Shawn Ryan, Tucker Carlson discuss Satan, UFOs, revival: ‘All this stuff is spiritual’

2. Spiritual basis for UFO phenomena: ‘All this stuff is spiritual’

While discussing the possibility of anti-gravity propulsion technology and the potential existence of UFOs or unidentified aerial phenomena (UAPs), Ryan expressed skepticism about extraterrestrial explanations, instead attributing such phenomena to spiritual forces.

“I think all this stuff is spiritual,” he told Carlson, suggesting that the UFO narrative might be a distraction or a controlled operation with a deeper spiritual component at play.

“I think that all this alien extraterrestrial s---, I mean ... It's fun to dig down there, but I mean, I think it's a big distraction. I don't know if it's meant to be some type of a controlled psy-op, but I think all this stuff is spiritual. That's what I think,” he said, to which Carlson replied, “Of course it is.”

Carlson himself has been increasingly outspoken about his opinion that UFO-related phenomena are potentially demonic. During an interview with podcaster Joe Rogan last year, he said he eventually decided to stop studying the subject because he realized it was "dark."

One aspect of the evil surrounding UFOs is that the topic is shrouded in secrecy and deception, Carlson said at the time. Another is that if such entities are related to the spiritual realm, they are necessarily on “team good or team bad,” which led Carlson to believe at least some of them are bad.

"If the U.S. government knows that — or people within the U.S. government know that — then they're serving a bad force," he said.

He claimed to have learned during his research that the government has evidence that UFOs — also known as Unidentified Aerial Phenomena or "UAPs" — are able to defy the laws of physics as we understand them, and that they also seemingly emerge not from outer space, but from underwater or underground.