It would seem you continue to want to project your unhappiness on others in some vein hope of superiority. It isn't working. I would suggest that the Bible can be source of great happiness for those who use it properly. You obviously have not figured that out. Hopefully in the years to come you will.

  • Mon Oct 12, 2009 11:01 pm Agree: 2   Disagree: 7

    "You are all prepared with the sources and everything. "

    I've been studying and doing counseling for 30 years. :D

  • Mon Oct 12, 2009 10:57 pm Agree: 2   Disagree: 8

    Daniel P,

    You are cracking me up BIG TIME! You are all prepared with the sources and everything.

  • Mon Oct 12, 2009 10:55 pm Agree: 2   Disagree: 8

    Barb: Growing through Divorce" is a great book:

    http://www.christianbook.com/Christian/Books/product?item_no=918152&item_code=WW&netp_id=479510&event=ESRCN&view=covers

  • Mon Oct 12, 2009 10:49 pm Agree: 2   Disagree: 8

    Barb...it has been my expience that God brings people to this site to be challenged. They have gotten stuck in something (homosexuality, drugs, alcohol, divorce or whatever) and this is an opportunity to vent, to lash out without fear of a relationship (after all, what would happen if you lashed out at work like this?) and it is an opportunity to be shown the love of Jesus. Love holds people accountable and challenges them to grow....

  • Mon Oct 12, 2009 10:46 pm Agree: 3   Disagree: 8

    BarbaraK,

    I know your problem, you are still unhappy and have not accepted your divorce. You have told us a miserable story about your husband being in denial with his sexuality, and therefore, you all had to divorce. It looks to me that you are the TRUE miserable person and everyone's comments are like a mirror to you since most of them are about HOMOSEXUALITY.

    BarbaraK stated: Mon Oct 12, 2009 7:17 pm

    "Well, let me make this crystal clear to all of you. I don't accept distorted Biblical philosophy used solely to harm any group and I am not interested in what appear to be endless rants by people who so obviously have personal issues with their own sexuality. I was married to a gay man for a number of years, who like many on here, was in denial of his homosexuality. I can see that there are several prolific posters here who are in the same position and while they claim to be married it is more than obvious that they are marriages of convenience. It, therefore, becomes comical that these same men condemn other people's marriages when theirs are merely a sham.

    My advice to all of you closeted men is to get on with your life and accept who you are like my husband did. We are both MUCH happier and have remained good friends. I'm sure your wives will eventually appreciate your choice as well. And quit spend so much time reading and posting about homosexuality for the sole purpose of condemning it. You are still gay and nothing will change that. "

  • Mon Oct 12, 2009 10:46 pm Agree: 2   Disagree: 8

    "everything that you are stating about others, YOU ARE DOING."

    It's CLASSIC denial....

  • Mon Oct 12, 2009 10:45 pm Agree: 3   Disagree: 8

    "However, hiding behind the Bible never solves anything for anyone. I have taught Sunday School for more years than I care to remember, so I am more than familiar with what the Bible says and, more importantly, I know how the Bible has been used against others in the past."

    Many an unsaved and unhealed person has taught Sunday School. Interesting that you make the statement that you are more than familiar with what the Bible says. If that were true then you would know that God has a plan for each of us. He wants us to obey His word. He determines what is right and wrong in whatever way pleases Him. You would know that He wrote the Bible not to bind us but to free us to live as HE designed.

    I was raised in the ministry, am the son of a Bible college dean, professor, ordained minister and short term missionary (1 year). I worked in Christian radio for over a dozen years at a Bible college. So, I too have some understanding of what the Bible says! Still, all that I have learned and all that you have learned has no validity unless it is what God has taught. What God has taught is in HIS word.

    Do you accept or reject His word as written?

  • Mon Oct 12, 2009 10:40 pm Agree: 3   Disagree: 8

    "I have to wonder why this site attracts so many unhappy people whose sole purpose is to lash out at others"

    Unhappy is such a general term. Interestingly enough, Christians are called to be content no matter the situation. Happiness comes and goes!

