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My response to Mackenzie Morgan calling out Hillsong, Bethel and Elevation

Bethel Music performs at an Open Heaven's conference in Redding, California, 2018.
Bethel Music performs at an Open Heaven's conference in Redding, California, 2018. | (Photo: Bethel Church)

I appreciate Mackenzie Morgan‘s boldness to stand against wishy-washy churches in this article titled, Worship leader no longer supports Hillsong, Elevation, Bethel Music over ‘false gospel message’. More and more churches may be following suit regarding her stance. But I also think it’s important to ask some additional questions.

For example, "Is it possible to not endorse or agree with (such-and-such church) but still listen to their worship in a corporate setting?" First, I want to be clear that my position has never been “I don’t care what the roots are; I’m playing their music.” I myself am in the process of evaluating this.

I recently preached a sermon series on revival. Bryan and Katie Torwalt led worship during one of the messages, and Kim Walker Smith during another one. To view the controversial services that sparked this article, click here and here. Then let us know your thoughts. Were the services God-honoring? Were the lyrics theologically sound? Were the messages biblically accurate? Could there be abundant fruit?

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Just for the sake of reference, I use the MacArthur Study Bible, read the Puritans, and love any preaching from Lloyd-Jones, Spurgeon, and the like. I’m not endorsing and promoting Bethel. I have concerns too. I understand that playing a church’s music (in a sense) can be viewed as promoting them. I get that. But there is a huge difference between direct promotion and indirect promotion, because we have to legally acknowledge the source of the songs for licensing reasons.

With that said, I’ve put forth a few questions and answers that may offer clarity:

1. How inconsistent should a group be before we completely discontinue their worship? Should we eliminate all songs because we disagree with some of what their pastors teach? Yes and no. What if the worship leaders are solid in their walk with the Lord? It all depends on the severity of their error. Some people draw the line in the sand much quicker when it comes to removing their music, while others are not there yet. 

2. Have I done my due diligence in investigating these bands? The problem is that there are many conflicting reports. I know people who attend Bethel who say the opposite of those who condemn it. For example, Bethel’s leadership condemns grave-sucking here, but people still say that they teach it. Yes, I have seen the picture of lead pastor Bill Johnson’s wife near a grave, but pictures don’t always tell the whole story. You wouldn’t believe the amount of heresy hunters I heard from when I released this picture.

But, with that said, I have also heard Bill Johnson say things that he needs to clarify. I talked to Bethel Communications for over an hour in 2019. They said they were releasing short clips explaining the controversies, and they have finally begun that process here.

I haven't had a chance to listen yet, but knowing people like Kim Walker Smith and Sean Feucht (who are solid), I would hate to throw the baby out with the bathwater just because they were once leading worship at Bethel. 

Since I have often been misrepresented, I appreciate those who try to hear both sides. It is good to be concerned, and lovingly rebuke churches such as the ones mentioned above. At the same time, we should consider the heart of the worship leader who is writing and leading the songs. For example, any idea on who wrote this: “So much heresy is running rampant in the church because we’re not clearly preaching the reality of eternal judgment, the reality of heaven and hell, or the frequent commands concerning holiness, godliness, purity and true Jesus apprenticeship”? That would be Jeremy Riddle, worship leader at Bethel, who wrote that on April 10, 2020, on his Facebook page. In case you missed it, that’s a powerful declaration of sound doctrine.

Emotional worship is a stumbling block for many

While not true of everyone, the vast majority of those who have issues with this music seem to disdain emotional worship, and are often not open to what is referred to as revival. They don’t like to sing “Let It Rain” because they don’t want to get wet.

I stand in awe of how many famous conservative pastors quote George Whitefield yet fail to acknowledge the alleged oddities that happened under his preaching. The same is true of Jonathan Edwards and others who ushered in great moves of the Spirit. Now, with that said, I am not validating questionable ministries. I have similar concerns as many of the critics. It is interesting, however, that those who mock are often the same people who would (and do) mock a genuine move of God’s Spirit.

Most of these worship groups are young and need theological grounding. Perhaps the young musicians in some of these bands just need believers who are spiritually mature reaching out to them, rather than calling them heretical.

My big concern for many of us is found in Revelation 2:2-5 (NIV): “I know your deeds, your hard work and your perseverance. I know that you cannot tolerate wicked people, that you have tested those who claim to be apostles but are not, and have found them false.” Jesus continues, “Yet I hold this against you: You have forsaken the love you had at first. Consider how far you have fallen! Repent and do the things you did at first. If you do not repent, I will come to you and remove your lampstand from its place.”

Could it be that the very thing we need (and that Hillsong, Bethel, and Elevation need) is the very thing we are running from, which is a revival and a powerful move of God’s Spirit via brokenness, humility, and repentance?

Pastor Shane Idleman Interviews Kim Walker Smith

Shane Idleman is the founder and lead pastor of Westside Christian Fellowship in Lancaster, California, just North of Los Angeles. Shane's sermons, articles, books, and radio program can all be found at or He is the author of Feasting & Fasting, If My People, Desperate for More of God, and Help! I'm Addicted. Follow him on Facebook at: You can also follow Pastor Shane on the new free speech platform Parler

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