    Why do people like you come to a website like this and why are people like me here to chat with you? Simple. This site is to share the good news that Jesus can free you from the pain of your life. You will find some great and supportive information at this site concerning dealing with the bitterness you have buried and misdirected toward complete strangers concerning what has happened to you in your life. There is hope and healing:

    http://www.walkingthechristianlife.com/

  • Mon Oct 12, 2009 10:37 pm Agree: 3   Disagree: 9

    BarbaraK,

    I believe that you are a miserable person based on your definition of someone who is unhappy. You are commenting against those who speak out against homosexuality. Therefore, based on your OWN opinion, you are a miserable person. You also stated that this site attracts so many unhappy people. Therefore, since you are now on this site, and is lashing out at others, I can once again conclude, based on your definition of an unhappy person--YOU ARE A VERY UNHAPPY PERSON. You are cracking me up, because everything that you are stating about others, YOU ARE DOING. Therefore, please do not be a hypocrite, call yourself unhappy. Let's say it together, "BarbaraK is unhappy because she was attracted to this site and her sole purpose was to lash out at others."


    BarbaraK stated: Mon Oct 12, 2009 9:59 pm

    "I have to wonder why this site attracts so many unhappy people whose sole purpose is to lash out at others. The more of these threads I read, the stranger it gets."

  • Mon Oct 12, 2009 10:35 pm Agree: 2   Disagree: 9

    "I especially like the bizarre reference to me as a victim."

    From what I read of your post, your husband "accepted" that he was gay and now you guys are not together. You are the victim and your post displays extreme denial. You are lashing out at what attacks the false security you have set up in your "acceptance" of what has happened in your life.

    To be honest, your post displays anger and hostility at what you know is right but must deny in order to continue to "accept" the lie that you are happier now then you would have been if your marriage had worked out.

  • Mon Oct 12, 2009 9:59 pm Agree: 9   Disagree: 3

    TLChild, your hostility is duly noted and apparently brought on by some personal issues my post touched upon. From your myriad of posts, I gathered you are female and not a particularly happy one at that. Your aversion to homosexuality is also duly noted but of little interest.

    I have to wonder why this site attracts so many unhappy people whose sole purpose is to lash out at others. The more of these threads I read, the stranger it gets.

  • Mon Oct 12, 2009 9:47 pm Agree: 3   Disagree: 8

    I did not know that CP hired a comment police, because obviously if someone had a life, like she is claiming others do not have, she would not be on here noticing how much individuals have been speaking out against homosexuality.

    Welcome comment police BarbaraK.

  • Mon Oct 12, 2009 9:36 pm Agree: 11   Disagree: 2

    Well, Daniel, thanks for the live demonstration of exactly what I was talking about. I especially like the bizarre reference to me as a victim. Sorry, but even though I spent a number of years with a gay man, I was not a victim; your wife may feel differently. It's more than apparent from this and your other endless stream of posts (and one only has to look back through any number of topics to see just how much time you spend here), that you are an unhappy man for which I am very sorry. However, hiding behind the Bible never solves anything for anyone. I have taught Sunday School for more years than I care to remember, so I am more than familiar with what the Bible says and, more importantly, I know how the Bible has been used against others in the past.

    Why not do something more constructive with your time than posting interminable rants on a homosexual topics?

  • Mon Oct 12, 2009 9:30 pm Agree: 3   Disagree: 7

    I think BabaraK brought ten friends with her to stack
    the thumbs down!

    Amen DP!
    (maybe hman changed his name!)

  • Mon Oct 12, 2009 9:04 pm Agree: 3   Disagree: 9

    "My advice to all of you closeted men is to get on with your life "

    This is called a "shut down" statement where the person playing the victim trys to shut down people who disagree with them. Quite frankly, I do plenty with my day and just pop in and out to carry on the conversation. I have quite a full and busy life and my wife is glad she is married to me (she even tells me once in a while!!!). The "shut down" statement is a generalized statement such as the post the Barb has made and shows a desire to simply shut up those who disagree with her....

  • Mon Oct 12, 2009 9:01 pm Agree: 3   Disagree: 9

    PT. 2

    In fact, the liberal application (which you appear to hold to) says that we should live and let live. "If God really thought it was wrong then he'd strike me dead" sort of thing with little or no respect that God is a person who has told us what was good and what was not.

    It is disappointing that you play the victim here. As I posted earlier:

    Most of the time, when the manipulator casts themselves as a victim, they don't really see themselves as victimized, they just really want the other party to see them as wounded, injured, or suffering in some way in order to elicit sympathy, cloud the picture about just who is the victimizer and who is the victim, and otherwise impression-manage the real victim.
    Dr George Simon, PhD
    http://counsellingresource.com/features/2009/03/16/playing-the-victim/

  • Mon Oct 12, 2009 8:53 pm Agree: 2   Disagree: 8

    Hi, Barb.... Let's look at them one at a time:

    "1. about a hand full of people are obsessed with homosexuality and spend what must be untold hours posting sheer nonsense against it."

    As a strong rule, the subject of homosexuality gets much attention because pro-gay people come here looking for a fight and trying to force their "gay translation" of the Bible on the rest of us.

    "2. that this same handful of people are merely posers as Christian and seem to use religion as a "beard" to hide their own sick prejudices"

    Christianity has long been the target of sick prejudices where people want to play the victim because they don't wan to answer to God let alone anyone else. They want to do what they want to do and how dare anyone "force" anything on them. Meanwhile, they are forcing themselves and their opinion on us.

    "3. and that these same people have some weird and warped agenda to force their dysfunctional and corrupted view of Christianity on anyone who comes here."

    The 60s brought about a change in our society where people can live like Peter Pan and think they don't have to grow up and accept responsibility (especially where God is concerned). Christianity is about dying to self and living the life that Jesus laid down. The corrupt view of Christianity is that we get heaven and we can live like we want. It has created a dysfuntional church where people live for themselves instead of loving their neighbors as themselves. It's all about them and what they think is right instead of looking to the Bible.

  • Mon Oct 12, 2009 7:17 pm Agree: 14   Disagree: 3

    After an hour or so of reading the posts on this site, it has become apparent that:

    1. about a hand full of people are obsessed with homosexuality and spend what must be untold hours posting sheer nonsense against it.

    2. that this same handful of people are merely posers as Christian and seem to use religion as a "beard" to hide their own sick prejudices

    3. and that these same people have some weird and warped agenda to force their dysfunctional and corrupted view of Christianity on anyone who comes here.

    Well, let me make this crystal clear to all of you. I don't accept distorted Biblical philosophy used solely to harm any group and I am not interested in what appear to be endless rants by people who so obviously have personal issues with their own sexuality. I was married to a gay man for a number of years, who like many on here, was in denial of his homosexuality. I can see that there are several prolific posters here who are in the same position and while they claim to be married it is more than obvious that they are marriages of convenience. It, therefore, becomes comical that these same men condemn other people's marriages when theirs are merely a sham.

    My advice to all of you closeted men is to get on with your life and accept who you are like my husband did. We are both MUCH happier and have remained good friends. I'm sure your wives will eventually appreciate your choice as well. And quit spend so much time reading and posting about homosexuality for the sole purpose of condemning it. You are still gay and nothing will change that.

  • Mon Oct 12, 2009 3:01 pm Agree: 4   Disagree: 12

    Based on all the thumbs down that I received from posting Proverbs 3: 32-33, there are a lot of perverse people.


    Proverbs 3

    32 For the perverse are an abomination [extremely disgusting and detestable] to the Lord; but His confidential communion and secret counsel are with the [uncompromisingly] righteous (those who are upright and in right standing with Him).

    33 The curse of the Lord is in and on the house of the wicked, but He declares blessed (joyful and favored with blessings) the home of the just and consistently righteous.

  • Mon Oct 12, 2009 2:30 pm Agree: 3   Disagree: 7

    So, 8 people think it IS our responsibility to stand in their way???

  • Sun Oct 11, 2009 5:37 pm Agree: 6   Disagree: 14

    "Well, actually it's not that odd."

    Our responsibility is to warn them about the cliff that awaits them on their path. It is NOT to stand in front of them and try to stop them from going over....

  • Sun Oct 11, 2009 10:49 am Agree: 9   Disagree: 16

    Well, actually it's not that odd. The ploy of many sinners trying to justify their sin is to say that God told them it was okay. It eases their conscience. Unfortunately, only until judgement day.

  • Sun Oct 11, 2009 10:48 am Agree: 8   Disagree: 16

    I think it's odd that homosexual man continues to live in sin, and claims that he "hears the Holy Spirit", and it tells him it's "okay" to live in sin.

    Just because you hear things, doesn't mean it's God. If it doesn't line up with the Word of God, then rest assured that it's not Him.

  • Sat Oct 10, 2009 9:37 pm Agree: 8   Disagree: 16

    Proverbs 3

    32 For the perverse are an abomination [extremely disgusting and detestable] to the Lord; but His confidential communion and secret counsel are with the [uncompromisingly] righteous (those who are upright and in right standing with Him).

    33 The curse of the Lord is in and on the house of the wicked, but He declares blessed (joyful and favored with blessings) the home of the just and consistently righteous.

  • Sat Oct 10, 2009 6:14 pm Agree: 7   Disagree: 13

    "Daniel, your opinion is consistent with your opinion."

    Why thank you! Christians are called to be consistent in what they say.... :D

  • Sat Oct 10, 2009 6:13 pm Agree: 13   Disagree: 4

    Daniel, all you are saying is that your opinion is consistent with your opinion.

    Of *course* your opinion is consistent with your opinion.

  • Sat Oct 10, 2009 5:25 pm Agree: 6   Disagree: 11

    Trust me and the others HM...it isn't the Holy Spirit "revealing" anything to you. How do we know? Simple...the Holy Spirit is consistant. The Bible is inspired by God through the Holy Spirit. You have said the Bible is filled with inconsistancies. Therefore, you believe the Holy Spirit to be inconsistant.

    The Holy Spirit has ALWAYS been consistant with everything He has ever revealed to me. It is consistant with the Bible and with what is going on around me. The proof is in the fruit and your posts are just fruit cake....

  • Sat Oct 10, 2009 12:06 pm Agree: 6   Disagree: 2

    Flagged as inappropriate. show Hman, You reveal much by joking about hell. It's not good. hide

  • Sat Oct 10, 2009 10:21 am Agree: 12   Disagree: 8

    Flagged as inappropriate. show I'm just bawling my eyes out about poor Daniel going to Hell. Everybody have a great day!! Especially you Daniel, because you're going to Hell! ;_; ;_; ;_; hide

  • Sat Oct 10, 2009 10:21 am Agree: 12   Disagree: 8

    Flagged as inappropriate. show Daniel, the Holy Spirit does reveal the truth to me, but you call it an "unclean spirit." Therefore you have blasphemed the Holy Spirit. We have it in writing. It's so sad! This is why you can't understand anything. Unfortunately, it also means that no matter what you do from now on, you can never be saved. You are going to burn in Hell for all eternity because you took it upon yourself to say that the Holy Spirit is unclean. It's so sad! ;_; ;_; hide

  • Fri Oct 09, 2009 7:13 pm Agree: 6   Disagree: 13

    You got that right, believer.

    HM...here's the problem with your understanding:

    Luk 2:26 And it was revealed unto him by the Holy Ghost, that he should not see death, before he had seen the Lord's Christ.

    Truth is revealed by the Holy Ghost (Spirit). You have blasphemed the Holy Spirit so He isn't telling you squat. You have been stubling around in the dark ever since you started posting here. You have to have the Holy Spirit reveal the truth to you for you to understand....

  • Fri Oct 09, 2009 7:10 pm Agree: 2   Disagree: 6

    gguy, thanks again and have a great weekend as well!!

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Struggling to succeed in the Nashville music scene, talented singer/songwriter Parker James finds the competition fierce even deadly. A young woman's murder, industry corruption, a